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Posted on 21-Sep-2004 12:43 GMT by ece18 comments
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An internal AmigaOS4 native release has been made of AWeb3.5 APL Beta. It doesn't work too well yet, but good speed has been reported.

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AWeb progress : Comment 1 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 21-Sep-2004 11:56 GMT
>It doesn't work too well yet, but good speed has been reported.

Just like Voyager 68k =)
AWeb progress : Comment 2 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen (217.157.121.71) on 21-Sep-2004 13:40 GMT
Sorry, I changed the wording a bit in the news item on our site: It seems to perform with good speed on those with OS4 newer than prerelease. Prerelease owners may not notice much difference.

This seems to be because of clib2 optimizations contained in the OS4 updates.

Regards,
Henrik Mikael Kristensen
AWeb Development Team
AWeb progress : Comment 3 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden (217.84.164.117) on 21-Sep-2004 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
> This seems to be because of clib2 optimizations contained in the OS4 updates.

The newer clib2 is available on sf.net
AWeb progress : Comment 4 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 21-Sep-2004 15:59 GMT
Good news,
AWeb progress : Comment 5 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 21-Sep-2004 16:27 GMT
AWeb Team, please, write a usable makfile/build system :-))

You current source tarball even requiere some funky make version...
The one from bigfoot is a lot of better.

Anyway, good luck :-)
AWeb progress : Comment 6 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 21-Sep-2004 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Can't agree more
AWeb progress : Comment 7 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 21-Sep-2004 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
> AWeb Team, please, write a usable makfile/build system :-))
>
> You current source tarball even requiere some funky make version...

It's named progress! :-D
AWeb progress : Comment 8 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 21-Sep-2004 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Kjetil):
> Can't agree more

So, let's see, what do you propose, and what are the flaws you find in the current system? I'm open to suggestions.
AWeb progress : Comment 9 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 21-Sep-2004 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Fabio Alemagna):
Too "Unix-like", doesn't pass the 5th line here...

What about make a proper make file for each OS: AmigaOS 3, Aros,
MorphOS...
AWeb progress : Comment 10 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.213.187.101) on 21-Sep-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
and don't forget AmigaOS40
AWeb progress : Comment 11 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (168.143.113.138) on 21-Sep-2004 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Well, in my opinion, OS4 should never have been:

But, in the end, some people are using it, even if they are mistaken, they probably deserve a decent browser...

So good luck to the AWeb team, maybe they could produce one for all Amiga-like systems.

Bye
AWeb progress : Comment 12 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by AmigaOS40 (80.213.187.101) on 21-Sep-2004 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Fabio Alemagna):
Older version of make reports infinity looping some where in the make script,
and new make program found on some where behind closed door is so hard to come by that it can even be found on freshmeat.net the Linux site for i686 computers, I propose rewriting the makefile so it don't use that fancy stuff,
AWeb progress : Comment 13 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 21-Sep-2004 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
> Too "Unix-like", doesn't pass the 5th line here...

It works fine under AmigaOS with ixemul installed. In any case, it's meant to be "portable" across environments and even compilers. If you look at the various Makefule.tubs, you'll see that they simply declare what needs to be huilt, how the things are built is specified in the "engine". Currently the engine is unix-centric in that it requires a sh-like shell and a couple of typical unix tools, but that can be changed and will change.

> What about make a proper make file for each OS: AmigaOS 3, Aros,
> MorphOS...

They would be a mess to mantain. This way you only have to differentiate the engine, not write all makefiles for all modules and all architectures. Moreover, the current system offers some nice features which wouldn't be available if you were using recursively called makefiles.
AWeb progress : Comment 14 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 21-Sep-2004 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (AmigaOS40):
> Older version of make reports infinity looping some where in the make script,

It requires make 3.80, theoretically, which is the latest make release, however due to some bugs in that release, you need at least make 3.81, which is found in Make's CVS.

For your convenience, the binaries are put on AWeb's web page as well, and Andy compiled a version for AOS4 without too many problems.

> and new make program found on some where behind closed door is so hard to come
> by that it can even be found on freshmeat.net the Linux site for i686
> computers, I propose rewriting the makefile so it don't use that fancy stuff,

The fancy stuff is what makes this system unique and useful at all. I don't think it's a wise idea to make it worse just because someone is too lazy to use the right tool for it :-) As said, download the binary from the AWeb page, or the sources from the Make CVS.
AWeb progress : Comment 15 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas DET (81.53.70.154) on 22-Sep-2004 06:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Fabio Alemagna):
'lo Fabio

Are the OS4 changes inside the current tarball (21/09) ??

Bye
AWeb progress : Comment 16 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 22-Sep-2004 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Nicolas DET):
> Are the OS4 changes inside the current tarball (21/09) ??

Not yet.
AWeb progress : Comment 17 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén (194.174.65.18) on 22-Sep-2004 11:42 GMT
"An internal AmigaOS4 native release has been made of AWeb3.5 APL Beta. It doesn't work too well yet, but good speed has been reported."

Translation: "It's crashing fast".
AWeb progress : Comment 18 of 18ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna (Registered user) on 22-Sep-2004 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Lennart Fridén):
Well, so much for AOS4 source compatibility ;-)
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