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[Events] The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in FinlandANN.lu
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Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

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The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland

TAMPERE, FINLAND - September 23st, 2004 - Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta.

Encouraged by the recent technological advances within the extended Amiga community, the Finnish Amiga Users Group is once again excited to showcase the latest progress. Colour blind since its inception, the Finnish Amiga Users Group welcomes everyone - and attendance is free as usual. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

Also attending is Finnish Amiga retailer Gentle Eye Ky. Welcome!

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-kšyttšjšt ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to supporting Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku. For more information, see http://saku.amigafin.org.

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 1 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 23-Sep-2004 05:08 GMT
Finally a chance to see the shit with my own eyes and not only rely what others say.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 2 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT (Registered user) on 23-Sep-2004 05:09 GMT
It would be great to be there... sadly Finland is a far away from here :-(

I hope people who goes there give us nice reports ;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 3 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 23-Sep-2004 05:33 GMT
I wish I had known this a bit earlier, its only a couple of days away now ...

To you who go there - remember to bring cameras, and VIDEO cameras!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 4 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 23-Sep-2004 05:46 GMT
I will take digicam with me and try to put pictures online during saturday. Will post the url here when the time is right.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 5 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon (212.104.156.42) on 23-Sep-2004 05:52 GMT
Cool! I'd love to see the latest betas next to each other... good luck with the show guys!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 6 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.67) on 23-Sep-2004 06:50 GMT
"Color blind", thats nice, thats the way it should be, not like the
KKK Amiga chaps here in Sweden.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 7 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice (67.68.20.210) on 23-Sep-2004 07:14 GMT
Please take a lot of pics!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 8 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (80.58.2.236) on 23-Sep-2004 09:42 GMT
Yes, and not pr0n pics, we have a lot of those on our HDD!

Pics about the event, OS4, MorphOS and others! And if possible high quality divx/xvid videos of "both worlds"...
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 9 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by TheToon (216.240.0.27) on 23-Sep-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (hooligan/dcs):
Hi Hooligan, try to get some good CLEAR photos of OS 4 and MorphOS 1.5. Especially the MOS 1.5 ones...the only ones available now are very grainy!

Thanks!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 10 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 23-Sep-2004 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (TheToon):
Don't worry. I am half badder and bigger than Piru The Coder-Nerd .. he can't stop me taking good close ups even if he wanted to =)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 11 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh (195.148.82.17) on 23-Sep-2004 11:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
shit ?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 12 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 23-Sep-2004 12:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (miksuh):
Shit = situation, which is better, OS4b or MOSb
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 13 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (195.148.82.17) on 23-Sep-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (hooligan/dcs):
ah ok :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 14 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh (195.148.82.17) on 23-Sep-2004 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (hooligan/dcs):
ah ok :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 15 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Jon (82.128.190.115) on 23-Sep-2004 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (hooligan/dcs):
Beware! He might climb on the table again!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 16 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Tronman (69.29.223.2) on 24-Sep-2004 04:14 GMT
Kind of a downer for us in the USA who can't afford to fly to Finland :-( But, I'm sure it'll be great to see both products head to head, with no middleman and no BS :-)

Looking forward to the pics and words!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 17 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 24-Sep-2004 04:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Tronman):
Well.. Feeling is mutual.. During years there have been many great events I would have liked to attend, for example Commodore DevCons.. But :-(
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 18 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (213.225.65.74) on 24-Sep-2004 04:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (hooligan/dcs):
Itís not like you are can compare them equally yet, OS40 continues to be unfinished work, there are several components not present in the present beta if Iím not mistaken,

I donít know a lot about whatís missing in the MorphOS version I know, it has powerup worpup support, and I donít think the present AmigaOS beta has this, even if they are listed in the final feature list,

You canít really compare them on software titles ether as there MorphOS has bin around longer then AmigaOS, and even so I think number of developers invested in this platforms are about equal,

I think you need to wait until AmigaOS4.0 is finished to compare it whit any thing else.
I think what it really boils down to is what you like,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 19 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Johan (213.112.198.98) on 24-Sep-2004 05:09 GMT
Well, allthought MorphOS have been available to the public longer non of them are final versions.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 20 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 05:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Kjetil):
Ok now you got me confused. The update for OS4b should be out very soon (it's even being tested if I recall?) and it must be close to final product when it comes to overal usage. Sure it may be missing some details but I don't think they are not so important when doing comparison, as MorphOS is also lacking in some promised issues.
It's soon 2005... if it's really true what you say, that one can't compare latest OS4b against MOS1.5b then I am very sorry for you guys. That will mean you guys won't get the final product for a long long time.

In fact, I am expecting OS4 at this stage being _AHEAD_ MorphOS, especially now that MOS developement has (apparently) slowed down.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 21 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Kjetil):
> Itís not like you are can compare them equally yet

Of course you can! They are both work in progress, and comparing "the latest betas" of the two is a good way to see the state they are in at this particular point. A very interesting comparison IMHO.

> OS40 continues to be unfinished work

MorphOS is also a work in progress you know, even though the latest public release doesn't lack as many important components as the latest public release of the OS4 did (the pre-release).

> there are several components not present in the present beta if Iím not
> mistaken

I would at least expect the "OS4 beta" to ship with all necessary drivers for peripheral devices, I would expect lots of things to have migrated to PPC especially the P96 and all the other things that made the "pre-release" so unbearably slow, I would expect improvements in the 68k emulator, I would expect improvements in the TCP/IP stack and network drivers (I have not been able to get it working satisfactory at all), and last but not least, I would expect wheel-mouse support (a small thing to ask for perhaps, but a real annoyance to live without). Those are all very basic things that really should have been in the pre-release from the beginning.

It would be really nice if they also managed to ship it with PowerUP and WarpUP support, as well as the JIT emulator, and if they manage to get those things so seamlessly and transparantly integrated into the OS as they are in MorphOS. However, I believe that the chance of that happening at *this point* is close to zero.

> You canít really compare them on software titles ether as there MorphOS has
> bin around longer then AmigaOS

Both OS's are currently in development, and *of course* you can compare the current state in which they both are right now. And that is interesting!

> I think you need to wait until AmigaOS4.0 is finished to compare it whit any
> thing else.

And when is an OS finished? When development stops? Isn't that more equal to "death" than "finished"? IMHO, an OS that is still being actively developed is never really "finished", so what you may compare is different public releases and, as in this case, current betas, which should reflect the current state of the OS's pretty well ...
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 22 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (hooligan/dcs):
> Ok now you got me confused. The update for OS4b should be out very soon (it's
> even being tested if I recall?) and it must be close to final product when it
> comes to overal usage.

This sounds like a reasonable conclusion IMHO.

Perhaps I am wrong in this, but from what I have understood based on the public info I have read, we should see the following public releases:

"OS4 pre-release" -> "OS4 beta" (the update coming real soon now TM) -> "OS4 Final"
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 23 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 06:59 GMT
To the Finnish Amiga Computing Group (or any other visitors of this event), please consider using a gadget like this one together with your video camera:

http://www.deltaco.se/info/tv-8c.pdf

I have one of those myself. It sits in between the monitor and GFX card, and it has both composite video out and S-video out. It connects very nicely to any digital video camera equiped with a s-video in connector, which makes it perfect for recording anything that happens on the computer screen in a digital, editable, format. It even records the firmware output etc.

I'm saying this because I think it would be really nice to have some videos from the current states of the two OS's put on-line after this event ...

:-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 24 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 24-Sep-2004 08:04 GMT
To compare or not to compare...

AOS4beta should be compared to equally young version of MOS.
But then again... MOS has been in development since at least 1999, AOS4 since 2002, but AOS4 takes advantage of AOS legacy codes and binaries form early nineties. It ought to make things more even.

On the other hand, AOS is developed differently than MOS. MOS is built from the ground (all parts are very modern, there is no legacy at all) while AOS work is being done by replacing/updating existing code (taking advantage of existing features).

I personally am (just) going to enjoy of seeing two new generation AmigalikeOSs.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 25 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 24-Sep-2004 08:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (priest):
In the end.. Those who want will compare.. and those who don't don't.. Simple.

Imho it's good that people have chance to see them both with their own eyes. Both systems have tradeoffs and unfinished areas. For user, question remains what he/she needs right here/now. Both sides have made a lot promices about upcoming features but with development budgets like these, it'll take time.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 26 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (62.131.178.212) on 24-Sep-2004 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (priest):
@ priest

> MOS has been in development since at least 1999

The MorphOS project started early 1998 according to Ralph Schmidt and I believe it should be noted that large portions of AROS have been used for MorphOS and so deserve credit for it too. The AROS project was started late 1995 / early 1996 by Aaron Digulla.

IMO both projects (AOS4/MOS) can be compared to some extend and in some areas like Grim Reaper, gbd debugging, kernel funtionalities, etc IMO AmigaOS4 is already clearly in the lead. With regard to some higher level components and especially eye-candy a comparison may IMO still be too early as the paint & polish usually comes last.

MikeB (Christian did you ever receive my email?)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 27 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 24-Sep-2004 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
" IMO both projects (AOS4/MOS) can be compared to some extend and in some areas like Grim Reaper, gbd debugging, kernel funtionalities, etc IMO AmigaOS4 is already clearly in the lead."

Right and on things like WUP/PUP legacy support it's clearly behind.

btw. I expect that there is Grim Reaper equivalent and debugging tools on MOS1.5b, they have had one year to catch up on that front...
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 28 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 10:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (priest):
The best thing is, tomorrow we will know ;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 29 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (JoannaK):
> In the end.. Those who want will compare.. and those who don't don't.. Simple.

Exactly!

And priest - *I could not care the less* about "how fast" each of the two has reached a certain point of development in the past, I find that to be extremely un-interesting, the only thing that I find relevant is at what the OS's offers right here, right now!

Besides, comparing "how fast" they reached a certain stage in development would only have been relevant if they followed the same development path, but these are different products, with different designs and goals.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 30 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
@ Mike Bouma(?)

> IMO both projects (AOS4/MOS) can be compared to some extend and in some areas
> like Grim Reaper, gbd debugging, kernel funtionalities, etc IMO AmigaOS4 is
> already clearly in the lead.

Be aware that choosing *a different approach* when it comes to certain things are not the same thing as "lagging behind".
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 31 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 12:43 GMT
Intergated Petunia will be shown aswell I think... or...? I remember when I first got MOS1.3, even if the 68k emulation felt fast it could have done so much more. I couldn't believe my eyes when I first tried MOS1.4 with Trance... 68k emulation IS important, and will be for a long time to come too.

Cinema4D is pure joy to use on G4@1000mhz using Trance =)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 32 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (hooligan/dcs):
Ok now you got me confused. The update for OS4b should be out very soon (it's even being tested if I recall?) and it must be close to final product when it comes to overall usage. Sure it may be missing some details but I don't think they are not so important when doing comparison, as MorphOS is also lacking in some promised issues.
It's soon 2005... if it's really true what you say, that one can't compare latest OS4b against MOS1.5b then I am very sorry for you guys. That will mean you guys won't get the final product for a long long time.


I the driver issue is clearly a place where I be where surprised if AmigaOS is a head of MorphOS,
(I'm not taking about gfx drivers,) I'm think about usb/pci drivers,

In fact, I am expecting OS4 at this stage being _AHEAD_ MorphOS, especially now that MOS development has (apparently) slowed down.

I Think is quite normal for project to slow down when you have filled the basic needs,
MorphOS has bin under development for quite some time, MorphOS design goals are maybe not as bold as AmigaOS when it comes to redesigning and improvements (stack enlargement, true VM, debugger, new API interface model), on the other hand drivers / software and compatibility is most-likely one of the places where MorphOS is expected to be a head,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 33 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg (192.223.243.6) on 24-Sep-2004 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
Intergated Petunia will be shown aswell I think... or...?

A chap called Tennessee Williams wrote a play called "The Case of the Crushed Petunias"; it is a little whimsical, but the plot centres around a woman who is liberated from her self-imposed stifling isolation by a stranger who crushes her flower beds.

Of course, Mr. Williams was just another blue troll...

Gregg
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 34 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by itix (130.234.189.82) on 24-Sep-2004 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Kjetil):
"when it comes to redesigning and improvements (stack enlargement, true VM, debugger, new API interface model)" Btw., if interface stuff was really needed it could be implemented in any given day. There is spare function slot (offset -24) in every library which could be used to implement interfaces. OTOH you can implement similar methods into _new_ libraries just by adding your own GetFunctionTable() entry... (interface == simple jumptable)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 35 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Gregg):
I didn't understand much of your post.. but lets make it 'integrated' instead of 'intergated' shall we
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 36 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 24-Sep-2004 14:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Kjetil):
"MorphOS design goals are maybe not as bold as AmigaOS when it comes to redesigning and improvements"

Ahem ...

"MorphOS/Quark has the following basic design goals

High Super/Usermode switch speed
Low interrupt latency
IntThreads and Int PCode abstraction
Memory protection
Symmetrical multi processing (SMP)
Task/Thread and Clan/Chief model
Resource tracking
Asynchronous message system
Virtual memory (optional)
Recursive Memory Management
Distributed computing
No access to Kernel structures
Clean design with an elegant API
Micro/pico kernel mixture"

;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 37 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (itix):
"when it comes to redesigning and improvements (stack enlargement, true VM, debugger, new API interface model)"

Btw., if interface stuff was really needed it could be implemented in any given day. There is spare function slot (offset -24) in every library which could be used to implement interfaces. OTOH you can implement similar methods into _new_ libraries just by adding your own GetFunctionTable() entry... (interface == simple jumptable)

well this is what I where thinking until I started developing for the OS, interfaced contains classes of functions whit in a library, it not directly related to JUMP table as we are used to, one library can have many interfaces,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 38 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
High Super/Usermode switch speed
Same gold for OS40

Low interrupt latency
Most OS will try to get low latency it's a gold for any OS.

IntThreads and Int PCode abstraction
Rouge did make a library contains threads just recently.

Memory protection
New memory design in use in the new beta

Symmetrical multi processing (SMP)
Target for OS4.1/4.2

Task/Thread and Clan/Chief model
Rouge did make a library contains threads just recently,
long therm gold is to make a clean one.

Resource tracking
Exists in the current AmigaOS40

Asynchronous message system
AmigaOS Is using Asynchronous message system,
and it's quite old

Virtual memory (optional)
Optional swap disk for AmigaOS40,
Virtual memory not optional.

Recursive Memory Management
Advanced memory management for OS40

Distributed computing
samba

No access to Kernel structures
Same for OS40

Clean design with an elegant API
better/faster API for OS40

Micro/pico kernel mixture"
NO need waste of resources.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 39 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos (217.255.215.158) on 24-Sep-2004 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kjetil):
and you still haven't found a single clue.....
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 40 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kronos):
Defending your MorphOS whit insults as you allays do, you know what if ANN.LU did have a login system you be ban'ed I'm quite shore.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 41 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 24-Sep-2004 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kjetil):
Kjetil, YOU said that "MorphOS design goals are maybe not as bold as AmigaOS when it comes to redesigning and improvements", and yet you feel the need to "defend" OS4 in this regard! Hehe ...

That aside, several of your points in that post are nothing but hillarious! Really, you ARE clueless and that is not an insult, its a fact! :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 42 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (82.141.49.211) on 24-Sep-2004 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kjetil):
>>High Super/Usermode switch speed
>Same gold for OS40

>>Low interrupt latency
>Most OS will try to get low latency it's a gold for any OS.

You put your finger up your nose and found gold? :-D
Sorry, but you seem to be as clueless as always.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 43 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 17:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
calling some one clues less whit out arguments to back them up is an insult an personal attack if you will,
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 44 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil (80.213.187.101) on 24-Sep-2004 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
>>High Super/Usermode switch speed
>Same gold for OS40

I'm clue less? supervisor and usermode is a part of AmigaOS from the 3.x area, it not multiuser or some thing new, Superviceor mode is used to configure system resources you can not under user-mode,

Simply recompiling 68k legacy kernel to PPC improves kernel speed, so yes there is speed up, so I'm clue less?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 45 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris (212.59.0.29) on 24-Sep-2004 17:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Kjetil):
You are right, samba is distributed computing, micro/pico kernel design wastes resources, OS4 api has clean and elegant library interface design, virtual memory is in OS4, resource tracking is in OS4, memory protection is there too, grim reaper is the key to stable system. You rule!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 46 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 24-Sep-2004 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (brotheris):
:-D
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 47 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 24-Sep-2004 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Kjetil):
You did it again! Pleas Kjetil, don't stop! :-D
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 48 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Joe (62.252.192.12) on 24-Sep-2004 19:12 GMT
You need a crappy buggy motherboard what costs 1000 bucks to run OS4, that alone has lost Hyperion/Eyetech sales. It does not matter if OS4 is feature rich or not because at the end of the day Amiga fans like myself will not justify buying junk to run it.

Eyetech please wake up.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 49 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 24-Sep-2004 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Joe):
Is the reason for the A1 costing so much is because part of the profits from sales of it are going towards OS4 development?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 50 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Dieter Nuhr (217.226.25.35) on 25-Sep-2004 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kjetil):
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