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[Events] The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in FinlandANN.lu
Posted on 23-Sep-2004 06:42 GMT by saku174 comments
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Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

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The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland

TAMPERE, FINLAND - September 23st, 2004 - Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta.

Encouraged by the recent technological advances within the extended Amiga community, the Finnish Amiga Users Group is once again excited to showcase the latest progress. Colour blind since its inception, the Finnish Amiga Users Group welcomes everyone - and attendance is free as usual. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

Also attending is Finnish Amiga retailer Gentle Eye Ky. Welcome!

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-käyttäjät ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to supporting Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku. For more information, see http://saku.amigafin.org.

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 151 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Sep-2004 10:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (hooligan/dcs):
Not at all I just hope the platform is success full and I hope it can be compared on the on it own right, look I don't have nothing against any one using MorphOS, you know what think about MorphOS as product, so I'm not going to say it, all this tolling kind of annoys me so removed all my links to ann.lu from my web page, ;-)


any way your called a MorphOS fanatic on www.amigaworld.net ;-)

get a clue
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 152 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 26-Sep-2004 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Kjetil):
I don't know where all this is coming from as far as this thread is concerned. Both MOS and OS4 were given equal opportunity to be displayed (in fact, OS4 ran on two machines and MOS on one) and presented. The event and its aftermath was, to put it simply, quite balanced in my opinion. And IMHO both systems worked great and were displayed to their benefit. It gave us a good idea of "what is done" at the moment for each of the operating systems.

It seems to me that perhaps you are reading this thread through unnecessarily cynical eyes.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 153 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 26-Sep-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 113 (Kjetil):
"I don't get the version number on MorphOS, 1.0 did not contain the full feature list"

I don't remember Workbench 1.0 being feature-packed and bug-free either, or Windows 1.0, for that matter.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 154 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 26-Sep-2004 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 151 (Kjetil):
>any way your called a MorphOS fanatic on www.amigaworld.net ;-)

Well you can tell Paul that of course I would have taken more pictures if there was something to take photos of. The fact that there are only three pictures has got nothing to do with me being unfair towards OS4, if I wanted to be unfair I would have not put any pics of OS4 online.

In fact the whole comment is very amusing as the pictures Densho took (can be found in the very same thread) are just as informative as mine.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 155 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 26-Sep-2004 22:43 GMT
It was much fun to be @ the show.

I was surpriced by the stability of AOS4. For MOS I was already sure it has improved since y2002. Speed of AOS4 is good already and it seems the DMA is already stable. (I could buy the machine now, and I would dare to recommend it to some people.)

MOS has been around longer and it shows. MOS had more modern looking icons and the machine had a lot of more stuff to play with. (and I had more time to play with it than with the AOS4 boxes) (time will tell if also Pegasos gets a place @ my new home)

Both seem usable. Difference between AOS4prebeta and AOS4prebetaupdate is far bigger than the difference between MOS1.4.x and 1.5.

Amiga(like) computers are BAAAACK!

I'm looking forward to the time I have time to play with Amigas again and I'm looking forward to the y2005 Saku event, it will ROCK!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 156 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 27-Sep-2004 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (priest):
>Difference between AOS4prebeta and AOS4prebetaupdate is far bigger than the
>difference between MOS1.4.x and 1.5.

Honestly, while I agree with rest of what you say 100 %, that seems a bit stretched. Hyped up, if I may say so. MOS had a lot of new stuff and even though OS4 had greatly advanced too, saying that a "far bigger" difference exists doesn't really ring true to me.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 157 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Chain-Q on 27-Sep-2004 04:36 GMT
My opinion is about the same what i had last week at fYanica Party in Hungary. OS4 showed everything what it could, and they wanted to show even more if they could (eg. JIT, more 3D), while MOS still has a _LOT_ of hidden potential, since developers still did not show us most of the developments since 1.4 (eg. new Ambient, TCP/IP, Radeon 3D in real action), which are known to exist and working. So you compare last night stuff to something that wasn't touched for more than a year.

So while i'm agree that the changes in OS4 are much more visible to the average user, i'd not say MOS development is slowed down, or changes are less significant. This is IMO though, feel free to disagree. :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 158 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 27-Sep-2004 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (Chain-Q):
>OS4 showed everything what it could, and they wanted to show even more if they could

Well, I'm sure OS4 people also have some things in the labs that they could've shown, but chose not to. Otherwise I do agree with you, though.

What we saw is where the systems pretty much stand right now: what is done. MorphOS had TCP/IP but it wasn't demonstrated because there wasn't a working / enough network availability at the event location.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 159 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Sep-2004 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Janne):
>>Difference between AOS4prebeta and AOS4prebetaupdate is far bigger than the
>>difference between MOS1.4.x and 1.5.
>Honestly, while I agree with rest of what you say 100 %, that seems a bit stretched. Hyped up, if I may say so. MOS had a lot of new stuff and even though OS4 had greatly advanced too, saying that a "far bigger" difference exists doesn't really ring true to me.

Perhaps I was not too clear. The "visible to user" changes are very small on MOS1.5 when compared to MOS1.4. I played with 1.4 and watched the people playing with 1.5. Already 1.4 was very usable, fast, stable, PPC native, used DMA etc. and looked already modern (Jupp3 had better looking Ambient than what Piru had, by the way, and it booted faster).
On AOS4 a lot of stuff seems to be gone PPC native in between pb and pbu and IDE DMA has been taken in use, etc.

So, IMO, the total number of changes migh be equall, but not that visible on MOS1.5. I think that when products get's more mature, that's normal development and tells about the advantage that MOS has because it has been longer in active development. I think also Piru said that most of the changes are "under the hood".

(I'm no way hinting that AOS4 is catching up.)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 160 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Chain-Q on 27-Sep-2004 07:54 GMT
"Well, I'm sure OS4 people also have some things in the labs that they could've shown, but chose not to."

Well, according to Almos Rajnai, author of Petunia, who was present at fYanica, they wanted to show JIT, but it's not yet integrated with the static emulation. And this was not the only thing he said, so believe me, i'm not sucking from the thumb what i'm saying. :) As a contrast we were able to see a very early but working port of Freespace, and also a very early but somewhat working 3D(!!!) driver for Radeon. These were versions done on the day before the party. They showed what they have, believe me. :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 161 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 27-Sep-2004 11:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Janne):
"I did not see the DvPlayer, I think... "

That does not mean it was not shopwn, because it's window is open in one of the photos :)

http://deeq.wmhost.com/pix/scene/saku2004/index.php?pic=P1010004.JPG
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 162 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 27-Sep-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (hooligan/dcs):
If you are not interested let others be!!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 163 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 27-Sep-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (miksuh):
From where the hell did you came to a conclusion I am not interested in both products???
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 164 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Sep-2004 12:11 GMT
btw. also C-1 was there. (not working, but still) ;)

(it had also load of cool (and this time cold) peripherals) :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 165 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 27-Sep-2004 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (miksuh):
>That does not mean it was not shopwn, because it's window is open in one of the photos :)

Of course. Actually, I did see it, but didn't know it by name.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 166 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 27-Sep-2004 12:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 162 (miksuh):
>If you are not interested let others be!!

You tell me, miksuh. What on Earth is Kjetil on about? I see no reason for his comments. It was a good and fair presentation of both systems with great atmosphere (psycologically, not air conditioning wise :). Why the cynicism?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 167 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Sep-2004 13:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Janne):
@Janne

There might be several reasons.


But IMO: Both OSs were better than I expected. I would have extreme fun with either one of those OSs. Neither one is perfect, still they both look&feel better than anything I have tried outside Amiga arena. Windows will never catch us now. :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 168 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 27-Sep-2004 13:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (priest):
>Windows will never catch us now. :)

Well, while that's a welcome break from the cynicism, I wouldn't personally take my optimism as far as that... :) But hey, better be positive than negative!

It was a good meeting. Thanks for all who made it so!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 169 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 27-Sep-2004 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Fabio Alemagna):
Maybe because they don't decide in which hardware OS4 runs? They have a contract to develope OS4 for the hardware Amiga Inc/KMOS decides and that's all.

I simply can't believe after all these years you have written so much but have read so little what other people write.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 170 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 27-Sep-2004 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Janne):
We find your lack of faith disturbing, young man! :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 171 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Sep-2004 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darth_X):
In the future the AOS4 price will be on top of the A1 price.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 172 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 27-Sep-2004 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Jon):
=D
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 173 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Sep-2004 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 169 (Crumb // AAT):
>They have a contract to develope OS4 for the hardware Amiga Inc/KMOS decides and that's all.

I thought they were to develop a PPC AmigaOS4 and not "for the Hardware Amiga Inc/KMOS decides".
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 174 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Crumb // AAT on 28-Sep-2004 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 173 (Anonymous):
Then you were wrong.
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