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[Events] Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 showANN.lu
Posted on 29-Sep-2004 10:40 GMT by Stéphane Guillard427 comments
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The html pages I made available was only a starter slideshow for my presentation. Here are a few words about what I shown, and what I said. Hi Gentlemen,

The html pages which are available at my site are just an introduction slideshow that I presented as a starter, it does not relate what I shown and said afterwards. Please find below a couple of notes about my presentation at Alchimie show.

Here is a quick summary of the presentation I did :

- I booted with boot delays set to 1 second for UBoot and for SLB (second level booter), thus less than 20 seconds after power on, we were with a fully loaded Workbench with Amidock.

- I started with the small html slideshow, presented on IBrowse. You can find those pages at the URL above. IBrowse loaded in 2 seconds with its About: page fully displayed. Browsing through the pages of the slideshow was instantaneous.

- While we were at it, I browsed the OS4 install guide, also as fast as can be, must say I also find this responsiveness impressive myself :)

Then I demoed as many things as I had time to during the 2 hours I had. Everything worked, fast & stable, and was smooth and impressed. I showed mainly:

- All os4 system, tools, utilities, prefs & stuff

- MUI, IBrowse, Amitradecenter

- Yam, SimpleMail

- ClassAction (M. Elsner's file manager)

- MakeCD

- MooVid running a DivX

- DVPlayer running an mpeg2

- AudioEvolution 4 with the demo project, cursors auto moving smoothly, the playback was smooth also, with mostly no CPU usage.

- AmiPDF with the AE4 manual and another heavy PDF file, very fast

- USB. I plugged a Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical into my USB hub, and we had 2 mice to control the system

- Crisot's slach5 winning demo (got applauses which it deserved)

- chip's rayrace realtime raytracer demo. When the juggler appeared, audience was impressed, but really took measure of what they were watching when I moved the mouse. Wait for the Altivec version !

- FPSE, AmiDog's PS1 emulator, with an oldskool game which ran nicely ('Cotton')

- some other visual toys I had at hand

The demos only grimreaped twice, and I anticipated the grims before they popped up :

- One was native glsokoban / w3d, when I launch it does a base page access (a “null pointer” bug in glsokoban). I didactically shown the disassembly which is available in the grimreaper window, was a store to r4, r4 was null etc. I clicked on continue, and it all went fine & fast.

- One was frying pan 0.3.1, I shown the app, and at one point I said 'now it should grim’ and it did. It still loaded fine though. I quit the app, clicked on reboot and less than 4 secs after, wb was up with amidock. That was the only reboot of the show.

I forgot to show (because of short time):

- Petunia... Almos, sorry, I had prepared something for that (side by side windowed jit & nonjit runs of voxelspace), but i both forgot, and was asked to stop at this point by the party organizers cause it was already 5:30 pm while I was scheduled until 4pm.

- ArtEffect

- USB with MassStorage (ie USB key or digital camera)

At the end, I had many fair questions to which I answered; my feeling is that the audience really appreciated the effort behind what I shown, and was conscious that we are not far away from a releasable 4.0.

Then came the expected question, 'and why doesn’t DMA work ?'

I said 'All what you saw was DMA since the 1st boot'.

I copied a few 100 MB files in a snap, with zero CPU (thanks to Pete Gordon for the clock/CPU docky, helps a lot). Then I switched to PIO, they saw 4 x slower and 80% CPU.

The audience understood that it was indeed DMA, and that was fast, and that was part of the overall smoothness of what I shown.

Then I explained the things below (this is the reference for my statements, please don’t rephrase or extrapolate or invent or whatever):

- IDE UDMA works on VIA and Articia on AmigaOne SE / XE / µA1 MK2 (as I demoed) ...

- ... except when the Ethernet chip goes online and is used.

- the Ethernet chip only triggers the problem, but it is not at all related to it (a test using a PCI Ethernet shows the same behaviour)

- We have made a driver for a Silicon Image 680 PCI IDE UDMA133 controller chip, this does UDMA 133 nicely, including when Ethernet is used at full speed.

- The fact that a PCI IDE controller solution works, shows that the problem is *not* related to Articia, since PCI DMA is *also* handled by the Articia, and that works.

- The full Alchimie show demo was done using UDMA, both from the VIA and from the Si680, without problem (but with Ethernet off, would the Ethernet have been turned online, I would have had to revert the VIA into PIO before).

- Things are currently under more investigation

In the meantime there are 2 options for existing A1 board owners:

- Use the VIA IDE controller in PIO mode when using Ethernet, and UDMA at other times,

- Purchase a faster (UDMA133) Silicon Image 0680 IDE PCI card (from around $20). This is my personally recommended option as the delivered speed is noticeable faster than the on-board VIA controller in UDMA mode.

Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 151 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 29-Sep-2004 15:30 GMT
IMO: These would be the best ways to handle the situation.

Let the user choose:
a) replace/repair (no cost to user) all boards sold during the past year (or how long the warranty lasts anyway)
b) enable full refund of all boards sold during the past year (or how long the warranty lasts anyway), if people upgrade/crossgrade to uA1I or A1CX or A1XEG4 1.3Ghz.
c) send them free PCI IDEUDMA133 or SCSI card (if the users really accepts the loss of a PCI slot)

Offer PCI IDE card for the rest users that do not have warranty any more for €10, or chip it at no extra cost with the final AOS4.0 for A1.

I can not hope for any better solution in this small niche.
I bet people are eager to get Eyetech word on this matter.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 152 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2004 15:35 GMT
Wow... 151 comments already?!
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 153 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Christophe Decanini):
"IDE UDMA works on VIA and Articia on AmigaOne SE / XE / µA1 MK2 (as I demoed) ..."

Ever came across a PCI VIA IDE controller CARD? It is very obvious that "IDE UDMA on VIA.." refers to the on board IDE UDMA controller in the VIA 686B southbridge.


But let me translate the relevant part for you to avoid further "misunderstandings".

"- ... except when the Ethernet chip goes online and is used."

Ah well the onboard via IDE udma controller works fine unless the onboard ethernet chip is used...

"- the Ethernet chip only triggers the problem, but it is not at all related to it (a test using a PCI Ethernet shows the same behaviour)"

but it's not the ethernet chip itself. Adding a PCI Ethernet card shows the same behaviour.

"- We have made a driver for a Silicon Image 680 PCI IDE UDMA133 controller chip, this does UDMA 133 nicely, including when Ethernet is used at full speed"

But when another UDMA IDE controller is used (instead of the onboard VIA IDE UDMA controller), in this case the SI 680 PCI card sitting on the same PCI bus as the VIA IDE UDMA controller, IDE UDMA works happily when Ethernet is used.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 154 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Sep-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Thomas Frieden):
"> It's not really AmigaOS compatible in many respects, it seems.

So was OS 2.0 when it first came out,"

My recollection is that 1.4 had a lot of compatability problems, but they were worked on systematically so that when it was released as 2.0 practically everything worked.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 155 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Sep-2004 15:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Thomas Frieden):
"When moving from one revision to the next, some compatibility is always lost. It's a hard job to decide which compatibility is "worth" to be lost, and which should be kept."

As much compatability should be kept as you possibly can, especially on a platform which has no large (and very few small) companies writing new programs. The best hope of software for the A1 is to persuade companies to re-release, or allow somebody to re-release, existing software.

There's plenty of good stuff out there.
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Posted by Don Cox on 29-Sep-2004 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 126 (Thomas Frieden):
"It's well known that a lot of software broke between 1.3 and 2.0. I don't need to go into details."

You could give examples. I'm trying to think of some, but I can't.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 157 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 127 (Johan Rönnblom):
Phew......Well you didn't hit the jackpot, or at least it's empty ;-) But that's exaclty my point, But the fact that he didn't get that, makes me wonder if he really made a trolling attempt on the UDMA case.....
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 158 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Christophe Decanini):
Do you have a Mike Bouma complex? There are 16 Million people in Holland. While there's a change when you see an IP adress from a dutch ISP that it might actually be Mike Bouma, this doen't mean that when you see an IP from a dutch ISP, it IS Mike Bouma.

This might just be another example of:
"There's no OpenBSD port for the PegasosII, so BSD on the PegasosII doesn't work...."
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 159 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 16:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> So in other words, OS4 is not really Amiga-compatible in this
>> respect?
>
>It's not really AmigaOS compatible in many respects, it seems.

If you really don't want me to keep repeating to you that AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS just like any other version of AmigaOS is AmigaOS, then stop saying things like AmigaOS4 is not compatible with AmigaOS.

Furthermore, you of all should know that it's not unusual for newer versions of an operating system to partially break compatibility with the previous version. It's an unfortunate but perfectly normal effect when you introduce more modern technologies to the system. As a developer you can try minimizing it but never avoid it entirely. So what is the point you are trying to make here, really?
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 160 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Sep-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Sammy Nordström):
> If you really don't want me to keep repeating to you that AmigaOS4 is AmigaOS
> just like any other version of AmigaOS is AmigaOS, then stop saying things like
> AmigaOS4 is not compatible with AmigaOS.

For fuck's sake, everyone understood I was referring to AmigaOS' versions prior AOS4. Now it's certain: you're braindamaged.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Anonymous):
In the case you didn't understood, I was playing dumb so you guys could understand that I think some people are picking up too much on what I write or don't write. That was also the case when I anwered to priest 'you are wrong ;)"

I have clearly understood the original text from Stephane.
It is not because I forgot to specify "via" that I am either dumb or trying to do false statements.
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Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 29-Sep-2004 16:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Don Cox):
Uhm... Archon? ;)
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 163 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Anonymous):
No, I have no M.Bouma complex.
M.Bouma was asked not to post on this site anymore and he did several times using anonymous. He was easy to trace as he was not using proxies.

BTW do you have the guts to put your name in so I don't have to wonder if you are Mike bouma or not ?
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 164 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Fabio Alemagna):
You are wrong ;)
People can not assume things iy you don't specify details level of information.
For example most of the people in these thread who talked about the articia were wrong because they didn't specify if it was the S version, the release number and mask version.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 165 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 157 (Anonymous):
If I say that your brain is not working with your body am I specific enough or should I mention that I'm not speaking about the replacement electronic brain you could buy ?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Christophe Decanini):
Just to save you the answer.
"Ever came across an electronic brain?"
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 167 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2004 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Christophe Decanini):
Ok, just read 166 posts, only afew were actually intresting *sigh*
Stephane, thx for the consise explication of the current situation, looking forward to hear more from this.

As to the rest of you lot discussing shemantics.... GROW UP! :P
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 168 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Amon_Re):
I know, I hate it as much as I do when others do it but I think it is very lame to have such cheap shots to people who give their time for people nitpicking on everything they can.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 169 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 29-Sep-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 168 (Christophe Decanini):
Christophe, don't take this wrong, but i have no clue what you're trying to say there, sorry :(
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 170 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (Don Cox):
>As much compatability should be kept as you possibly can

If compatibility is your highest priority, then run your applications on the hardware and operating system that it was meant to run on. I mean, you don't make newer versions of something because you want to maintain compatibility with older versions, you do it for the sake of making improvements and advancements over the older versions. If you can make improvements AND maintain compatibility at the same time, great. But, NEVER let progress suffer because it may break backwards compatibility.

AmigaOS4 isn't just a good looking Amiga emulator for PPC hardware, it's the next generation AmigaOS.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Sep-2004 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Sammy Nordström):
> NEVER let progress suffer because it may break backwards compatibility.

And who ever said progress needs to suffer because of that? Are you another of those clueless who think that progress forcefully implies breaking compatibility?
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 172 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Fabio Alemagna):
>For fuck's sake, everyone understood I was referring to AmigaOS' versions
>prior AOS4.

So did I, I was just trying to point out that you may want to change your wording for the sake of avoiding further misunderstandings. But then, I realize now that avoiding conflicts is really not much of a priority for you since you are not afraid to call people "braindamaged".
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 173 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 171 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> NEVER let progress suffer because it may break backwards compatibility.
>
>And who ever said progress needs to suffer because of that?

I didn't.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 174 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Sep-2004 16:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 172 (Sammy Nordström):
> So did I, I was just trying to point out that you may want to change your
> wording for the sake of avoiding further misunderstandings.

Misunderstandings by whom? No one misunderstood, give it a rest!

> But then, I realize now that avoiding conflicts is really not much of a priority
> for you since you are not afraid to call people "braindamaged".

Sorry, I take it back: you're simply boring to death.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 175 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Fabio Alemagna):
>Sorry, I take it back: you're simply boring to death.

How appropriate, you fight like a cow. :-P
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Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Christophe Decanini):
Dear Mr Decanini,

> No, Mike Bouma post as anonymous. Look at this thread you may find him.

FYI this is my first contribution to this thread. I find these constant trollish comments from you and others quitte unfortunate. Is the reason why I am being dragging into threads like these simply because you value my opinions so much? ;-)

I would like to thank Stéphane Guillard for his informative and valuable contributions with regard to helping clear up the issues. To summarize here's an effort by me to filter out all the noise:

- IDE UDMA was shown to function flawlessly and with full performance at the Alchimie IV event.

- An additional problem has been discovered with regard to the current AmigaOne SE/XE boards, which should not affect the newer AmigaOne/MicroA1 boards which will become available from Eyetech later this month. A conflict *could* possibly surface when Ethernet and IDE UDMA are being used simultaneously. The problem can be avoided by using a seperate controller to substitute usage of the VIA one or to simply not use both Ethernet and IDE UDMA simultaneously.

Most of the rest is just the usual noise IMO.

BTW, Mr Decanini could you contact Christian and ask him to resend my password. He asked me to contact him but sadly several efforts have been unsuccessful.
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Posted by Rafo on 29-Sep-2004 17:14 GMT
As I witnessed the conference myself, I can guarantee that absolutely
exactly what was said and shown. Stephane Guillard is fully credible
to me since a looong time, anybody who doubts what he said just
doesn't know what he/she is talking about, or talks basing on info
that is partial or incorrect.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 178 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Christophe Decanini):
Please Mr Decanini, why not try to set an example? You are a moderator here afteral...

> M.Bouma was asked not to post on this site anymore and he did several times
> using anonymous. He was easy to trace as he was not using proxies.

The facts are:

1) You and Christian once asked me to not post here anymore. To which I could agreed, for as long as there would be no misinformation being spread in here about me personally (like you are currently doing yourself).

2) I hadn't posted on ANN for about half a year. Then I yet again read false claims being made up in here. Considering my registered Nick didn't seem to work anymore (why I don't know!?) I responded semi-anonymously, but never felt the need to hide my identity by hiding my IP address. IMO I have nothing to hide. Note that none of my postings had to moderated and thus I find your behaviour quitte childish.

A few weeks later a bogus thread about me alledgely being employed by Amiga Inc appeared here on ANN and this time I did sign the posting with my name (but still couldn't use my registered nick..), to be sure people knew this message was written by me.

AmigaWorld.net being down for a while also made me follow ANN and Moo Bunny a bit more than I would have normally done.

> BTW do you have the guts to put your name in so I don't have to wonder if you
> are Mike bouma or not ?

Just figures... "All your anonymous are belong to me!"
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 179 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 17:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Christophe Decanini):
If bouma wasn't using proxies then you know his IP, and now compare it with mine....
Hey they don't match...no need to reveal my name then....
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 180 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 29-Sep-2004 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Fabio Alemagna):
I think what Sammy is trying to explain is one of the following two
things:

a) As OS4 is really AmigaOS by definition, all previous AmigaOS
programs also work, by definition. If you're running a previous
AmigaOS program on OS4 and it doesn't work, you're simply wrong. Blame
your eyes, not OS4.

b) As OS4 is really AmigaOS by definition, all previous AmigaOS
programs also should work, by definition. If a previous AmigaOS
program doesn't run, and it follows the specifications of an earlier
version of AmigaOS, then there was an error in that previous
specification as it doesn't match with OS4. Blame Mike Sinz, not OS4.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 181 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (MikeB):
You are full of excuses as always.
I think that your "semi anonymous" posts claim is hilarious.
If I do sometimes wonder if you are one of this anonymous posters from .nl it is because you have frequently used the anonymous account to take cheap shots at me.
You intervened several times here (while being banned) on several occasions despite the fact that you were not personaly attacked.
This just qualify you as a liar, as someone not respecting promises.
As for you saying to me I should be an example it is again hilarious knowing how foolish you have been.
It does not surprise me that for someone supposely not visiting this place you react so quickly and with posting with your name you just proved that your lame excuses for posting as anonymous is another lie.
There is nothing I can do for your account if Christian decided he was fed up with ANN requests or just busy.
I was sure that you could spin this bad news into a good one.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 182 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Asemoon on 29-Sep-2004 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Anonymous):
Mike Bouma's home internet is *.speed.planet.nl. You must be a new guy here (*.home.nl). Welcome abroad, brother!
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 183 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Sep-2004 18:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 179 (Anonymous):
I do not check and match all anonymous ips.
I do think that people should be accountable for what they say and that anonymous is abused too many times. If I could associate your posts with a name I would be able to differentiate your posts from others people trolling.
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Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Christophe Decanini):
> I think that your "semi anonymous" posts claim is hilarious.

Why? I already knew some trolls including KennyR were keeping track of my IP address. For instance his Wrongpla.net website has had a "special" welcome message specially triggered to be displayed when encountering IP address for many months.

> If I do sometimes wonder if you are one of this anonymous posters from .nl it
> is because you have frequently used the anonymous account to take cheap shots
> at me.

Uhuh, everyone who has a go at you anonymously must be "evil Mike Bouma", right? If I did have a go at you once or twice I am sure you posted one your misinformant Bouma postings yet again.

> You intervened several times here (while being banned) on several occasions
> despite the fact that you were not personaly attacked.

You can look up my postings like Tryo did, using my IP address. Have fun!

It was probably AmigaWorld.net related. Everytime anything happens there, there are "Was it Bouma?" voices spreading across Trollutopia.

> This just qualify you as a liar, as someone not respecting promises.

My promise to you is: I will never stop trying to clear up the misinformation spread about me by others, including persons like yourself.
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Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 182 (Asemoon):
> Mike Bouma's home internet is *.speed.planet.nl

Note that Planet is the biggest internet provider in the Netherlands. Not all speed.planet.nl's would be me. ;-)

And somehow I doubt you are really Asemoon as she is currently in Italy and I really doubt she would bother reading this thread due to her busy shedule. LOL, if I am wrong please check your mail...
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Posted by XraalE on 29-Sep-2004 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 184 (MikeB):
> Why? I already knew some trolls including KennyR were keeping track
> of my IP address. For instance his Wrongpla.net website has had a
> "special" welcome message specially triggered to be displayed when
> encountering IP address for many months.

Praise from caesar - MikeB calling someone a troll. Classic. :)

As for the (very mild!) WP thing - have you considered it might be because of the irratatingly litigious demands you made against the site, a non-profit satire site fully protected by Fair Use law, like all satire sites are? And the picture wasn't even that great, either. But don't think you're getting special treatment. We keep track of IPs all the time, using legal methods, because it's the quickest and easiest way to root out a troll, especially one trying to hide an agenda behind feigned benevolence.
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Posted by Asemoon on 29-Sep-2004 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 185 (MikeB):
I'm your imaginary girl friend 8-) LOL
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 29-Sep-2004 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 180 (Johan Rönnblom):
You forgot:

c) While it's not unusual for different versions of the same operating system to not be fully compatible with each other due to enhancements and new functionalities made to the newer versions, it doesn't change the fact that all versions are a part of the same product line. That makes Fabio's statement that AmigaOS4 would not be compatible with AmigaOS not just a logicly incorrect generalization, but also rather pointless. In search of a meaning for his statement, I thought I'd point it out and ask him what his point was so that he would have the ability to elaborate. But as always with Fabio, he got hung up on the schemantics instead of simply clarifying his statement and then explain why he felt the need to point out that the next generation of AmigaOS is in some areas breaking compatibility with previous versions of AmigaOS.
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Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 19:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 187 (Asemoon):
I am sure you would be jealous! 8-)

BTW, Asemoon stands for "Blue Sky" in Persian.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 190 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 29-Sep-2004 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>"Care to mention which SW you're talking about, and which are the incompatibilities you're thinking of? You know, it helps talking about real stuff."

I had a game that worked with Kickstart 1.1 on my A1000. When I got my Kickstart 1.2 disk it wouldn't work, so I had to use 1.1 to play that game. I think it was Arctic Fox, but can't remember for sure. (it was a polygon based game where you flew a spaceship over the ground and shot stuff). See, starting with Kickstart 1.2 Amiga OS has been incompatible with itself. Proof the only REAL Amiga OS is 1.1!


(P.S. When I got Kickstart 1.3 the game would work with that. AOS 1.2 was a pretty kick a$$ update though....)
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Posted by Darrin on 29-Sep-2004 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 183 (Christophe Decanini):
I'm sure I'm not the only person to think that you're out of line when you expect to say something about someone, but don't want them to be able to defend themselves. That's pretty low.
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Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 19:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 186 (XraalE):
Hello Kenny,

IMO I only did my duty. I tried to explain to you that my copyrighted images may not be used for this purpose. For instance if there is a copyrighted photo of you on the internet, I would usually not be allowed to abuse this for satire purposes especially not if you made clear you don't want to see this happen. (For instance create a Hilter/KennyR mixture).

I told you that I don't want you to use my images and you ignored my request. The next step would be to take legal steps against you folk, but weighing the pros/cons I decided this would certainly not be worth the effort for both of us.
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Posted by Anonymous on 29-Sep-2004 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (MikeB):
You asked BenH and he advised you against it?
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 194 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by MikeB on 29-Sep-2004 20:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Anonymous):
We have our own lawyer, but I haven't bothered him with regard to some irrelevant trolls nor a trollsite thinly disguised as a funpage (though bbrv *is* a contributor, LOL)!
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 195 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 29-Sep-2004 20:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 190 (Agima):
Ae those HW banging games? If so, they don't really count.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 196 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 29-Sep-2004 20:46 GMT
Hmmm.. yet another Articia threads. Having read all them for years now, I can safely say this:

1. Everyone and his dog has been blamed for this problem/feature.
2. Most new blamees contradict claims about previous blamees.
3. I consider this latest to be more smoke and mirrors.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 197 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by XraalE on 29-Sep-2004 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (MikeB):
Mike, how many times did we explain to you the Fair Use laws?
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 198 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 29-Sep-2004 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 195 (Fabio Alemagna):
>>Are those HW banging games? If so, they don't really count.

Yeah, and that fact that it worked under 1.1 and then 1.3 and not 1.2 sort of makes it not count as well. The orignal idea behind the post is ludicrous though anyway. It would be near impossible to keep an OS 100% compatible while still trying to make it modern.

There are plenty of Windows 3.11 Apps that Windows XP broke compatibility with (and they both use X86). If someone was saying Windows XP is not 'really' Windows because it is not 100% backward compatibile with Win3.11 they would be seen as someone just trolling/arguing for the sake of causing trouble. That's how it should be seen here.

Someone saying that if AOS4 is not 100% backwards compatible it's not Amiga OS is just dumb. Especially when you consider that it is moving to a different CPU.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 199 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 29-Sep-2004 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 197 (XraalE):
>>Mike, how many times did we explain to you the Fair Use laws?


Sounds like you distributed 'modified' copyright materials on your site (not sure though as I didn't see or hear about what happened). I'm sure 'Fair Use' would allow you to modify anything you want for your own sick purvers pleasure. I'm not sure it would protect you though when you allow the world access to it from your site.

Sure I can modify my Windows XP install all I want. HEX edit it to change all the wording etc. I'm sure that it might be funny and may be my legal right. I'm guessing if I make it available from my web site I might be in trouble though.
Notes about my presentation at the Alchimie 4 show : Comment 200 of 427ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 29-Sep-2004 21:11 GMT
"In the meantime there are 2 options for existing A1 board owners:

- Use the VIA IDE controller in PIO mode when using Ethernet, and UDMA at other times,

- Purchase a faster (UDMA133) Silicon Image 0680 IDE PCI card (from around $20). This is my personally recommended option as the delivered speed is noticeable faster than the on-board VIA controller in UDMA mode."


Or...

- Return your A1 board to your dealer for a refund on the grounds that it doesn't work as advertised.
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