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Creation date: 29 Sep 2000 17:36:10 Expiration date: 29 Sep 2004 17:36:10 http://www.betterwhois.com/bwhois.cgi?domain=KMOS.COM
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 1 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Thaning on 30-Sep-2004 20:54 GMT
:lol:
I see another 300+posts thread coming!
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 2 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Sep-2004 20:56 GMT
Smooth.. Real smooth.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 3 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 30-Sep-2004 21:03 GMT
Yes, we're proffesional company. We're going to save Amiga for The World. Yet, as a IT company, we couldn't handle our domain. Amiga curse? ;)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 4 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Sep-2004 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (opi):
Well.. considering they didn't manage to make decent website on 6 months.. Why should they keep hosting and domain if they don't have anything to show?
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 5 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 30-Sep-2004 21:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
Yup. Loosing domain just makes irony stronger. It's a strong warrior who came to kill the dragon, saddly, he had two wooden legs, one eye, and both left hands. ;-)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 6 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Thaning on 30-Sep-2004 21:16 GMT
I see another 300+ posts thread coming!
:lol:
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 7 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Sep-2004 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (opi):
And latex sword .. ..

At this point I wait to see two things to happen..
- Someone grabs the domain for site.in-memoram
- How long it'll be before this news reach AW.net :)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 8 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Thaning on 30-Sep-2004 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Dan Thaning):
Argh doublepost!!! I blame Opera for that.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 9 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 30-Sep-2004 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (opi):
> Yes, we're proffesional company. We're going to save Amiga for The World.
> Yet, as a IT company, we couldn't handle our domain. Amiga curse? ;)

Has it occurred to you that they haven't had a web site perhaps because they haven't needed one?

And does it also occur that now that KMOS own Amiga, Inc. they now have even less need of a web site - and that's why the domain has been allowed to expire?
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 10 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 30-Sep-2004 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Richard Drummond):
Ok then. Maybe you're right. It's just expired. Now we're going to sit and watch what dose KMOS do. Let the actions speak for KMOS.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 11 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Sep-2004 22:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Richard Drummond):
Sounds to me like your grasping at straws. Even if KMOS didn't have an immediate need for a web site, they should keep the domain for future use and to keep it out of the hands of others. Wouldn't you? This is, of course, *if* the KMOS name and corporate identity have any value at all. I don't think buying Amiga, Inc. has any direct relevance. Garry Hare made it clear that KMOS and Amiga, Inc. have separate product lines, markets, and so on, so Amiga's having its own web site shouldn't affect KMOS one way or the other.

Of course there may be a great logic underlying everything KMOS has done so far, yet to be revealed. So I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions that they are inept or dishonest. ;-)

-- gary_c
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 12 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Amiga market is dying on 30-Sep-2004 22:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Richard Drummond):
"And does it also occur that now that KMOS own Amiga, Inc. they now have even less need of a web site - and that's why the domain has been allowed to expire?"

Is Garry Hare CEO of Amiga Inc now? Since KMOS exists no more... Maybe Hare ran out of money and could not renew his domain. Now this AmigaOne disaster... Market shrinking... we are dead !!!!
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 13 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 30-Sep-2004 22:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (gary_c):
> Sounds to me like your grasping at straws.

I have no need to grasp at straws. I was merely stating a possible reason.

> Even if KMOS didn't have an immediate need for a web site, they should keep
> the domain for future use and to keep it out of the hands of others.
> Wouldn't you?

I would. Yes.

But just because the KMOS domain has expired, it doesn't mean that KMOS has disappeared or that the sun is about to implode.

> Of course there may be a great logic underlying everything KMOS has done so
> far, yet to be revealed. So I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions that they > are inept or dishonest. ;-)

Stop it, Gary. That's far too reasonable a comment to be posted on ANN. ;-)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 14 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Sep-2004 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Richard Drummond):
To add to the questions, according to State of Delaware records, KMOS, Inc. was incorporated on Oct. 7, 2003. The KMOS.COM domain was registered on Sept. 29, 2000. So either somebody registered the domain far in advance of incorporating the company, or this domain belongs/belonged to somebody other than the KMOS we know. Was it ever shown that kmos.com was "our" KMOS's domain? I heard about emails sent to info@kmos.com bouncing from the Amiga server, but this could have just been an urban legend.

-- gary_c
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 15 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Sep-2004 23:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
Well, here's an answer to that: Garry Hare says in his interview, "Since the emergency launch of Information@KMOS.com , we've received thousands of hits." So apparently the domain is|was his (assuming the truthfulness of the interview statement).

-- gary_c
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 16 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 30-Sep-2004 23:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
> So either somebody registered the domain far in advance of incorporating the
> company, or this domain belongs/belonged to somebody other than the KMOS we
> know.

I can't fault your reasoning there. Is it possible that the KMOS domain changed hands at some point - say, if "our" KMOS bought it from the previous owners? Would the domain have to have been renewed then?

> Was it ever shown that kmos.com was "our" KMOS's domain?

No idea. And I've had more productive things to do with my life than to bother finding out. ;-)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 17 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 30-Sep-2004 23:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Richard Drummond):
> No idea. And I've had more productive things to do with my life than to bother finding out. ;-)

Well, if we see you posting more times to this thread then I'd say No. ;)

I mean the rest of us do not have more productive things to do with our lives, that's why we live, er, post here! ;)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 18 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Wayne Dresing, PhD on 30-Sep-2004 23:35 GMT
At least I have my own website now: www.dresing.com

Make sure you click on the links to earn me some money! ching-ching!
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 19 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Sep-2004 23:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Richard Drummond):
I can't fault your reasoning there. Is it possible that the KMOS domain changed hands at some point - say, if "our" KMOS bought it from the previous owners? Would the domain have to have been renewed then?

I don't know (if transfers can happen without affecting the record creation date).

> Was it ever shown that kmos.com was "our" KMOS's domain?

No idea. And I've had more productive things to do with my life than to bother finding out. ;-)

Took about 45 seconds to find out, not conclusively but to at least get Garry Hare's statement that it is his company's domain. Isn't Google great?

-- gary_c
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 20 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 30-Sep-2004 23:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Darth_X):
I mean the rest of us do not have more productive things to do with our lives, that's why we live, er, post here! ;)

I'm multitasking. ;-)

-- gary_c
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 21 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 30-Sep-2004 23:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (gary_c):
Well.. I watch Bush-Kerry live debate from TV.. so it's not a biggie to look websites at the same time..
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 22 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Richard Drummond on 01-Oct-2004 00:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (JoannaK):
> Well.. I watch Bush-Kerry live debate from TV.. so it's not a biggie to look
> websites at the same time..

Same here.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 23 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 04:39 GMT
new boards are ok !! if there are few developer/betatester boards with buggy VIA why are you accusing eyetech? they brought the amiga back !!!
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 24 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 05:26 GMT
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 30-sep-2004
Creation Date: 29-sep-2000
Expiration Date: 29-sep-2005

Ok it has been updated, new expiration date is set....
Move on, nothing to see here....
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 25 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Yep.. apparently it looks like name registration was not paid up and the hosting company has taken it as an collateral.

Anyhow.. IMHO quite strange.. Usually (on those hostin companies I know) one has to give valid CC for even getting the registration. Would not be too good if that CC account was now empty/closed.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 26 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 01-Oct-2004 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (gary_c):
>I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions that they are inept or dishonest. ;-)

July 25th Amiwest Banquet

"The T Shirts went to be printed yesterday. I don't want to hear anything about these T Shirts again!"
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 27 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 01-Oct-2004 07:02 GMT
A 24 hour telephone order taking service approached by storeshop.com did not return two calls.

Another, dealing with management, was like talking to a telephone wind up call though the operators seemed good.

You learn to sense subtle warnings and clues.

It`s human to ignore or dismiss them then realise with hindsight.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 28 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Perver on 01-Oct-2004 10:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Looks like it's been taken over by one of those annoying search engines
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 29 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Damien on 01-Oct-2004 10:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Chris Perver):
That is _so_ funny, now they'll have their own website held for ransom! LOL.

I swear, the compentency of the management involved in the main Amiga companies is worthy of a dilbert strip or fifty.

Damien
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 30 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 01-Oct-2004 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
They've still got 38 days to renew the domain name, and no-one else can register it anew for 75 days anyway.

For all we know the domain renewal reminder didn't get through, or the domain renewal order has yet to be processed by the registrar.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 31 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 01-Oct-2004 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (JoannaK):
Sheesh, look at the FUD.

The domain name has not been renewed, the 40 day "renewal grace period" shows up in Verisign's whois as a year's renewal, which is removed if no real renewal is made. The true expiration date is at the bottom of the whois output from the registrar for the domain name.

There's no "collateral" or anything.

You have to give a CC number when ordering a domain name ... because it costs money. Do you seriously expect that 4 years later the same CC number would be valid.

Sheesh. Plain and simple FUD.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 32 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 01-Oct-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Graham_nli):
Not sure why you think Verisign's information is pertinent, graham; here's what the domain registrar has :

WhoIs Results for kmos.com

This name has EXPIRED, the former whois information is:

Contact Type Administrative
Organization Name: -
First Name: John
Last Name: Grzymala
etc.

Other Information
registration-expiration-date:
registrar: enom
created-date:
updated-date:
status:
updated-by: enom
created-by: mbit
nameserver: DNS1.NAME-SERVICES.COM
DNS2.NAME-SERVICES.COM
DNS3.NAME-SERVICES.COM
DNS4.NAME-SERVICES.COM
DNS5.NAME-SERVICES.COM

registrar-transfer-date: 2003-03-05 13:23:43.0

Can't see anything about a "grace period". However, the registrar does show "kmos.com is not available", so looks like there is something like a grace period in operation at the moment, though that is probably automatic and if anything, just confirms that KMOS Inc. haven't done anything about the expiration yet.

See what happens when you don't pay your Web "master"?

Gregg
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 33 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 01-Oct-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
" Creation Date: 29-sep-2000 "

???
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 34 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 01-Oct-2004 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (gary_c):
Use archive.org to get a clue.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 35 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Graham_nli):
So.. Sis they pay for renewal or not?
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 36 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (JoannaK):
*DID* .. I need to find spell schiking plugin to this Web browser..
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 37 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Ron Jeremy on 01-Oct-2004 17:56 GMT
What's wrong with you people? Are you on dope? This is nothing more than a shell company to launder the IP. Garry Hare is related to McBill, all in the family. McBill is a taxi driver, Fleecy owns a Quickie Mart and Harry Garry is in a retirement home.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 38 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 01-Oct-2004 18:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Gregg):
I work in domain name services, I know what I'm talking about. Don't bother arguing. All top level domain names have a 35 to 40 day renewal grace period after the expiration date that is run by the registrar (e.g., OpenSRS, NetSol, ENOM). After this, the central registry (.com, .net: Verisign for example) will have a 30 day Redemption Period during which the owner can still get the domain name back, for $80 to Verisign. After that there is a 5 day Pending Delete status. After that, the domain name is available to register.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 39 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 01-Oct-2004 18:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (JoannaK):
Well not yet as the domain name hasn't been renewed.

My point is that it is too early to state that KMOS have lost the domain name, they've got around another 68 days, 40 days to renew cheaply, 30 days to recover the domain name from Verisign for more money.

Edit: They've renewed the domain name:

Expiration date: 29 Sep 2006 17:36:10
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 40 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Graham_nli):
Yep .. They have ot their domain and site is back.

Unfortunately there is no new info.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 41 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 01-Oct-2004 20:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Graham_nli):
Don't bother arguing.

Ooh, I do love it when you're masterful.

May I swoon now?

Gregg
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 42 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Dan Thaning on 01-Oct-2004 22:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Graham_nli):
Edit: They've renewed the domain name:
Damage control by Akey?
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 43 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 22:47 GMT
"Contact Info for kmos.com:
KM Office Services
PO Box 86466
L.A, CA
90086
US
310-510-8300"

KM Office Services?
I will have one rubber stamp, one pack of paper and an Amiga trademark please.

(http://www.alexa.com/data/details/?url=kmos.com)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 44 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 02-Oct-2004 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
It doesn't say that in the whois for the domain, which still reads "John Grzymala" for some reason (if you do a whois -h whois.enom.com kmos.com anyway)

If KMOS or A.Inc. actually own the domain name, then they really should update the whois, simply to look more professional.
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 45 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by pixie on 03-Oct-2004 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Graham_nli):
It seems they just had, happier now!? ;)
kmos.com domain name expires : Comment 46 of 46ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-Oct-2004 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (JoannaK):
Also this http://kmos.com/images/ is empty as well. :-)
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