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[Forum] Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose FirewallANN.lu
Posted on 01-Oct-2004 21:47 GMT by Kristian Eklund (Edited on 2004-10-02 02:40:04 GMT by Christophe Decanini)40 comments
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Göteborg, Sweden, 2004-10-01

Newly formed Genesi Scandinavia presented the CrabFire firewall at Smart Networks Developer Forum (SNDF) in Frankfurt, Germany. The CrabFire is not only a firewall, but also a spam and virusfilter.

The firewall can be configured to filter spam and e-mail virus heading for your corporate mailserver. If your company has several office-locations one CrabFire can be placed in each office and a secure, encrypted tunnel can be opened between them. Your employers will be able to access all computers just as if they were on the same local network. One other thing you can use your CrabFire for is Packet filtering. With this feature you can stop network users from using any Internet applications you do not want to be used -- such as peer-to-peer file sharing and instant messaging programs. Changing the service ports in these applications will not work - the CrabFire scans within the packets for signatures from these programs and will stop or log them, depening on your configuration.

The CrabFire runs on a 1GHz 7447 PowerPC processor and has 1 Gigabit Ethernet port (LAN) and 1 10/100 Mbit port (WAN). A dual-Gigabit version will be available shortly. The specifications are subject to small changes towards the final release.

Genesi Scandinavia recieved very positive feedback from both attendees and presenters at SNDF and we are confident that this product will be of great interest to companies all over the world. The CrabFire will be price-competitive towards competative alternatives. We estimate this firewall will be finalized in three months.

About Genesi Scandinavia
Genesi Scandinavia is a newly formed company in Sweden. We will be producing and selling the CrabFire aswell as other Genesi products. Genesi Scandinavia is privately held. The Marketing Director and Manager is Kristian Eklund.

CrabFire Product Information.
CrabFire Picture

Thank you for your time, Kristian Eklund, Marketing Director (kristian.eklund(at)genesi.se)

Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 1 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 20:43 GMT
Neat. I was expecting product like this to appear with Pegasos 2. This one looks real good and professional.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 2 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (JoannaK):
I agree. This is what the Pegasos really is suited for. Been thinking about a product like this from even before the Peg2 was released. Bring on the Dual Gigabit Ethernet, the regular 100Mbit, VPN, routing, firewall, etc, and we got a hit! :-D
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 3 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 01-Oct-2004 20:50 GMT
Well, Guardian makes a return. Fantastic news. I'm very excited by this and fantastic products coming from Genesi. Soon people will see the Blades, then world domination becons.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 4 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Don't forget Spam filering.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 5 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 21:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (JoannaK):
I have bad experience from spam filters. Either to narrow, or to wide.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 6 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 01-Oct-2004 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Well. I'm sure it will be configurable ... :)
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 7 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 01-Oct-2004 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
@AdmV

and? :)
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 8 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (AdmV):
I know your witch hunt against BBRV. This is not Guardian, this is from Genesi Scandinavia. This is NOT the same thing as "BBRV", even if they probably will be fully behind this effort!
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 9 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 01-Oct-2004 21:53 GMT
Does this run MOS or a *nix-variant?

I was just wondering, because if it isn't MOS, the relevance for the site is somewhat questionable, is it not? Even if it does run on hardware that runs MOS. Not that it matters much anyway.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 10 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 01-Oct-2004 21:58 GMT
Now that it is here anyway, what are the physical dimensions of the case?
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 11 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 01-Oct-2004 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Sorry.. disregard my previous question. Found it in the PDF.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 12 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Oct-2004 22:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
You should look at teh picture where its lying on the table, and the front is glowing in blue! Looks really cool! And small! Like a MiniITX but a little bigger in width, but it looks like it includes PSU, or?
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 13 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Argo on 02-Oct-2004 03:10 GMT
I wonder what software it is running. Something like Smoothwall? I doubt it is using MorphOS. Genesi seems to be settling in to the big Linux kick lately.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 14 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 02-Oct-2004 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
I can't understand why it shouldn't be relevant here if - as it most probably does, since it would hardly be secure on an amigan OS for now - the CrabFire runs on some sort of Unix derivate.

New, possibly successful products from or based on HW/SW of the leading Amiga companies are certainly of interest for us Amiga users as well, since their resulting prospering would enable them to positive effects for the Amiga market as well.

Myself at least I'd very much like therefore to read here about a successful big deal of Eyetech in China as much as about a major income for Hyperion due to some contract BIOS work for Mai or some future price reduction of the Pegasos board thanks to the Linux dealing with Freescale.

I think most of us will agree that at least for the time being, the money is rather on dealing with Linux platforms than the Amiga operating systems. So if the success or failure of Genesi or Eyetech/Mai in the out-of-Amiga market therefore has major effects for these companies, it bears relevance for the Amiga market as well. Not only in the extreme case of one of them closing down because of lacking profitability.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 15 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Oct-2004 06:04 GMT
This seems like a good product, if the price is right.

Lets hope they sell by the truck load.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 16 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 02-Oct-2004 06:13 GMT
Too bad thier webpage looks kinda bad. :/
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 17 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Oct-2004 07:31 GMT
Hmmm... The "About" link at their website seems broken (under construction?) and they don't seem to have any physical address, just a cellular phone number and an e-mail address. The domain is registered by Gunne Steen (GGS-Data).
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 18 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 02-Oct-2004 08:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Senex):
I suppose you have a point.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 19 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Oct-2004 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Sammy Nordström):
Hello Sammy

The company is to take form, and the Crabfire is the first product. It was shown and demonstrated for the first time at SNDF in Frankfurt. :-)

Btw, it has nothing to do with GGS-Data.

Gunne
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 20 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Oct-2004 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Gunne Steen):
But does it have anything to do with Gunne Steen
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 21 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Oct-2004 09:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
@ anonymous

Yes, as you can see from Sammys post it has.

Why do you wonder ?

Gunne
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 22 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Oct-2004 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Gunne Steen):
Are you saying that the company hasn't actually been formed yet? If so, no company, no employer, no employees... Does this mean that Kristian is not actually the marketing director yet? Does this mean that the crabfire is some kind of spare time developed product or has the product been acquired in some way from another company?

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm a bit too curious now... :-P
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 23 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 02-Oct-2004 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Darth_X):
And What ?
Sorry, I was being sarcastic.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 24 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 02-Oct-2004 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
There is no witch hunt against BBRV or Genesi. If they do stupid things, they get called for it, the same as that other bunch Amiga Inc. I have no sides, just some of you get upset when your 'side' gets called out for their bullshit, lies, whatever.

IMHO neither side is worth very much trust. Genesi slightly edge it in terms of being trustworthy, but thats based on early events. Of late they have been every bit as bad as previous 'candidates'. Some Genesi staff are not trustworthy. Period.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 25 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Oct-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Sammy Nordström):
Hi Sammy

Im just saying you perhaps should calm down a little bit in your attempt to make assumptions :-)

The product is not something that is acquired, but a, by the team, from scratch developed product based on the PegasosPPC hardware.

Its not based on AmigaOS 4, so you dont start speculate about that also.

Ok ?

Gunne
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 26 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Oct-2004 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Gunne Steen):
>Im just saying you perhaps should calm down a little bit in your attempt to
>make assumptions :-)

Which is why I asked instead of making premature assumptions. See? =)

>The product is not something that is acquired, but a, by the team, from
>scratch developed product based on the PegasosPPC hardware.

Are you saying that the development team behind the Pegasos made it or have they themselves devloped it with some form of license from bPlan/Genesi(USA)?

>Its not based on AmigaOS 4, so you dont start speculate about that also.

What gave you the idea that I would think it was based on AmigaOS4? How could hardware possibly be based on software, shouldn't it be the other way around?
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 27 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Oct-2004 11:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
Ok, there is no problem in showing interest of course. Instead everyone interested is more then welcome.

However I see no point into discuss, or speculate about anything formal here at this time.

It is not developed by anyone behind the Pegasos hardware. Of course there is connections with bplan/Genesi.

If you have a serious interest in knowing more about the product you are more then welcome.

Final note; I think there is to much silly discussions in Amiga forums, especially in this forum. These (silly) discussions is not creative in any way for anyone, just silly. Sorry to say that.

The SNDF was also a great experience. Especially the Linux Workshop held on the PegasosPPC and maintained by Freescale Semiconductor and bplan/Genesi was great. Where it for instance was showed examples and discussions around how to take benefit and advantages in using AltiVec in different ways.

Gunne
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 28 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Oct-2004 11:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Gunne Steen):
Ok, fair enough.

You seem a little touchy, Gunne. Too much coffee this morning? =)
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 29 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 02-Oct-2004 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sammy Nordström):
>You seem a little touchy, Gunne. Too much coffee this morning? =)

Perhaps just your reputation, Sammy? :) It precedes you...

*adding random patronizing rhetorical question quote from Sammy*

...you know?

*adding random patronizing rhetorical question quote from Sammy*

...see?

*how does one stop this thing*

*screech*

OK. Sorry for the troll. :)

But seriously, I think the product idea is nice. It would be interesting to know how much (if anything) is indeed inherited from the Guardian or related projects.

The website could use a lot of work, though, and I'm getting flashbacks of the over-expanding-without-enough-management days of Genesi. Perhaps I'm being too cynical. I really wish them well - the latest news surrounding Pegasos have been pretty positive overall including getting back on track with Terrasoft. That was a nice touch. Now if bbrv could only learn to make and keep their friends. :) I'm not really holding my breath...
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 30 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Gunne Steen on 02-Oct-2004 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Janne):
Sammy:

>You seem a little touchy, Gunne. Too much coffee this morning? =)

Perhaps, however now its saturday evening, and everything fine again :-)

Janne:

> But seriously, I think the product idea is nice.

Thank you !

> It would be interesting to know how much (if anything) is indeed inherited from the Guardian or related projects.

Nothing.

> The website could use a lot of work, though, ....

At the moment being the product, and work, is the most important thing :-)

All the best !

Gunne
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 31 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 02-Oct-2004 19:23 GMT
I think the product looks sellable. The GUI is ugly (but I guess it
gives a certain nuclear power plant kind of boring, rectangular,
unimaginative and safe impression) but the box looks great.

As for spam filters.. there are definitely very different classes
here! And I get the impression that this is a good filter. What this
does is to remove only mails that are 100% certain to be spam, and to
mark suspicious mails to make them easier to delete manually. This is
enormously helpful when you receive hundreds of spam mails daily, in
my experience. I never found "local" spam filters that you need to
feed manually useful however, as they take more time to maintain than
they save (at least with the efficient mail clients found on
Amiga/MorphOS :-).

Oh, and about the relevance of this news, I can't agree more with
Senex in comment 9. If you have good news about Hyperion, Eyetech or
even MAI products, agreements or deals, do post them here. Given that
our little community is not a sufficient market, I'm sure most of us
are very interested in knowing whether "our" hardware will have a
chance of survival.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 32 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 02-Oct-2004 20:49 GMT
I can see this maybe being useful for OpenSwan etc where a little embedded linux system wouldn't manage to produce decent throughput.. but I can't see that being much of a market, if you can configure IPsec you should be able to knock up a similar system with debian within a day or two.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 33 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 06:51 GMT
You will see lots of pictures from SNDF Europe here:

http://www.pegasos.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=242&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0


You will see the Crabfire among those, like:

http://www.pegasos.org/modules.php?full=1&set_albumName=sndf-gunne&id=PICT0126&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php

http://www.pegasos.org/modules.php?full=1&set_albumName=sndf-kozz&id=p1010009&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 34 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (corpse):
companies usually doesnt configure and set up their firewall from scratch,
they want complete systems ready to go without hazzle, here they just
plug in the crabfire set up a few ip's and thats it. This way its the vendor
of the firewall thats sits on the security, if anything goes wrong, they have
to fix it and pay for damages. There is a HUGE marked for stuff like this
and everyone wants a piece of the cake, Genesi too.

But they could picked a better name....
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 35 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 08:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Janne):
>>You seem a little touchy, Gunne. Too much coffee this morning? =)
>
>Perhaps just your reputation, Sammy? :) It precedes you...

Perhaps you have preconcieved notions about me because I happen to have a different opinion about certain things than you?

>*how does one stop this thing*

By not replying to me? By not insulting me? By not beeing an arrogant prick? Make your pick...
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 36 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 03-Oct-2004 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Sammy Nordström):
>>Perhaps just your reputation, Sammy? :) It precedes you...
>Perhaps you have preconcieved notions about me because I happen to have a different opinion about
>certain things than you?

...and would it, in that context, be hard to understand why Gunne might misunderstand (if he did) you? As of late, you have contributed to more than one Pegasos or MorphOS related thread with negative energy, even if the thread before that had been nothing but positive. You certainly let your feelings of everything Genesi show and make them no secret.

Again, in that context, is it hard to understand why Gunne might misunderstand you (if he even did so)?

>>*how does one stop this thing*
>By not replying to me? By not insulting me? By not beeing an arrogant prick? Make your pick...

Okay, okay... I can see why my attempt at humour may have been a bit hard to decipher. :) Was my comment intentional? Sure. Was it meant to be insulting or more of a friendly jibe? The latter.

Given your very often patronizing commentary to other people (marked distinctively by your fondness of ending sentences with "see?" or "you know?"), I just found your jibe at Gunne fitting the pattern well and decided to respond accordingly. I don't know if you notice it yourself, but you have - how should I put it - a quite unique way of presenting yourself. And not one that can espace attempts at humour, it seems, as I'm not the only one. You post so often and so much, that patterns are bound to emerge.

At least I didn't, directly or indirectly, call anyone an arrogant prick, though.

(Disclaimer: This comment is by no means meant to imply that I have never made patronizing comments or that I don't make patronzing comments. It is just an explanation of a joke I made based on patterns I see in Sammy's frequent posting. As is often the case with humour, explaining it kind of ruins the joke. That is to be expected now as well. Not that there was much of a joke to begin with. I'm not quitting my day job.)
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 37 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Janne):
What you think of the person asking questions shouldn't affect the way you answer the questions, IMO. Especially not if you're replying in public where more than just the one asking the question will read the answer.

And yes, searching for patterns in order to categorize individuals and then treat them based on the way you've decided to treat that category of individuals is arrogant, IMO. The fact that I've strongly criticized certain parties before is irrelevant, the questions I asked were not prejudgemental and it was a fair chance for Gunne to dispel possible rumours before they were started.

You really shouldn't let your own percieved notions or opinions about people's character affect your performance as a professional like that.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 38 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 03-Oct-2004 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
"companies usually doesnt configure and set up their firewall from scratch,"

Hmmm If you just want an easy firewall why go for this instead of a cheap SOC based Linksys(Cisco are swapping Linksys stuff out for free at the moment as well IIRC) product?

The SOC based systems max out at clocks of about 200MHz which means they have quite poor throughput on heavy encryption and filtering. So a system like this is *perfect*, I just can't see it making a huge impact because there are already lots of established companies producing very similar systems often quite cheaply (Highly integrated vs. a motherboard in a small box) and with stuff like internal 10/100/1000mbit switches.
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 39 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2004 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (corpse):
The great thing about the Crabfire will be simply;

* Easy to configure Web GUI for all aspects of the box
* Great opportunities for vectorisation in IPSec which haven't been taken -
and no SoC router on the planet which has AltiVec :)

Once the new chips from Freescale arrive and allow this same software in a
smaller form factor, the market can only expand. The competition right now
is fierce, but that hardly stopped ShopIP from trying to compete with Cisco,
did it?

Neko
Genesi Scandinavia presents the CrabFire Multi-purpose Firewall : Comment 40 of 40ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 04-Oct-2004 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Neko):
"* Easy to configure Web GUI for all aspects of the box"

Just like any enterprise class system then? It's not that hard to install webmin on a DIY setup either ...

"* Great opportunities for vectorisation in IPSec which haven't been taken -
and no SoC router on the planet which has AltiVec :)"

The problem is SoC's are getting cheaper and faster, I've seen decent IPsec throughput on a crappy £60 router, having AltiVec isn't an issue really.. why consider a "expensive" box made by some unknowns when you can pick up a solution from one of the big vendors for less? I don't want to be a downer, but surely the boat has been long missed, lot's of out-of-the-box thinking has to be done IMHO otherwise the pegasos series is doomed to being a hobby, router or setup top box.
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