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So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 1 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 03-Oct-2004 16:32 GMT
It's nice to see Eyetech is being honest and cares for its customers for once.

At least they would be if the text wasnt meant to be secret and confidential.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 2 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Bobson on 03-Oct-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Tryo):
You miss the point - it was posted to the AmigaOne forum which only AmigaOne owners have access to. The information contained is relevant to AmigaOne users. It cant be thought of as a secret for the simple reason that Eyetech have not hidden anything from those who really need to know - the Amiga One owners.

They do care about their customers - they posted there for the simple reason that on here the signal to noise ratio will be quite high. People like you will twist this for flame fuel.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 3 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 03-Oct-2004 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Bobson):
> People like you will twist this for flame fuel.

I really doubt it. It stands for itself.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 4 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 17:00 GMT
I think it's pretty revealing how Alan and how Genesi deal with such problems: one side says: told you so, beta board, your bad luck, a hardware fix is too troublesome, we can't be bothered, you gambled with your 800$ in full knowledge of potential problems, and please don't post on ann. Genesi on the other hand develops a whole new chip, mega-expensive (more expensive than the board, it was said), swaps boards for free and even carries them through Europe to Amiga events to save users postage costs. Of course in the end everybody reaps what they sow: Genesi has stabilized their reputation, the did pop up on the radar screens of Freescale.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 5 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 03-Oct-2004 17:04 GMT
There were (except for the Mac) little to none PPC boards available - and it seems, pioneers always have rough times - some more than others.

However, as the initial post shows, the AmigaONE is out in the wild and open, with loyal, less loyal, satisfied, unsatisfied users. However I'm against reposting confidental information publically, even if there is no law preventing one to do so. However I admit, he/she paid the price for his/her board.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 6 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 03-Oct-2004 17:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
And they deliver bad boards (or bad CPUs) but as nobody cares about them, no information reaches us. That's all...
You'll probably ask for a proof. If I give one, everybody will say I wouldn't have to, and if I don't give one, you'll say that it's not true.
Now believe me, I don't care what you think.

Thanks
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 7 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 17:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Emeric SH):
> There were (except for the Mac) little to none PPC boards available

Well, there is a decent board now, it seems. It's called Pegasos 2 and no law forbids to compile OS4 so that it runs on a functional PPC mainboard. That must be a managable effort, considering the large number of Pegasos Linux ports. Ironically, the whole Licensing Scheme originally was justified as a measure of quality assurance. Doesn't seem to work.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 8 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2004 17:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Quality is relative :)

Pegasos users who want OS4 please feel free to nag Amiga, KMOS or whatever
for a port to Pegasos, and Genesi will support any positive decision on their
part as much as possible, and with bundling opportunities on the Genesi store
and via the reseller network.

Neko
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 9 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 03-Oct-2004 17:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
"I think it's pretty revealing how Alan and how Genesi deal with such problems:"

If you remember, the April fix was made at a time when Genesi had cash in their pocket. I don't think Eyetech ever had that much money available. For instance, Alan never went around hiring people, nor did he put on shows with a dozen computers running.

The whole AmigaOne/AOS4 project is running on a shoestring, which is why it is taking so long. (But then so is Longhorn.)
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 10 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 17:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Elwood):
I really don't know if it's Eyetech or Genesi you are talking about, and it doesn't matter, becuase you are talking about a whole different thing. What you are talking about is a few specimen of CPU's and motherboards were dysfunctional when they arrived to customers, but that can happen. It happens everywhere, not only in computer and electronic industry. And even if quality checks are thorough, things may actually broke during storage, transportation and careless assembly by un-experienced end-users who believes they are more clever than they really are when it comes to putting together HW pieces into a complete computer (static electricity, etc).

But this is a whole different thing, this is about a motherboard whose design has not been tested well enough, but is sold to end-users nevertheless, and when problems are discovered they are only discussed on closed lists and publically it's said "what, we told you that it was not ready for end-users, you took a risc and you knew it"!
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 11 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 17:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
"If you remember, the April fix was made at a time when Genesi had cash in their pocket. I don't think Eyetech ever had that much money available."

Perhaps they shouldn't have undertaken a project of this magnitude if they had no means from the beginning to handle it correct?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 12 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 03-Oct-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Don Cox):
"The whole AmigaOne/AOS4 project is running on a shoestring, which is why it is taking so long. (But then so is Longhorn.)"

So, Longhorn is on a shoestring budget? :)
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 13 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 03-Oct-2004 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Emeric SH):
They have bigger shoes so they need more string.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 14 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 03-Oct-2004 18:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
And what do you think about Genesi that don't tell publically that a Peg1 + April does'nt fix the DMA problem.
What I mean is simply that you can't say "Eyetech is bad but not Genesi". Period.

And you don't even tell us your name... :-/
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 15 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Oken on 03-Oct-2004 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Neko):
> Pegasos users who want OS4 please feel free to nag Amiga, KMOS or whatever
> for a port to Pegasos


Genesi, do you hear that? We want OS4 for Pegasos. Can you cooperate with Amiga company like Hyperion?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 16 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 03-Oct-2004 18:20 GMT
Hopefully they'll test the MicroA1's before selling them.

Given that it only has 1 PCI slot, the solution of replacing broken stuff on the mobo with PCI cards won't be an option.

It was always said by Alan that the only difference between these Earlybird boards and the final A1 was the ROM, so he's a bit off the mark with his "you all knew you were buying an unknown, untested board and taking a risk" stuff.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 17 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by minator on 03-Oct-2004 18:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Emeric SH):
>So, Longhorn is on a shoestring budget? :)

I don't think so...

Longhorn is said to be costing more than what it cost to put man on the moon - and they're not even delivering the full spec.

They could of course save themselves the effort by going down the local shop and buying a copy of OS X...
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 18 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 03-Oct-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (minator):
"They could of course save themselves the effort by going down the local shop and buying a copy of OS X..."

I bet they could even get away with selling it for some extra - and there would be ppl. who would buy it without questions. But well, that's how the world goes around :)
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 19 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Oct-2004 18:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
Elwood wrote:
> And what do you think about Genesi that don't tell publically that a
> Peg1 + April does'nt fix the DMA problem.

It doesn't? Please provide instructions for how to trigger it with Peg
1 + April2. I have one here, ready for the test. For the moment, I'm
only interested in tests for MorphOS however, as I don't have any
Linux installation and not enough time to make one during the next few
weeks. But if it is a hardware issue, it should be reproducable using
all OSes, of course.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 20 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 03-Oct-2004 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Johan Rönnblom):
I just know that it's more rare with April 1 and even more rare with April 2 but they still happen. I don't know more, I don't have a Peg.

BTW, this information comes from long time MOS users.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 21 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 19:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
> What I mean is simply that you can't say "Eyetech is bad but not Genesi". Period.

Eyetech lied to their customers, Genesi didnt. Eyetech is nothing but yet another Amiga Inc fraud.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 22 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 03-Oct-2004 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Elwood):
I'm a long time MOS user and I have never heard anyone claim this.

It seems to me that you are only spreading rumours which cannot be
controlled. This is not very nice. You should either provide a
detailed explanation for how to reproduce the problem, or at least
point me to first hand accounts of how and when it occurs, or you
should stop spreading malicious rumours about fictional
problems designed to detract from the real problems with Eyetech's
hardware.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 23 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 19:34 GMT
Are AdmV and Adam Kowalczyk:
http://www.imio.pw.edu.pl/en/wwwvlsi/cad/people/ak/
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 24 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Adam Kowalczyk on 03-Oct-2004 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
That is not me. My family came to Canada after WWII, but was originally from Poland. My grandfather who, was originally from Warsaw, met my grandmother in a camp in Germany occupied by Canadian forces. My grandmother was born in a town called Lvov which was a part of Poland, but is now in the Ukraine.

The surname "Kowalczyk" originated around Warsaw several hundred years ago and the best english translation would be "Smith". It's possible there is a family connection going far enough back, but as it is a pretty common name in that area of Poland.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 25 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 03-Oct-2004 20:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Oken):
HELLO? If I didn't think Genesi would support it, I wouldn't have said it.. being part of the company kind of has that responsibility attached.

We've always said we'd work with those guys. So far it's been a one-sided story - we have the platform, they don't want to use it. If they want to use it they can ask. We just gave away 40 machines at SNDF and 60 more are going out to OS developers, application developers and a lot more besides.

We're a hardware company - with a goal to facilitate the running of as many operating systems as possible to give our customers a broad set of options.

If you want OS4 on Pegasos, you have to make it viable for Amiga, KMOS, Eyetech, Hyperion or whoever. That means showing them there will be a lot of sales.

The sales of the Pegasos and it's new popularity in the PowerPC market are hardly best kept secrets.. remember it's not our remit to pay Hyperion to port anything, they'll get their money from sales of Pegasos machines bundled with OS4. If they don't think they can make any money this way, they have no reason to make the effort, and we have no reason to force the issue regardless.

Please encourage them if you think it's needed :)

As for technical aspects, the 8231 southbridge is superficially different to the 686B, the northbridge and memory controller are configured by the firmware, docs for the gigabit ethernet are available directly from Marvell (you can drop our names if you are serious). You can lock down OS4 to the machine by tying it to the firmware - it's hardly likely you will find another machine that reports it's a bPlan Pegasos running SmartFirmware when asked. The Pegasos port of OS4 would be a snap, and I don't mean that as a pun..

Neko
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 26 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Is it better to do like Genesi and spend money to the point of not beeing able to pay your employees anymore? Is it better to spend your resources on legal action against a company that doesn't even possess anything they need/want? Is it better to spend your money on advertising your products on google when people search for your competitor's employees and trademarks?

Well, they obviously don't have that big pockets anymore so I really hope, for their sake, that they spent what they had wisely...
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 27 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Oct-2004 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Oken):
Question is, would Hyperion want to cooperate with Genesi after what they did to Amiga Inc.? I mean, do you really think Hyperion would be interested in signing any form of license agreement with Genesi?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 28 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 03-Oct-2004 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
IMHO this is not a problem.. World is full of hobby.OS:es waiting to be ported by willing hobbyists .. A lot of them are way more adwanced than OS4 and have a considerable larger user base and thus more ports and applications.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 29 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
> And what do you think about Genesi that don't tell publically that a Peg1 + April does'nt fix the DMA problem.

You should be more concerned what I think about people coming up with ad-hoc inventions like this in a discusion ;) Anyway, you are only proving my point: If I had noticed "The DMA Problem", as you put it, I would have entered the Pegasos 2 replacement program. Genesi did take their resposibility towards customers seriously and gave them upgrade options on multiple occasions. They didn't duck behind paper-thin excuses and didn't insult my intelligence with the Let's Blame it on VIA dance. Another thought: I don't find it acceptable to give a physical product beta status over a long time: Manufacturers should not be allowed to skedaddle out of the usual legal obligations designed to protect customers. They must provide a product that works as advertised. If they say beta, it must mean "it may not work in some respects and we might have to take it back and fix it". It must not mean: you bought it, you knew what you did, don't bother us about it. Otherwise, everybody would just sell beta products. Have you ever seen a beta car or a beta fridge or a beta desk?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 30 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 03-Oct-2004 20:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
Addendum: *IF* AmigaOS4 ever becomes decent seller (like 100 thousand copies) and it'll get proper application base developed/ported.. THEN it might be worth of discussion. But at the moment, it's not worth it.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 31 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
I don't understand why you talk about the Pegasos 1 instead of the Pegasos 2. The Pegasos 1 was discontinued and is computer history now. Besides, I don't really know what you are talking about here. Genesi was very open about all problems related to their Pegasos 1 hardware, which is essential if you want to build confidence, and they tried many ways to make it work. The April made the Pegasos 1 work fine, without any need of hardcoding cache flushing into the operating systems or any other software workarounds. Linux PPC works FINE on the Pegasos 1. The April solution was mighty expensive, but it worked. However, there is a limit to how much you can "patch", you can for instance not bring functions not there in the first place, and based on the Articia there was a narrow limit of how good the Pegasos could get (the Articia simply can't live up to its promised features and performance in real life use). While the Pegasos 1 was WORKING FINE under these circumstances, it would be extremely expensive to manufacture it that way, especially with G4's, so THEY DISCONTINUED THE PEG1, they developed a Pegasos 2 based on another Northbridge, and they made A GENEROUS UPGRADE OFFER to everyone interested.

Recap:

1) Genesi develops the Pegasos 1. It's not working properly, so they spend lots of time and money to research the errors.

2) They develops the April 1, and offer all their customers to get this patch for free. They are VERY OPEN about all this! However, the Pegasos still can't live up to their demands, so

3) They develop the April 2. They are still very open about it. They even manage to get G4 working now, but only in certain randomly matched CPU/Articia pairs. The situation is not acceptable, which they again are very open about, and they begin developing the Pegasos 2 based on an entirely different NorthBridge. People are offered to upgrade.

4) When the Pegasos 2 gets here, all strange hardware problems is magically gone!

How did Eyetech handle the Amiga One SE situation?

Look, I am not saying that any of the two is "bad" as you put it, but I spot a great difference between them. I will follow with great interest how they will handle THIS situation before I make finally up my mind about "bad" ...
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 32 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
Besides, there can be bugs in both hardware and in the OS. AFAIK MorphOS had a known bug, which was not present in Linux. Unlike the situation for Amiga One, The Pegasos 1 runs more than one OS just fine. You may spot OS related bugs that way. Tell your "long time MOS user" to try Linux on his box in the same way, and chances are that the bug you might be talking about simply is not present anymore, who knows ...
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 33 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Oct-2004 21:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
"Is it better to do like Genesi and spend money to the point of not beeing able to pay your employees anymore?"

AFAIK they are paying the employees working for them. Do you know different?

"Is it better to spend your resources on legal action against a company that doesn't even possess anything they need/want?"

Since they did a lot of work themselves on the court case they spent a very limited amount of resources on it. The bottomline reason to why they did it was because they felt Amiga Inc had breached a signed contract. They would perhaps have let it slipped, if it wouldn't have been because they felt the situation where Amiga Inc officers publically and repeatedly accused them of stealing property was intolerable. Amiga Inc actually brought it onto themselves, it was their own fault, and it turned out that Genesi became the winners in the end, in two ways, 1) they silenced the Amiga Inc officers lunatic ravings, and 2) Any question marks about the contract was ironed out and Amiga Inc was ordered by court to comply with the ironed out version. So I guess it was worth the small resources it cost them ...

"Is it better to spend your money on advertising your products on google when people search for your competitor's employees and trademarks?"

Spending money!?? Haha, the google thing was a gag for a dollar, nothing else. Hint: If you let that get to you as anything else as the joke it was, then you need to get out more. Seriously!

"Well, they obviously don't have that big pockets anymore so I really hope, for their sake, that they spent what they had wisely..."

You know NOTHING about Genesi's pockets! It's never easy when crisis happens, and it takes some very tough (and WISE as you put it) decisions to ride out a storm. Obviously they spent the money they had at the time VERY WISELY, since they now have got through it and set sails again. If they hadn't done what they did at the time, if they hadn't made those tough decisions that they got so much flak for, there would have been no Genesi, no Pegasos, no nothing today. So yes, I think they were very wise.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 34 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 03-Oct-2004 22:23 GMT
Mmmmmm!.

I love the smell of ...
"a total and compelling Amiga experience",
"a platform where both users and developers are guaranteed not just a quality product but a total quality experience as well",
"a strict set of Quality Assurance certifications",
"championing the cause of quality for the consumer and will ensure that substandard products do not make it into the Amiga market where they can do irreparable damage to the reputation of the platform",
"a full customer solution, with guarantees on product quality, delivery, and most important of all post sales support, with firm commitments to repair, replacement and turnaround",
and
"professionalism and responsibility where the needs of the customer are paramount"
... in the morning.

I distinctly recall that some people actually believed this bullshit and made it part (the only part, in most cases) of their own argumentation. Are these people still around? Are they possibly the same people that have believed in all the contradicting or just plain bizarre explanations and PR from Eyetech over the years?

The Amiga died a frigging decade ago. Now would someone bloody put this goddamn "new Amiga hardware" joke out of its misery, along with these remnant scammers of the "Amiga market"!
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 35 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 04-Oct-2004 01:28 GMT
O.k. sending every A1-owner such an IDE-card (assuming that would really fix the issue)
would cost Alan something like 20000 $, and the argument is that he can't finance it.

Yet he was and still is babbling about producing the A1-Mikro in batches of 10000 and
selling them into China. One such batch would require an upfront investment of about
2-5 million $. Somehow that doesn't add.

He should take his reponsibilty towards his paying costumers serious, but that is what
you get when someone with limited tech-knowledge and a "shoe-string budget" wants
to play big boy.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 36 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Oct-2004 03:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Seehund):
/me waits impatiently to get my hands on one of those Merlancia Industries MMC Toro Series-mobo =)
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 37 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by drHirudo on 04-Oct-2004 03:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (JoannaK):
Addendum: *IF* MorphOS ever becomes decent seller (like 100 thousand copies) and it'll get proper application base developed/ported.. THEN it might be worth of discussion. But at the moment, it's not worth it.</sarcasm>
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 38 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 04-Oct-2004 03:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
No, I think you have plaved an unfair situation on this Polish Gentlemen. You should perhaps withdraw the suggestion. I have my own rep that is usually not well recieved, and as such, others should'nt get tagged for it.

To all intents and purposes, it does'nt matter who I am, I'm not trying to sell something to you, or rip you off.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 39 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-Oct-2004 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
There could be (there would need to be) a third party to handle all affairs.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 40 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 04-Oct-2004 05:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Anonymous):
Posted by Anonymous (200.48.218.178) on 03-Oct-2004 21:03:16
In Reply to Comment 14 (Elwood):
> What I mean is simply that you can't say "Eyetech is bad but not Genesi". Period.

Eyetech lied to their customers, Genesi didnt. Eyetech is nothing but yet another Amiga Inc fraud.
________________

Not only.
While Eyetech continues to sell a BUGGED crap dongle, in these 2 years Genesi and Bplan DEVELOPED a new wonderfull board called Pegasos 2 (while they could continue to sell Peg1 + aprils ...)
NOt only, I was able to obtain in 2 years a fixed Pegasos1 with Apr 1 & 2 (GRATIS) ... and than for 100E and exchange of Pegasos1 with a Pegasos2 (that is a far superior product compared to Mai chipset ones ... Freescale shows this reality ... and Freescale is Motorola, not two childs that distributed a renamed Theron board).
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 41 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 04-Oct-2004 05:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Sammy Nordström):
Posted by Sammy Nordström (213.114.41.21) on 03-Oct-2004 22:41:18
In Reply to Comment 15 (Oken):
Question is, would Hyperion want to cooperate with Genesi after what they did to Amiga Inc.? I mean, do you really think Hyperion would be interested in signing any form of license agreement with Genesi?

__________

I hope no.
Aos4 is so behind and useless compared to Morphos that I cannot see any boost to Pegasos systems for the avaiability of Aos4
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 42 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 04-Oct-2004 05:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
While the Pegasos 1 was WORKING FINE under these circumstances, it would be extremely expensive to manufacture it that way, especially with G4's, so THEY DISCONTINUED THE PEG1, they developed a Pegasos 2 based on another Northbridge, and they made A GENEROUS UPGRADE OFFER to everyone interested.
___________

Plenty subscribe.
Not only ... I was able to use an Os like MOs during these years, not only Linux like on Aone
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 43 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Oken on 04-Oct-2004 05:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Neko):
> As for technical aspects

Hyperion has the best of the best amiga programmers. They can make AmigaOS 4 for Pegasos in two months without any technical problem.

But can you ensure that Genesi will pay 100 euro for every Pegasos sold with AmigaOS?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 44 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-Oct-2004 05:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Eva):
"a new wonderfull board called Pegasos 2"

What's so wonderfull in it?
It mainly has JUST a different northbridge and gigabit ethernet.

"NOt only, I was able to obtain in 2 years a fixed Pegasos1 with Apr 1 & 2 (GRATIS)"

That is great service I admit.

"(that is a far superior product compared to Mai chipset ones ..."

What so superior in it?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 45 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Oken on 04-Oct-2004 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
> Aos4 is so behind and useless compared to Morphos that I cannot see
> any boost to Pegasos systems for the avaiability of Aos4

Maybe Aos4 is behind Morphos but most Amiga users want Aos4 not Morphos. Do you think Genesi should sell Pegasos only for Linux users and sometimes for Morphos users and shouldn't sell for Amiga users?
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 46 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-Oct-2004 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Eva):
"Aos4 is so behind and useless compared to Morphos that I cannot see any boost to Pegasos systems for the avaiability of Aos4"

A week ago I used them both and saw the latest betas of both.

They both are stable and usable (to an Amigan, useless for the rest of the world). MOS has been out longer and therefore it has better selection of apps currently.

So, do not fool yourself.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 47 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 04-Oct-2004 05:51 GMT
Oken, Priest

She is waving the bait in front of you.. it doesn't mean you have to bite it. Let it go, ignore.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 48 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Oct-2004 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
"Perhaps they shouldn't have undertaken a project of this magnitude if they had no means from the beginning to handle it correct?"

I'm sure lots of people would say it was madness to try to revive the Amiga. I think it was worth a try.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 49 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 04-Oct-2004 05:53 GMT
How can one know something shit has happened to AOS(or A1) fans?

Eva pops up.
So the World May Know: To all AmigaOne board owners : Comment 50 of 113ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 04-Oct-2004 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (JoannaK):
"IMHO this is not a problem.. World is full of hobby.OS:es waiting to be ported by willing hobbyists .. A lot of them are way more adwanced than OS4 and have a considerable larger user base and thus more ports and applications."

But they all seem to be minor variants of Unix.

An OS whose programs are all ports seems pointless to me. The point about AmigaOS is that it is not a Unix derivative, and it has software of its own.
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