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Posted on 04-Oct-2004 15:35 GMT by Emil 'opi' Oppeln Bronikowski35 comments
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In this interview Gentoo developer, Pieter Van den Abeele mentions PegasosPPC. But I bet there's few people who will say: there's no connection between Genesi and Freescale. ;-) Article quote: Our mindshare is definitely growing leaps. Just recently we gained a lot of mindshare by making all our PowerPC products natively compatible with Pegasos PowerPC Systems. Freescale semiconductor, (a subsidiary of Motorola Inc.) has donated ten Open Desktop Workstations to this cause. Gentoo is obviously quite popular on these machines because our product, unlike other Linux distributions, just works on them.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma (Registered user) on 04-Oct-2004 13:37 GMT
Wow, very nice! Setting sail again, ship ohoy! :-)
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 04-Oct-2004 14:17 GMT
"Freescale semiconductor, (a subsidiary of Motorola Inc.) has donated ten Open Desktop Workstations to this cause. Gentoo is obviously quite popular on these machines because our product, unlike other Linux distributions, just works on them."

What does this mean? Other Linux distro's don't work flawlessly on the Pegasos?
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Posted by opi (212.191.172.11) on 04-Oct-2004 14:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
> Other Linux distro's don't work flawlessly on the Pegasos?
They are. He just advert his fav. distribution. :->
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 04-Oct-2004 14:21 GMT
Oh, and congrats to all Pegasos users that their Linuxbox is gaining acceptance in the linux world...

Never bothered to run linux on my Amiga tho....I'll stick with AmigaOS, so I don't know if Linux is that good to leave AmigaOS.
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice (67.68.128.250) on 04-Oct-2004 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
it's also on OSNEWS.

Now if only Genesi would bring out faster G4s, I'd put in an order for a Pegasus. ;)
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Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 04-Oct-2004 15:50 GMT
>>But I bet there's few people who will say: there's no connection between Genesi and Freescale. ;-)


I don't see a connection. Move along people. Nothing to see here.

:)
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.199.15) on 04-Oct-2004 16:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
IMHO Linux ain't for me.. Not personal enough... I see Linux as a nice way to mass-market hardware (and thus make it a bit less expensive) and it's OK for servers etc...
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 04-Oct-2004 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Anonymous):
If you have more than one computer and/or broad band Internet you would probably sooner or later realize that the life will get a lot easier if you have a server of some kind. Linux is a great server OS!
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 04-Oct-2004 16:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
"What does this mean? Other Linux distro's don't work flawlessly on the Pegasos?"

Sure they do! :-) Official support from Debian, Gentoo, Yellow Dog Linux, Crux PPC etc, but the list of perfect running Linux Distros doesn't stop there! :-)
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Posted by Darth_X (Registered user) on 04-Oct-2004 18:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Agima):
I've heard of the phrase "blind leading the blind" before
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Posted by Agima (199.2.42.221) on 04-Oct-2004 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Darth_X):
>>I've heard of the phrase "blind leading the blind" before

You have? And?
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Posted by gary_c (61.195.38.134) on 05-Oct-2004 01:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Agima):
At the risk of feeding a known troll:

>>But I bet there's few people who will say: there's no connection between Genesi and Freescale. ;-)

I don't see a connection. Move along people. Nothing to see here.

:)


Freescale Semiconductor, formerly Motorola's semiconductor division, is the biggest single purchaser of Genesi Pegasos systems (systems, not just motherboards, so the income is extra-juicy). Freescale has placed these in their facilities in various places worldwide as well as *giving them* to other developers (MorphOS as well as Linux and others). This has been a great new source of income for Genesi, and in the bargain, has facilitated distro ports and other software development. Genesi, of course, has new earnings available to underwrite MorphOS development as well as to cover hardware production and promotion costs. All upside, no downside -- a means to addressing problems we discussed recently in another thread, right? Maybe your smiley meant you knew all this already, but there it is again, just in case....

-- gary_c
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 05-Oct-2004 04:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (gary_c):
"Genesi, of course, has new earnings available to underwrite MorphOS development as well as to cover hardware production and promotion costs."

And may also develop NEW hardware! :-)
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 05:42 GMT
Linux this, linux that.....The Pegasos has finally found his home: Linux !!
Now it's time that the Pegasos users leave the Amiga alone and call their hardware what it deserves: A linux box.

No "amiga spirit" or "natural amiga successor" anywhere near.

Genesi doesn't even talk about MorphOS anymore other then a little sidenote : Oh, it runs MorphOS too.
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Posted by o1i (Registered user) on 05-Oct-2004 05:51 GMT
@all Linux bashers:

Linux is great. You can't compare AmigaOS x.x or MorphOS
with it. And without Linux, at the moment there would not
be much development on Amiga compatibles at all. Most
of the big projects are cross compiled on linux boxes.
AROS started it's life on top of linux and I bet,
a complete build of OS4 also works best under Linux.

Maybe it's not your favourite desktop OS, but it
definately is the best development environment around
at the moment. Even for Amiga binaries.

And of course it makes sense, to sell linux boxes.
This is s chance to extend (well, better create) a
market. I would never buy such a machine, if I could
not run a second OS on it, which will be supported
longer, than the current company owning the rights
of the OS exists.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 05-Oct-2004 06:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
Wow, I sense some great jelousy here! This is the third post in this thread with the same spin. Are you the one spawning similar nonsence over at amigaworld.net too?

As you already know (while you desperately are trying to make it look otherwise) Genesi is as determined to MorphOS as always. On-line they are promoting MorphOS in all possible ways they can - they are mentioning MorphOS in close to all press releases, they are currently running support sites, both for users and developers, and community forums in the sign of MorphOS, they even have MorphOS mentioned at IBM and Freescale sites, etc. They showed MorphOS at the SNDF Europe, as they are showing it off EVERYWHERE they go, and from what I hear, people were REALLY interested in it. Genesi also ships MorphOS with all machines, including those 40+60 Open Desktop Worksations that Freescale is sponsoring PPC developers with.

However, MorphOS is still under development and not quite ready for prime time just yet. MorphOS does not pay any bills and future hardware/sofware development. Linux does. Most sales of the Pegasos motherboards are to the Linux markets today, and it is a GREAT thing to actually have a market (the Amiga One has none, and I guess that is what makes you so jellous/desperate to post nonsense like this). This is nothing but a positive thing, and your desperate attempt to put a negative spin onto it is quite pathetic and transparent, and I believe most of the people here would agree with that.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.50) on 05-Oct-2004 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (o1i):
"I would never buy such a machine, if I could
not run a second OS on it, which will be supported
longer, than the current company owning the rights
of the OS exists."

Yeah, having some well established and well supported OS to fall back upon is a good thing (tm). It only brings additional value to the hardware platform. It makes it possible to use the hardware in lots of additional ways. It also brings safety to a prospective buyer in a way that "well if everything goes wrong with that OS - I will at least always have this". I completely fail to see how this could possibly be a bad thing at all, it's a GREAT thing!
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 06:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Hi bill buck, talking in the third person?
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
Oh and by the way, there's absolutely no jealousy involved, I'm just making fun of the Pegasos users, you know the ones who called the AmigaONE a LinuxONE and ending up with a Linux box themselves.

Oh no, how could I forget:
<PR mode on> We are targetting towards running as much Operating Systems on the Pegasos as possible <PR mode off>

translated with the bullsh.. erm PR filter on:
"We want to make money, so we have no other choice then to run as much Linux distro's on the Pegasos as possible, who's interested in that HobbyOS(tm) apart from some RS zealots anyway. The "interest" from the audience after showing some slides is pure politeness and americanism (this means: "cheering for everything").

Oh an every one is "interested" in AmigaOS4 too. But "interested" alone will not make you any money.

And about the mature part, if it's maturing as fast as a certain manager of a certain compagny then the "interest" will be faded away long before.
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Posted by Anonymous (213.226.84.67) on 05-Oct-2004 07:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
"Linux One"? That must have been long before it became obvious to everyone that the Amiga One simply can not run Linux in a satisfactory way. As you very well know, most Pegasos owners IN THIS community (there are others forming) is primarly interested in MorphOS, but I really can't see what the crime is in being interested in Linux as well (as a home server perhaps?), as well as the well being and future development of the Pegasos hardware platform?

Your desperation really shines through here, and I think its really sad to see you posting this way. Of course Genesi has to make money, without money everything will stop. And don't for a minute believe that the situation will be any different for Eyetech. They will need to start making real money too at some point, and they simply won't make all the money they need on OS4 based A1 sales alone. They will have to go the Linux route as well, and believe me, they would have done that a long time ago if there would have been a Linux route for them to go. But there isn't. IF they manage to get a special version of Yellow Dog running, hardcoded for all the "special features" of the A1, and decide to try make some real money to be able to develop new products, will you be here doing similar mocking posts then?
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Posted by Hagge (194.103.185.10) on 05-Oct-2004 08:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
"And may also develop NEW hardware! :-)"

I feel sad for Genesi, to get costumers they need software, and the software has to run on some kind of hardware, so they make it.
But since the hardware lacks software not many people buy it. Sooner or later there exists a little more of software, but then the hardware is considered old so they need new one.

The problem of course is all of it costs money and without a modern cheap system with software it's hard to make any. I to would like to see a faster more modern system, but on the other hand I do understand they can't make new modells every third month because that would cost way more than they get.

Anyway, I really hope they make it.
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 08:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
"Your desperation really shines through here"

LOL! Well, if you can't tell the difference between sarcasm and desperation then I might sound desperate to you.

But in the mean while, i'm laughing quite loud about the Pegasos becoming more and more Linux only....
It's only a matter of time that RS and his buddies understand that Bill Buck is here for the money and don't give a sh|t about MorphOS.

Statements like "The official MorphOS team" we're some weak first signs of the inevitable.

And in the mean while I keep on laughing, and watching AmigaOS4 getting better and better. Not that MorphOS is bad, it just ain't AmigaOS and that what's keeping it for what it is: A hobbyOS(tm).

So i'll keep on laughing and you keep on getting excited over all these Linux announcements. ;-)
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Posted by Hagge (194.103.185.10) on 05-Oct-2004 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
"Yeah, having some well established and well supported OS to fall back upon is a good thing (tm). It only brings additional value to the hardware platform. It makes it possible to use the hardware in lots of additional ways. It also brings safety to a prospective buyer in a way that "well if everything goes wrong with that OS - I will at least always have this". I completely fail to see how this could possibly be a bad thing at all, it's a GREAT thing!"

I don't want Linux thought, I want any of the BSDs as backup plan.
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Posted by Hagge (194.103.185.10) on 05-Oct-2004 08:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
"Oh and by the way, there's absolutely no jealousy involved, I'm just making fun of the Pegasos users, you know the ones who called the AmigaONE a LinuxONE and ending up with a Linux box themselves."

Well, the pegasos is an "amigasystem" which runs morphos, and you can also run Linux on it for whatever purpose morphos doesn't fit.
The amigaone on the other hand only run Linux, and was therefor an incredible expensive bad design piece of shit linux box. And the worst thing is that when AmigaOS actually runs on the hardware it's 2 years old or so, and 3 years to late.

If I bought a product like the amigaone i would be expecting to be able to run amigaos, and if it was delayed all the time i would blame the damn company and try to be compensated. To bad noone handles the stuff since it's all splitted. Who to blame? Amiga? Eyetech? Hyperion? No, not a single one of them.
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 08:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Hagge):
LOL! So you would actually have an OS 1 year before the hardware gets released. ;-)

Excuse me for rather having the hardware and run some other OS in the meanwhile....
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Posted by minator (81.48.12.157) on 05-Oct-2004 08:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
>Oh and by the way, there's absolutely no jealousy involved, I'm just making fun of the Pegasos users,
>you know the ones who called the AmigaONE a LinuxONE and ending up with a Linux box themselves.

>Oh no, how could I forget:
><PR mode on> We are targetting towards running as much Operating Systems on the Pegasos
>as possible <PR mode off>

>translated with the bullsh.. erm PR filter on:
>"We want to make money, so we have no other choice then to run as much Linux distro's on
>the Pegasos as possible, who's interested in that HobbyOS(tm) apart from some RS zealots
>anyway. The "interest" from the audience after showing some slides is pure politeness
>and americanism (this means: "cheering for everything").

Not all computer users are interested in MorphOS, Ex-Amiga users may be but beyond that it's going to be a much harder sell.
There are many different OSs and variations thereof out there and each has it's own band of followers, they're often aimed for different purposes than desktop systems so are often not even in competition with MorphOS, supporting them builds a market for the Pegasos, not doing so only means it's not reaching it's potential. If the Pegasos is to get down to PC level prices it needs greater volumes, that in turn increases the potential market for MorphOS.

I've always believed that MorphOS and the Pegasos should leave "separate lives", one should not be allowed to constrict the other, by supprting other OSs on Pegasos it gives the company a firm base to work from and this only increases the potential market for MorphOS.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 05-Oct-2004 08:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
>It's only a matter of time that RS and his buddies understand that Bill Buck is here for the money and don't give a sh|t about MorphOS.

Give this man a truckload of sigars! You have finally joined the group of thousands who already knew Buck is trying to run a business and make money, not do volunteerwork for a hobby-os for the rest of his life.
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Posted by Neko (Registered user) on 05-Oct-2004 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
> Other Linux distro's don't work flawlessly on the Pegasos?

Some other distros do - Debian, YellowDog, Crux etc.

Some other distros don't - Fedora Core (as standard), Mandrake, SuSE, etc.

Considering the ones that don't are the "bigname" ones, and although we have
guys like the ImageInstaller team working to get these available on Pegasos,
they are hardly shipping out of the box with a Pegasos sticker on it (2 that
I mentioned above no longer officially even support PowerPC as a processor)
and that's enough to say they don't really support it.

If you can generate PowerPC binaries for ANY distribution, the first step is
to just replace the kernel with the one from Debian PowerPC - after that the
rest is pretty much just tweaking.

Neko
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis (Registered user) on 05-Oct-2004 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
A Linux box... It is, if you install Linux... As is ANY PC or Mac or anything...
Is my Pegasos 1 a Linux Box? Yes it is, I installed Debian to be able to run
OpenOffice for University stuff. Does it mean that MorphOS doesn't work or
something? Hell no. Nothing else to see in your comment, go to sleep.
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Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
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Posted by Anonymous (212.206.177.237) on 05-Oct-2004 11:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (hooligan/dcs):
Thank you, thank you!

Now let's count the days until the blue side realize that there's no future for MorphOS (aka hobby-os) and stop posting on Amiga forums and websites and start flaming people on SlashDot. THE home for Linux users.
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Posted by opi (217.153.38.234) on 05-Oct-2004 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
By then ,,Amiga'' community will shrink and disappear without any hardware and OS. How long you can live with nostalgia? BTW: have you turn off your DMA while posting this? ;->
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Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 05-Oct-2004 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
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Posted by Jupp3 (193.167.144.30) on 05-Oct-2004 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
>Now it's time that the Pegasos users leave the Amiga alone and call their hardware what it deserves: A linux box.

I'm owner of hardware, I can call "A Linux box" (if I choose to do so) becouse Linux runs without any problems on it. Can you honestly say the same about Teron / A1 boards? :-)
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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen (158.38.62.30) on 05-Oct-2004 12:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Just for the heck of it, I migrated my A1200 (50MHz 68030, 32MB RAM) to gentoo last spring, works very well. :)

Last week I also installed gentoo on my Sharp Zaurus-SL5500, and I also use gentoo on my xbox and epia.. it's very nice with a flexible build system that easily lets me create setups that fullfill _my_ needs :)
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