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A news item on AmigaWorld.net states that Hyperion has released the update of U-Boot to 1.1.1
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Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Impersonation
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 06-Oct-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Coder):
???
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Posted by Coder on 06-Oct-2004 11:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Coder):
Hmmm the first copy cat. That ain't me. But I suspect some people that knew about a certain bet. ;-)

Coder
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Posted by Coder on 06-Oct-2004 11:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rik Sweeney):
That's not me. It turns out this is not the first posted one. Like so many other people, someone else is trying to be me. Makes me wonder who is that desperate wanting to be me?

Coder
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Oct-2004 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Coder):
Bucket envy.
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Posted by Coder on 06-Oct-2004 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
LOL! Seems like it. Anyway I will try to have my name registred so that if I make a post again you can see it's the real one.

Coder
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Posted by Agima on 06-Oct-2004 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Don Cox):
>>Bucket envy.

That's pretty funny :)

@Coder

Yeah, it's the opposit for me. People are always claiming I'm impersonating people. Even though I have a static IP address and every post I've ever made on here shows my handle and that IP address. Oh well.....
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 12:25 GMT
Yawn. Once again the source is not included, and nothing has found its way to the U Boot source tree/CVS.

Yup, Hyperion's childish behavior is GPL compliant in the strictest and most counterproductive interpretation of the GPL... But wouldn't it be nice if Hyperion every once in a while voluntarily gave back to the projects they take advantage of - *without* always finding loopholes and making everything as goddamn difficult and complicated as humanly possible?

It's not good for the U Boot project in general, it's not good for the Teron/A1 and its firmware, which in turn is not good for Teron users, and it sure as hell is not good for Hyperion's image.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Hmmm been a while since we had that old rehash of the GPL flamewar.

Thanks, missed that one.

( and they say the BBC has too many repeats )
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
Try to learn what GPL requires and what it does not. Some trolls here don't seem to understand that GPL just requires that you give source to someone who asks it from you. GPL does not require that you must send modified source to public server etc.

You can decide how you make the source available, and it's perfectly ok to keep source on your own harddrive and only give it to those who ask it.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 12:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
He is still stuck on lesson 1, there is no spoon.

This is chapter 6, there is no need to bitch.
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
You don't read very well, do you?
I didn't say the GPL has been violated.
I said Hyperion consistently chooses the least productive and most complicated approach to the open source idea and GPL compliance. They're doing this despite there being a sourceforge site and a public CVS. So if they're gonna use the usual excuse -- "we don't have the resources to let people freely download the source like they can for most other OSS projects on the planet" -- then they'll look even more pathetic this time.

They delayed an OS dev-pre-early-alpha-whatever release after it allegedly had "gone gold" because they wanted to send it to everyone by snailmail in crystal cases, professionally made CDs and color printing, so any "we lack the resources" or "it's so hard for us" excuses regarding source code availability are always going to be transparent. Are they gonna send the final os4 release with messengers in limos, with CD cases of pure gold?
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Now you are twisting your own words.
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Posted by Danny on 06-Oct-2004 14:33 GMT
If GPL violations are acceptable (like you guys are making out) then it is also acceptable for me to download pirate Amiga software and use it.
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Posted by ece on 06-Oct-2004 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Coder):
Why don´t you ask Mr. Kemp if you can get a Registered User account if it continuous...

To bad that people have so little to do...
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Posted by Coder on 06-Oct-2004 15:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (ece):
The mail has been send. :-)

Coder
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Posted by Bill Toner on 06-Oct-2004 15:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Danny):
>If GPL violations are acceptable (like you guys are making out) then it is also
>acceptable for me to download pirate Amiga software and use it.

Or instead does that make you as bad as the GPL supporters claim GPL violators are? Besides, there's no violation here. Sure, they've chosen a less convenient way of doing things than other GPL product distributors have chosen, but I don't see any actual violation.
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 06-Oct-2004 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Anonymous):
> Yawn. Once again the source is not included, and nothing has found its way to
> the U Boot source tree/CVS.

Last time we tried patches where rejected. We had to modify some of the general files for better operation, and we left a few warnings in the code.

> Yup, Hyperion's childish behavior is GPL compliant in the strictest and most
> counterproductive interpretation of the GPL... But wouldn't it be nice if
> Hyperion every once in a while voluntarily gave back to the projects they take
> advantage of - *without* always finding loopholes and making everything as
> goddamn difficult and complicated as humanly possible?

Read the above, and think before posting idiotic comments. I can't help it if the maintainers reject the patches. We can't do more than to try and submit them.

Apart from the fact that we didn't add anything to the general code that is of any use to another but the AmigaOne part.

> it sure as hell is not good for Hyperion's image.

Think before writing, that would be better for your image. That is, if you wheren't such a coward that you didn't put your name under your posting.
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 06-Oct-2004 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Danny):
> If GPL violations are acceptable (like you guys are making out) then it is also
> acceptable for me to download pirate Amiga software and use it.

Oh no, not again.

Care to show us where we violated the GPL ?
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 06-Oct-2004 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Danny):
> If GPL violations are acceptable (like you guys are making out) then it is also > acceptable for me to download pirate Amiga software and use it.

We aren't violating the GPL, for god's sake. Read it if you don't believe me.

For the 100th time, our patches where rejected for formal reasons by the U-Boot maintainers (formatting, changes in the general part (all #ifdef'ed of course), warnings during compilation which we didn't have time to take out). Period.

We're not going to try and run after them to take it.

Putting the source code on our home page would be a possibility, but peole cna also ask me for it. That will give me the opportunity to warn them about the dangers of messing around with the ROM - if you do something wrong then you can try and find someone with a burner.

Anyone can get the source code from me (just needs to send me a mail). Not that anyone would have ever asked for it.

The whole of this "GPL violation" crap is really ridiculous.
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 06-Oct-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Bill Toner):
>Sure, they've chosen a less convenient way of doing things than other GPL product
> distributors have chosen

There's a simple reason source code is not included: 99.9 % are not interested in the source code.

Putting up the source code now is just additional work. If somebody wants it, write us, and you'll get it. If there wheren't so many nice people who just want the code to piss on our leg, I would probably never have to pack up the source code at all.

The really cool thing is that in all the time we've been active, _I_ personally have never received a request for any U-Boot source code, ever. Neither has Hans-Jörg. So, there's no real interest in getting it, it seems. The only interest seems to be people like our anoynmous troll here who uses interest in the source code as a pretence to drag this issue out again.

@ anonymous
Dear anonymous, the idea of the GPL is to allow people to get the source code to make modifications to it. Of course, the license also allows you to request the source code because you want to print it out an use it as toilet paper. However, that's probably not what the inventors have thought of, don't you think ?
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Posted by Thomas Frieden on 06-Oct-2004 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Thomas Frieden):
> _I_ personally have never received a request for any U-Boot source code, ever.

Uh, sorry, that's not true :( Somebody did get the code from me, but that was ages ago, when it was still called PPCBoot... Sorry, forgot about that...

Doesn't change one thing, though :)
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Oct-2004 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Thomas Frieden):
"Oh no, not again.

Care to show us where we violated the GPL ?"

Man, don't rise to every bait.
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Posted by Don Cox on 06-Oct-2004 17:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Thomas Frieden):
"The really cool thing is that in all the time we've been active, _I_ personally have never received a request for any U-Boot source code, ever. Neither has Hans-Jörg. So, there's no real interest in getting it, it seems."

I think the main reason to request the code would be to keep an archive of Amiga stuff to help in reconstruction if you and Eyetech leave the market (as all owners of the Amiga have so far).
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Posted by ece on 06-Oct-2004 17:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Don Cox):
" Man, don't rise to every bait."

Uuuuuhmmm? mmmmm! zzzzzzzzzzzz...
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Posted by Lasse Bodilsen on 06-Oct-2004 17:22 GMT
On Topic:
Great work Hyperion, it's always nice to see some progress on the A1/OS4 path.

Ot: hmm, Uboot-Toiletpaper, would be rather cool, in a geekish way :-D

/LB
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 06-Oct-2004 17:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Don Cox):
"The really cool thing is that in all the time we've been active, _I_ personally have never received a request for any U-Boot source code, ever. Neither has Hans-Jörg. So, there's no real interest in getting it, it seems."

I think the main reason to request the code would be to keep an archive of Amiga stuff to help in reconstruction if you and Eyetech leave the market (as all owners of the Amiga have so far).

Every time I've had a curiosity, I've had to look at the archaic? version on sourceforge... while, of course, I have no 'right' to the source, not having managed to purchase the hardware that entitles me to receipt of the binary just yet. ;)

It would be a good idea to have it hosted, though, simply because it avoids making things harder on yourselves, and would actually allow whatever small chance there is of reaping the *benefits* of open-source.

For instance, how much noise will there now be if I ask "Is any sort of 686B patch present in this version, or is that all being handled in software?" Much easier, and more in keeping with the "spirit," if everyone can just grep on his own. (Open-source firmware *is* a selling point for the hardware, right? Why Genesi it up?)
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Posted by Neko on 06-Oct-2004 18:30 GMT
If you don't like OpenSource firmwares or the ways your hardware vendor
distributes them, license a commercial firmware solution and write your
own abstraction, init code, and ship it the way you want it..

Neko
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Oct-2004 20:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Agima):
But unlike him, you are a troll. Even bigger a troll that I was 2 years ago...
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Oct-2004 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Danny):
Oh PLEASE! *NOT* another GPL flameware! ARGH!
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Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 22:15 GMT
P E N I S
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Posted by Graham_nli on 06-Oct-2004 23:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Finally some insight in this thread!

Maybe Hyperion should just stick the code in an lha archive on their website and forget about it, lol.
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Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Oct-2004 00:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Thomas Frieden):
Actually, this time you certainly *did* violate the GPL.You are distributing, from your website, an update floppy as well as an update ISO image. Both are distributed in archives containing the binary and a README, nothing else.Nowhere in the distribution is the GPL mentioned. Nowhere in the distribution is a written offer to send source code. And nowhere in the firmware appears to be any text fulfilling obligation 2(c) of the GPL, either (and considering the string "COMMODORE 64 BASIC X2" *is* in there, it can hardly be a space problem).Nowehere in the path from the front page of your website (linked in from the AW news item) all the way to actually downloading is the GPL'ed status of the software mentioned, either.So, once again, righteous indignation is probably not the best reaction to accusations --- *especially* when you *are* guilty as accused. (BTW, Hans-Joerg --- I haven't forgotten your mail, just have been oh so busy recently. I *will* reply one of these days. Short version --- I got the source within a couple of days, as well as an "oops, something went wrong. Will fix ASAP").
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Posted by Kill_Troll on 07-Oct-2004 01:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeah, as always each news about AmigaOne/OS4 we must read this stupid blue (and and not blue) Trolls :-(

I think that the future solution for ANN would be take all user registered

Sorry for mu english
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Posted by ece on 07-Oct-2004 03:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kill_Troll):
Seriosly, I think the future for ANN would be to stop posting news items about OS4.

There´s a few percent on this site that wants god news about it anyway, the rest trolls, and delivers crap in any possible way there is.

We may have a vote, the one who wins, wins ANN. I can´t see any other solution at all can you?
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Oct-2004 04:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Bernie Meyer):
I have to say, they should have learned basics of GPL by now. But.. apparently they don't have time or interest to do things right.
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Posted by priest on 07-Oct-2004 04:57 GMT
Does this firmware support the uA1i model as well?
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Posted by priest on 07-Oct-2004 05:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (JoannaK):
Pouring gasoline into emerging fire?
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Posted by trollfighter on 07-Oct-2004 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (ece):
@ece
>Seriosly, I think the future for ANN would be to stop posting news items about OS4<
Democratie ?
>There´s a few percent on this site that wants god news about it anyway, the rest trolls, and delivers crap in any possible way there is.<
Generally, people who wants good news (and reliable news) about A1/OS4, will go on AW where Hyperion posts regularly !
If you look at those Trolls IP (from a few of those Anonymous), you will find that a lot of them are considered as Spammers by a few web sites, and in fact are not blue or red...
ANN could DENY access to this forums to those IP to start with, the second option would be to have anyone registered which may limit trolling. Unfortunatly, the second option won't suppress it totally (see DummieMaker)...
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 07-Oct-2004 05:20 GMT
I think Christian should ban some IP's which are used regularly. Start with the IP from idiot Bobson and continue banning until he runs out of proxies.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2004 05:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (ece):
Seriously, I think that you should stop thinking.

If The blue side, afterall it was them who "invested" amiga sites, would stop posting on amiga sites, peace will return to amigaland.
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Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2004 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (JoannaK):
I think that YOU should distinguish common customs and what is really required.

I know that everyone includes the source with the binary because everybody else does...But this is not obligatoy.

So grow up, if you are really need this sourcecode then simply ask hyperion for it and they'll give it to you.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 07-Oct-2004 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
The point is, it's easier for them (despite their claims that it's not - give me a good reason and I'll believe them) to provide the sources together with the binaries than to provide them on demand. So one is left to wonder why would they go for the harder way.
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Posted by brotheris on 07-Oct-2004 06:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
So grow up, if you are really need this sourcecode then simply ask hyperion for it and they'll give it to you.

There should be source OR written offer.
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Posted by Bernie Meyer on 07-Oct-2004 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
Come on --- what is really required includes *telling* your customer that the software you just gave them a binary of is covered by the GPL, as well as providing them with a copy of the GPL.Yes, it is common practice to just include the source code, if only because it means three years from now, you don't have to keep sources for lots of old versions of your programs around (which surely we by now all know you have to do if all you include is the written offer to supply source, right?). And yes, not doing so is perfectly OK.However, failing to even mention the GPL'ed status of binaries you distribute *anywhere* is most certainly *not* OK. It's a breach of license. And if I were Hyperion, I'd be VERY careful about this, because according to section 4 of the GPL, doing so results in automatic termination of their license for U-Boot. This means that if one of the U-Boot copyright holders so much as doesn't like the look of their face (or, God forbid, their attitude of righteous indignation when confronted with the fact that they violated the GPL :), that copyright holder could quite easily enforce that section, and the AmigaOne would suddenly be without firmware. Uh-oh!"All you have to do is ask" is one thing. But "All you have to do is somehow guess that all you have to do is ask" is another thing altogether. One can be done in accordance with the GPL, the other simply can't.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 07-Oct-2004 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Kill_Troll):
WIth some minor exceptions there are no blue or red trolls. Most trolls have no
colour, they just like winding people up. And BTW, I'm a blue.
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 07-Oct-2004 07:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Bernie Meyer):
>Yes, it is common practice to just include the source code

I've never seen this, can you provide an example?
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Posted by kalmar on 07-Oct-2004 07:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Bernie Meyer):
Hah, Commodore Basic, so it does - I wonder what that's about.

There's also this little help.. cute..

'Boota' is a great command, that enables you to do things that before
were only dreamt of.
Namely, booting AmigaOS4 on an A1.
Aside from that, it takes no arguments, so any extended help is of no help.
On the other hand, it uses a bunch or ruthless environment variables to work, so you might want some insight into these insightful matters.
First of all, come the three 'bootmedia' twins, named 'boot1', 'boot2' and
'boot3' (we have three of them so they are one more of the Friedens).
Each of these can be set to a corresponding boot source that will be scanned,
starting - guess which one - from 'boot1'. Allowed boot sources are 'net' AKA
broken-TFTP-booting-dont-try-me, 'cdrom', 'ide', that are IDE/ATAPI CDRom and
HDD,respectively, 'scdrom' and 'scsi', same as above but for SCSI and finally
'ucdrom' and 'usb', meaning of which is left to figure out only to the smartest of you.
Booting from floppy is not yet supported and when ready will probably leave someone still guessing what is it useful for (greetings to Elwood and Martin S).
If you decide to give control to this crazy bunch of buggy bits, it'll try to
load the second-stage bootloader from the boot sources specified, and pass
control to it.
Once the second-stage bootloader takes control, it'll scan for available
kickstart configurations, prompt the deepest corner of your soul for which
configuration to load, and then start the REAL fun
(... or at least attempt to).
Have a nice day.
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 07-Oct-2004 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Bernie Meyer):
> You are distributing, from your website, an update floppy as well as an update
> ISO image. Both are distributed in archives containing the binary and a README,
> nothing else.

Yes, that was an oversight. I've added the reference to both the news item and the README files on the file area. I'll upload new versions today that contain the GPL.

I simply forgot that.

> righteous indignation is probably not the best reaction to accusations ---
> *especially* when you *are* guilty as accused

My indignation *is* rightious, no one but yourself pointed this ommission out. The point was, I think, that no source is included, nothing else. The GPL, well, like I said, I forgot. I put these archives up in a hurry yesterday.

About the source, it was requested yesterday and is on its way to the person that requested it, making the discussion a bit moot. Like I said, I used the opportunity to point out that tampering with a firmware is dangerous and may corrupt the functionality of your machine.

> (BTW, Hans-Joerg --- I haven't forgotten your mail, just have been oh so busy
> recently. I *will* reply one of these days. Short version --- I got the source
> within a couple of days, as well as an "oops, something went wrong. Will fix
> ASAP").

No problem, I know *that* feeling :-)
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Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 07-Oct-2004 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (JoannaK):
> I have to say, they should have learned basics of GPL by now. But.. apparently
> they don't have time or interest to do things right.

As I already pointed out, I forgot it. I did that in a hurry, because a wanted to visit a close relative in hospital. No need for your arrogant "they're idiots" posting.
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