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A news item on AmigaWorld.net states that Hyperion has released the update of U-Boot to 1.1.1
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 151 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 08-Oct-2004 12:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 146 (Bernie Meyer):
Nice one ;-)
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 152 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Harald Frank on 08-Oct-2004 12:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 150 (Bernie Meyer):
Hello Mr. Meyer,

what about step 1 for you:

Sending my lawyer your updatet postal address, so that court documents
could be delivered to you? You know that this is standard law, and that
you have to do this for any kind of contract you have agreed to!

We even have some qualified Australian lawyer now, so if needed we could
find out quickly in your current country what plain contract law has to
mean for you.

Regards,

Harald Frank
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 153 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Oct-2004 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Harald Frank):
The address you have is where you can send documents; They will reach me.


So, until you actually have something to say --- fill in the blank, or I might get moderated for excessive swearing.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 154 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Harald Frank on 08-Oct-2004 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Bernie Meyer):
Hello Mr. Meyer,

no some postbox address is not enough. Do you know the thing
called "Ladungsfähige Anschrift" which means, it must be your
address and that you have to sign to postman that you have in
person received the court document!? nah... to simpel for you
right?

So it might explain why court documents comming back here to
germany with "address of person unknown, moved away"... hm..
when do you plan your next visit here in germany? I have time
to wait, because i know that even if germanys court stuff is
very slow, they are efficient and someday i meet you there in
person to clear out your illegal nonsense.

Regards,

Harald Frank
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 155 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2004 12:30 GMT
Grouphug!!
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 156 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kymberly Fergusson on 08-Oct-2004 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 152 (Harald Frank):
Harald,

Please just _do_ what you are saying, and stop threatening! I'm sick of the hassle of hearing "I can sue you for this" without any steps taken to follow through on your threat.

You never had a 'postbox' address for Bernie. I can verify that mail is still reaching him from his old address (the re-direction facilities of Australia Post actually work very well). Use this address!

If you aren't going to sue, then please stop threatening, stop hassling, and stop claiming you are right. Obviously if you are not going to back up your threats with action, you simply don't want to admit you are wrong.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 157 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kymberly Fergusson on 08-Oct-2004 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 155 (hooligan/dcs):
It kinda needs it doesn't it!

*sigh*

And yes, I know I'm posting from the same IP as Bernie... he is down the hall from me in his study - I'm so sick of having to deal with the upset Bernie that Harald keeps creating. At this point I'd actually welcome a court case because it would actually resolve the issues, and the empty threats would cease!

*bleh* I'll go back to re-marking assignments now...

Kym
---
www.nifwlseirff.net
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 158 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Oct-2004 12:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Harald Frank):
I have no idea, Harald. It certainly isn't because my current whereabouts are unknown to the postal service; Hundreds of items addressed to my previous address arriving all the time are testament to that. Oh, and the last time I had a post box was in 1993, in Hamburg, Germany, so maybe, just maybe it's because you are using the wrong address.

Of course, that is assuming you are actually trying to send documents. If you are instead trying to send someone around to visit me in person, then how to do so depends on who that someone is. If it is, as you suggest, a process server, then I am sure my former landlord (Ray White Real Estate, in Clayton) will be all too happy to provide you with the information of where their former tenant moved to. You can also probably get the same info from the people doing drivers licenses, or the phone company, or the gas company, or the elcetricity company.

If, however, you were trying to make me "have a visit" by some well-muscled people (and we both know that you *have* threatened me with physical violence, don't we? Don't want to forget that written evidence to that effect exists, right, Harald?), then I am awfully sorry, but you will have to spend a couple of hours searching on the internet. Or make your way through the 16 B Meyer listed in the white pages, in Terminator style.

Or you could try calling Scott again. Of course, you might find that his reaction to any contact by you consists of three words, the first starting with 'F', the second with 'O', and the third with 'H'.

but hey, what the heck --- I make you a deal. If you can post that so-called contract you and me supposedly have, and which you claim I have received money based on, then I will send an email to the lawyer who incessantly faxed my home phone at 3am over two years ago, and tell him my new address. In strict confidence, of course.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 159 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Oct-2004 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Bernie Meyer):
Anyone with some pop-corn to share? Mine's finished!
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 160 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Harald Frank on 08-Oct-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 156 (Kymberly Fergusson):
Hello Kymberly Fergusson,

even if you are not any part of this dispute, i will take the time and do
answer to your pointless posting.

you wrote:

>Please just _do_ what you are saying, and stop threatening! I'm sick of the >hassle of hearing "I can sue you for this" without any steps taken to follow >through on your threat.

1.) We have taken steps
2.) Mr. Meyer has been informed official from our companys lawyer about his
illegal acting and following steps if he no stop immediately his acting. It
was Mr. Meyer who has choosen to not react to this and to ignore the law.

>You never had a 'postbox' address for Bernie. I can verify that mail is still >reaching him from his old address (the re-direction facilities of Australia >Post actually work very well). Use this address!

Ok, in simple words for you: Germany court courier service do not use any
kind of "re-direction" whatever service. The case for this is very simple,
it must be sure that the person who sign the paper *is* the same person as
his passport says, and the document is directed to.

>If you aren't going to sue, then please stop threatening, stop hassling, and >stop claiming you are right. Obviously if you are not going to back up your >threats with action, you simply don't want to admit you are wrong.

Stop dreaming, you friend has done wrong and illegal action on copyrighted
material, he missused contractual work to make a counter product. Let him
stand in court and we see who is right or not. To hide him below your skirt
will not make him right or a brave man.

Regards,

Harald Frank
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 161 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Harald Frank on 08-Oct-2004 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Bernie Meyer):
Hello Mr. Meyer,

why do not make it short, quick and simple and stop your silly game?

It is not us that have to find out where our contractual partners do
live today. It is your duty to inform your contractual partners about
such changes. In not doinig so, you just show the court dissrespect
and do not make your position any better.

Regards,

Harald Frank
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 162 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kymberly Fergusson on 08-Oct-2004 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Harald Frank):
Harald wrote:
> To hide him below your skirt will not make him right or a brave man.

Umm... didnt I just tell you to go ahead and sue him?

Kym
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 163 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Bernie Meyer on 08-Oct-2004 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 161 (Harald Frank):
OK, short and sweet --- if you want to sue me over a non-existing contract, then you can get my address from the non-existing address change notification I sent you due to my non-existing obligation to do so resulting from said non-existing contract.

Harald, it's 1am here. I am going to bed now, and read the latest Stephen King novel. After getting up tomorrow, I will go to the local shopping centre, buy some more books (because I have a 15% off voucher for Borders), and Kym and I are going to buy some cat-hardware (such as a scratchpost) for the soon-to-come kittens. So, for the next 14 or so hours, you can rant and rave all you want. You can call me names, accuse me of anything under the sun, and I won't be able to reply. Because, quite frankly, I don't care. I don't care at all about what you think you are entitled to, I don't care at all what phantasy contracts you have made yourself believe in. It simply doesn't have any relevance to me, or to anything I do.

If you want to sue me, you should find that quite easy to do. Thousands of people sue thousands of other people each day without having their current address. So go ahead, or don't. I'd love for you to do it, because in the end, you'd end up my travel costs to attend a hearing in Germany, *and* make a lawyer friend of mine some easy money.

Anyway, give it all you got, because, you know, I find Jake and Oy a lot more interesting than Harald.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 164 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 08-Oct-2004 13:08 GMT
Wow this is getting interesting. Someone pass the popcorn!
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 165 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Oct-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 164 (Peter Gordon):
Hey, I come first!
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 166 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Jens Langner on 08-Oct-2004 13:17 GMT
I would say both of them carry some guilt that Amithlon more or less died in the end and why? Just because both of them though they will get millionaires... A very good example how money can destroy good projects in the end... That's why I am all for the OpenSource idea.. :)
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 167 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 08-Oct-2004 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 165 (Fabio Alemagna):
Yeah, thats what your girlfriend said! ;-)

(that was a joke, btw, i know how sensitive a lot of people on ANN are)
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 168 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 08-Oct-2004 13:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 167 (Peter Gordon):
> Yeah, thats what your girlfriend said! ;-)

Well, yes, she takes longer than me ;-)
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 169 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 08-Oct-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Bernie Meyer):
To Harald And to Berni

Having watched you two ove the past thread makes it quite clear, and in a sad way that Amiga osxl, or amithlon were doomed to failure. You two are still quibbling and arging in public? And over WHAT?
There cannot have ever been vast ludicrous sums made from either product. You can't really have lost so much as to be so bitter.

And yet, BETWEEN you both, and no doubt others, YOU had the opportunity to make and release a cracking product. Perhaps the pre-eminent product that all amiga users should have considered going forward.

It would seem to me that also, to some degree, as ever, the end people end up being the losers once the product falls apart through the usual pathetic and amazing bickering.

If either of you believe you can offer the end users something instead of nothing, I'd like to see it.

Anyway, this is all so fragging pointless. Harald, please take note, even if you 'win', we've all already lost, so pack it in.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 170 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Oct-2004 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 166 (Jens Langner):
"A very good example how money can destroy good projects in the end... That's why I am all for the OpenSource idea.. :)"

Even with Open Source, projects go wrong when people fall out.

Amithlon could not have been OS as it needs commercial Amiga code. Possibly a replacement could be made by combining Bernie's code with AROS, but I suspect that is quite a lot of work.

IMO the only thing wrong with Amithlon is that it won't run applications that need double screens or HAM-8. Otherwise it is excellent and has been in constant use here since it came out.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 171 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 08-Oct-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 160 (Harald Frank):
" Stop dreaming, you friend has done wrong and illegal action on copyrighted
material, he missused contractual work to make a counter product. Let him
stand in court and we see who is right or not. To hide him below your skirt
will not make him right or a brave man. "

Oh well, some things never change.

This sort of behaviour, public threats and downright lies are what earned Mr Frank a ban from the AmithlonOpen mailing list - and, I believe, from Amiga.org too.

It's sad to see him polluting Amiga forums again, but there you go. By now I'm quite certain everyone knows what Harald Frank stands for.

Mr Frank, if you don't like what people say about you, sue them like you threaten to. Otherwise, please take your maniacal hatred and incomprehensible malice elsewhere.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 172 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 08-Oct-2004 13:55 GMT
LOL! It's unbelieveable of how much entertainment a single firmware update can generate. One does not even have to own a A1.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 173 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 08-Oct-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 147 (Bernie Meyer):
:¬)

Oh, and I see you are quoting Bender... ;¬)

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 174 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 08-Oct-2004 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 145 (Don Cox):
Bill Gates has done a great deal to lower the ethical standards of programmers.

Yeah, and it seems it's spreading...

Saluditos,

Ferrán
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 175 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 08-Oct-2004 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 170 (Don Cox):
Amiga inc are a company that have IP and make money from licensing. There is no reason to say that because it needs some licensed parts a project will fail.

Course... thats all fine in theory until we hit the people involved, but I digress.

There was no reason why Amiga could not have generated income from a good deal between themselves and people who wanted to make a product.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 176 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kymberly Fergusson on 08-Oct-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 174 (Ferry):
Don wrote:
> > Bill Gates has done a great deal to lower the ethical standards of programmers.
Ferran wrote:
> Yeah, and it seems it's spreading...

You wouldn't believe the rate of cheating/copying/plagiarising in Computer Science... we caught 80% in one subject alone on one assignment (of 10 assignments in the semester). Typically we catch a quarter of the students in each subject for each piece of assessment, and many of those are serial offenders. It's quite depressing.

:-\

Kym
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 177 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Oct-2004 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 175 (AdmV):
"Amiga Inc are a company that have IP and make money from licensing. There is no reason to say that because it needs some licensed parts a project will fail."

No, I didn't say it would. My point was that even an Open Source project can fail if the team breaks up in acrimony.

Of course if an Amiga emulation is to include genuine Amiga components, it cannot be all open.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 178 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Oct-2004 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 176 (Kymberly Fergusson):
"You wouldn't believe the rate of cheating/copying/plagiarising in Computer Science... we caught 80% in one subject alone on one assignment (of 10 assignments in the semester). Typically we catch a quarter of the students in each subject for each piece of assessment, and many of those are serial offenders. It's quite depressing."

You need to set assignments that require original thought from each student, and a different answer from each. Not easy if they are beginners.

Alternatively, get all the work done in a classroom situation, - replace lectures with reading assignments and make the classes 100% practical. Only work actually done in the labs under the eye of a teacher to be accepted.

Of course some will still cheat, but it gets harder.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 179 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Bernie Meyer):
This is a lesson I'm sure will be lost on many, but . . .

"Sometimes you've got to stand up to a Bully, or he'll just keep coming back -- sometimes you've got to stand and fight for what's right."

-- guess who :)
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 180 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by officer doofy on 08-Oct-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 153 (Bernie Meyer):
All your shouting at harald had me thinking I was watching an episode of "steptoe & Son".
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 181 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 20:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 144 (Fabio Alemagna):
>> Yes, but was it neccessary?
>
>It wasn't "necessary", nothing is "necessary" around here, not even your or my
>posts are "necessary", however it was the most obvious and simple way to deal
>with the issue.

What the GPL foundation recommends is the most obvious way and convinience really isn't an argument for what is the right thing to do, if you ask me.

>> Couldn't this have been settled by private e-mail or something?
>
>Anything could have been done, but people tend to go for the least effort.
>Anything in nature follows the least effort rule, so do humans. Some humans
>are bound to the least effort rule so much that they forget about other rules,
>though (hint hint!) :-)

That is an explanation as good as any, but it doesn't justify anything, I'm afraid. Furthermore, this is not the first time it's been pointed out to Bernie that it's better to contact the developer(s) it concerns directly before posting claims and accusations in public forums.

>> It sure could and should, IMO.
>
>Why should? Explain, please. And no, being "polite" is a non-answer: to me,
>it's not unpolite to talk about it publicly.

Why humiliate someone in public for something that could be and seem very much like a simple and unintentional neglect? Bernie has taken part of similar discussions before (you too, remember?) and should know better, I know he does. Why he insists on discouraging Amiga developers from coming anywhere near GPL licensed software is beyond me, I thought he was quite a supporter of the GPL.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 182 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 23:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Yes, he re wrong, not only you...

F R I E D E N B R O T H E R S A R E F U C K I N G W A N K E R S ! ! ! ! ! !
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 183 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kymberly Fergusson on 09-Oct-2004 01:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 178 (Don Cox):
Don wrote:
> You need to set assignments that require original thought from each student,
> and a different answer from each. Not easy if they are beginners.

Ideally each and every student would get a different assignment targetting the same skills and knowledge. Then they can't cheat. We have run a couple of subjects where students are broken into groups randomly and assigned different questions. This did cut down on the cheating a little, but not if friends were assigned into the same assessment streams.

> Alternatively, get all the work done in a classroom situation, - replace
> lectures with reading assignments and make the classes 100% practical. Only work > actually done in the labs under the eye of a teacher to be accepted.

This is actually what they have done in high school, and the standard of high school graduates dropped markedly the year following when it was introduced into year 12 (or rather the level of competency of applicants into the first year programming class I was lecturing & tutoring for several years). The amount of hand-holding increased hugely too, which has increased consultation time for all the lecturers (decreasing what little research time they had available).

> Of course some will still cheat, but it gets harder.

There will always be some who try to cheat. At least 3/40 students in every test I have invigilated have tried hard to cheat by looking at other's scripts. Even when I was standing right near them watching them! It's quite incredible what extent some will go to. We've had to make sure all mobile phones are on the floor (not in laps/on the desk) because students were messaging each other (or to/from people outside).

I always laugh when students hand in work with another student's plagiarism disclaimer on it (typically there is at least one per subject per semester that does this).

Ahh well.... enough ranting on plagiarism for me...
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 184 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 09-Oct-2004 01:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Sammy Nordström):
what is it with samface and fabios obsession to prove to each other that they're right? cant you just say "ok lets agree to disagree?" instead of posting 20 messages each.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 185 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 09-Oct-2004 03:22 GMT
Well, I guess they have distincive opinions that may never share a solution.

Anyway, before this thread I always thought that Bernie Meyer was betrayed by both Frank and Haage % Partner, but after the amateur "fuck off" postings I must admit I don't know if Amitlhon/Umithlon is the way to go even if he actually got an OK from Amiga Inc.

I thought that Bernie was actually screwed by Frank, but I've starting to be in doubt after this thread. Could we get the truth out?
(Ah and btw I will only answer posts by myself and I will not invent any imaginery friends supporting my opinions. (If I ever got a friend that knew about ANN I would immediately suggest that he found himself a real news site like Amiga.org, Morphzone.org or Amigaworl.net though))
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 186 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by ece on 09-Oct-2004 03:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 158 (Bernie Meyer):
Hello Bernie!

"If, however, you were trying to make me "have a visit" by some well-muscled people (and we both know that you *have* threatened me with physical violence, don't we?"

You don´t need to fear treats from that little wanker, I do belive in you and you´ve made treamendous efforts in the world of Amiga.
I personaly ensure you that if the little wanker causes you any harm I´ll give him double up.

I´ve tried to erite this in a civilized way not to get the post removed. You can
guess what I mean.

And wanker: I´ve never feared anything, anyone in my life, let me tell you that you won´t be the first.
One more thing: My promisses are the mmmmmhh Sicilian style...
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 187 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous Orc on 09-Oct-2004 04:55 GMT
look guys and girls

Hyperion canot FORCE their changes to be int he main CVS tree. If you want to get
the latest uboot source code from them, fix all the bits that got rejected by the u-boot maintainers then go ahead and do it.

of course, noone will do this, because even the biggest GPL zealots on this list are just using the GPL as a basis for arguments and have NOTHING to cntribute to such GPL projects anyway :-(
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 188 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Oct-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 181 (Sammy Nordström):
"Why he insists on discouraging Amiga developers from coming anywhere near GPL licensed software is beyond me, I thought he was quite a supporter of the GPL."

No way is Bernie discouraging developers from using GPL. He is simply reminding them to use it correctly, which means always making the source available with the binary, so that the user can compile and debug it himself if necessary. It is so simple.

Obliging users to request the source code is within the letter of the GPL, but not its spirit. The code archive should be placed at the same download site (or on the same disk) as the binary unless there is a good reason not to. There should not normally be any need to ask for the source code.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 189 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by A.Scott Pringle on 09-Oct-2004 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 163 (Bernie Meyer):
Bernie,
good to see you in fine form 8)
at least we can be thankful that KA is a wheel.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 190 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by vortexau on 09-Oct-2004 10:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Tosh lines.):
> Funny how the wanker moderators on aw.net always slag off people then lock the threads.

> L8-X you pussy.

THAT kind of behaviour happens at other sites (as well). The Amiga.Org moderator and his cronies ganged up on me (five-to-one). They took their turns to denigrate me, AND cut my power to refute their weak arguments. Even the "reasons" given by their moderator for cutting my power of reply were largely composed of untruths, and slander!

THAT was why I changed my avatar there to reflect a famous photo of Tiananmen Square:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/inside.china/art.overview/link.1989.tiananmen.jpg
. . and why I have not been back there since!
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 191 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2004 16:47 GMT
Yet more software goes on the pile of "Ported to the Amiga, but destroyed when the packager learned that he was obliged to provide source code". Not a good platform for people who like to know where their towel is.

In parallel we learn that the Friedens write poor quality code, and then ship it to end users, and that they haven't improved since their last hissy fit (in which they swore not to return here until OS4 was finished, but I guess there's been more than enough time for them to forget about that...)

Oh, and Harald is still here threatening people. Always makes me think of Rentaghost. "Harald! Those spooks are up to no good!"
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 192 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 09-Oct-2004 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 191 (Anonymous):
"In parallel we learn that the Friedens write poor quality code, and then ship it to end users"

No we don't. I know of no evidence for that suggestion. Have you examined any of their code, and are you qualified to judge?
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 193 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Oct-2004 18:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 188 (Don Cox):
I never said Bernie's claims for what is in compliance with the GPL license or not would be incorrect, just that such public investigations of work based on GPL licensed software is not very encouraging for those considering to develop and release works based on GPL:ed software. For many, it's simply not worth the effort and much easier to just stay away from anything licensed under the GPL.

So, if Bernie really is a supporter of the GPL, maybe he should try to tone down this GPL police attitude a bit and follow the GPL foundations recommendations on how to handle these kind of issues instead.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 194 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2004 19:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 192 (Don Cox):
One of the Friedens has already posted to this thread that they shipped the A1 U Boot variant with outstanding warnings and changes to core U Boot code that are only relevant to the A1 hardware. Both examples of terrible software engineering not acceptable for end-user products (especially firmware!) and which, understandably, the U Boot team didn't want to import.

Additionally yes, I have read code written by the Friedens, it was of very poor quality and did not include proper changelogs, explanatory comments etc. It would be enough to fail any introductory course on software engineering, or to be disciplined at a serious (which Hyperion is not) software company.

I've also examined the source to other Amiga software which you yourself, Don, have praised very highly and found it to be even worse. Undocumented numeric constants, poor execution structure, beginners errors with arithmetic and logical operators. Maybe the code hidden away in developer's private archives is of much better quality, but the code I've seen has been almost universally abysmal.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 195 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Francois Prowse on 10-Oct-2004 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
I've not posted a comment to ANN for some time (probably over a year now) but this thread deserves a comment....

If you are going to use GPL components/code then have some damned respect for the GPL and the software you are able to use to your commercial advantage. Sure beats having to licence some firmware or write your own.

I think Bernie pointed it out the best, everyone else seems to be able to cite the GPL and provide source in the download archive. I don't tell me that this would take additional time. (ok, probably a minute or two:)

FP
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 196 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 10-Oct-2004 00:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sammy Nordström):
BULLSHIT !!!

Want to use somebody elses work ? Than just stick to the ##### rules that somebody has set out.

In the case he has used the GPL as that rules, it is as easy as a game at Kindergarten, just release the whole source that you used (with all files you have gotten) alongside the binary.

Got a reason not to like it that way ? Read the GPL very very carefull, and make sure that whatever you do is in compliance with it.

Anybody of capable of basic reading and writing "hello world" is absolutly capable do it.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 197 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Oct-2004 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 194 (Anonymous):
"I've also examined the source to other Amiga software which you yourself, Don, have praised very highly and found it to be even worse. Undocumented numeric constants, poor execution structure, beginners errors with arithmetic and logical operators. Maybe the code hidden away in developer's private archives is of much better quality, but the code I've seen has been almost universally abysmal."

Which programs were these, exactly?

If I have praised a program, it is because it works well for me in practice. If the code itself is poor, this is an argument for open source, so that the rough edges can be tidied up.

You seem to be speaking from a very superior position. Presumably your own code is of high quality. What software have you written? I am surprised that you would want to be anonymous.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 198 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Oct-2004 06:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 193 (Sammy Nordström):
"For many, it's simply not worth the effort and much easier to just stay away from anything licensed under the GPL."

The effort of posting a few extra files is hardly that great. Ten minutes work at most.

As you say, if people don't want to release source code, they should not develop under the GPL. Nothing prevented a BIOS for the AmigaOne being coded from scratch - but the extra time involved would have been vastly greater than the time it takes to post the source code files.
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 199 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 10-Oct-2004 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 154 (Harald Frank):
Could you name the Australian lawyer practise?
New AmigaOne firmware available : Comment 200 of 226ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 10-Oct-2004 09:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 159 (Fabio Alemagna):
Well, I prefer KFC’s popcorn chicken and gravy....
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