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[Unmoderated] Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING.ANN.lu
Posted on 07-Oct-2004 16:41 GMT by Peggy Mitchell48 comments
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Well Garry Hare has had his chance and blew it. The Amiga community deserves better than another fake company, who can not even managed to deliver some cheap T-shirts as promised.

Years to deliver T-shirts? but people still have faith in them.

Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 1 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Jeff on 07-Oct-2004 14:52 GMT
Garry Hare and KMOS are just a cover up to protect Amiga Inc from loosing their remaining assets, a pure scam covered up by certain moderators on a certain site.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 2 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey_C on 07-Oct-2004 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Jeff):
Grief! What next? we are responsible for the JFK Conspiracy too?

Whatever next?

For the record, I am not at all impressed with the way KMOS/Amiga Inc are behaving in this matter either.

Mikey C
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Posted by Andy Stuartson on 07-Oct-2004 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Mikey_C):
You guys let Fleecy answer questions for a product which has nothing to do with him, for well over a year. So i will not be suprised if you guys are up to your knecks in cover ups.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 4 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2004 15:06 GMT
Yaay! Troll time!
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 5 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 07-Oct-2004 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
Look who's talking! :)
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 6 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 07-Oct-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darth_X):
I dunno who's talking, i'm typing :P
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 7 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 07-Oct-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Amon_Re):
At this point I only wonder if this thread will be entirelly earsed or if it'll be moderated as a Rant ..
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 8 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Oct-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Andy Stuartson):
In case anyone doesn't know what this is a reference to, AmigaWorld.net ran a continuing feature in which they would collect questions from forum members, and then Fleecy would respond on behalf of Amiga Inc. Despite the fact that Amiga Inc obviously had almost no day-to-day control of the Amiga OS4 project Fleecy continued to provide "authoritative" answers to questions about OS 4, claiming that as the owners of Amiga OS, his company were calling the shots.

These "Ask Fleecy" sessions became steadily more irregular until they ceased altogether, with Fleecy offering no sensible explanation. Some time later it was announced that Amiga Inc had in fact sold Amiga OS4, and it was now in the hands of the previously unknown KMOS. KMOS also didn't appear to know much about the OS, except for the fact that they'd owned it during the period when Fleecy (who also doesn't seem to know much about it) was answering technical queries about it.

Which is all very strange...
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Oct-2004 15:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (JoannaK):
That's funny because this is what I'm thinking about at the same moment.
I will take my decision later.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 07-Oct-2004 15:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
"Peggy Mitchell is a character in British soap opera Eastenders. She is played by Barbara Windsor."

And I guess she is not an Amiga user ...
I think that from now I will moderate rants only when the poster is a genuine Amiga user.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 11 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 07-Oct-2004 16:03 GMT
A $50 T Shirt is not cheap, even with a weak dollar.
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Posted by JoannaK on 07-Oct-2004 16:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Christophe Decanini):
IMHO.. The question is valid. A bit trollishly written, but.. Someday someone should be able to tell what's really going on.. Or is it just a hoax (would not be first.. )
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Posted by John Block on 07-Oct-2004 16:21 GMT
In defense of KMOS:

The July 25th statement looks to have been misinterpreted:

"The T Shirts went to be printed yesterday."

We have no evidence that those t shirts were not printed and no promises were made about sending them out.

"I don't want to hear anything about these T Shirts again!"

And we have not heard anything from KMOS about them.

The man is as good as his word.
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Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2004 16:22 GMT
I will admit, that I liked the verbiage coming from KMOS, and indeed decided to go no a 'positive' type of approach to the new management.

However, one rule, I never sway from....until you get the t-shirt, you've only gotten another promise.

I don't do any work for the amiga platform...for years now, and have never regretted not being an 'early bird'....

maybe this isn't news, but I found it an interesting reminder that the guaranteed t-shirts never happened...why did the 'new' management make the same promise/lie, as the old...do they never learn?
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Posted by MarkTime on 07-Oct-2004 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MarkTime):
the only observation I would add, is that nothing is a let-down, or a shocker, or the 'last straw' anymore...everyone here is a hardened nut...and nobody is going to crack.

amiga lubimaya's...will continue to be so, amiga detractors, will continue to be so...

I just can't wait for KMOS to end their silence and go on another spree of promises...because any new promise from KMOS will be guaranteed to be news, even if the followup that it was all lies, is almost guaranteed to be a 'rant' (not sure why for this uncharacteristic favortism for pro-amiga camp...but I still regard as ann to be mostly a neutral site).
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 16 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 07-Oct-2004 16:27 GMT
KMOS also haven't been paying their debts, which is imo far worse than
not making the t-shirts.

I mean - if they didn't have the money, they shouldn't have bought
AInc in the first place. That's like if I'd go and buy myself a new
expensive car, fully knowing that I can't pay for it. Except it's
worse - the car dealer surely has insurance for such situations.

I'm not really sure KMOS bought AInc at all. I'm also not sure I
believe the claims that they bought some AInc property. I really don't
know what to believe, or who is really the owner of the Amiga
trademarks etc. Clearly, some people involved in this are less than
honest.
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Posted by John Block on 07-Oct-2004 16:37 GMT
statement on 25th july, note to update profile on amiga.com on 29 july suugests some sort of intention.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Oct-2004 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (John Block):
""The T Shirts went to be printed yesterday."

We have no evidence that those t shirts were not printed and no promises were made about sending them out."

He may be wearing both of them.



""I don't want to hear anything about these T Shirts again!"

And we have not heard anything from KMOS about them.

The man is as good as his word."

True indeed.
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Posted by Don Cox on 07-Oct-2004 16:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Johan Rönnblom):
"I'm not really sure KMOS bought AInc at all. "

They probably did, but for some nominal sum like $5.
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Posted by Tosh lines. on 07-Oct-2004 17:31 GMT
KMOS is just a cover up company, just to protect Amiga Inc from the tax man, creditors and everyone else they owe money to. Only the proper hardcore dumb fucks (see aw.net) believe Hare and the other liars in this community.

On a lighter note i am pleased to see Amiga users get ripped off from every company.
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Posted by Graham_nli on 07-Oct-2004 23:25 GMT
I'm wondering what happened to the t-shirts as well.

It doesn't look good for them not to have been dealt with 10 weeks later. Maybe they took a week to be printed at the firm. But I'm sure that if what he said was true, they would have had 8 weeks to send out t-shirts. Even at 10 a day being labelled during ad-breaks in the evening a lot of people should have received theirs by now.
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Posted by gary_c on 08-Oct-2004 00:51 GMT
Some possibilities:

* Someone (Garry Hare himself or whoever told him) intentionally lied about the T-shirts being printed just to be able to generate a feel-good buzz at AmiWest.
* Garry Hare didn't lie purposely, but internal disorganization has prevented the T-shirts from being printed and delivered or even an apology/explanation sent.
* KMOS *could* deliver the T-shirts, but has higher priorities (than establishing credibility among its only customer base to date).

There's no "good" reason for KMOS's performance, and people who expect nothing from the company but instead are banking on Hyperion and Eyetech to carry the (boing) ball probably have the right idea. KMOS has, so far, succeeded only in demonstrating how little difference a change in ownership can make. Good luck to the people actually doing something with the platform; hopefully they won't have to deal much with KMOS/Amiga, Inc.

-- gary_c
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Posted by priest on 08-Oct-2004 04:06 GMT
YAWN!

So what else is new?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 24 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 04:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Johan Rönnblom):
Did they really BUY it I ask? What was the price, $10.000.000? Or perhaps $0 (which I think is more likely)?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 25 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
I doubt they bought that finnish company that cheap.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 04:32 GMT
Please note that I'm not trying to "defend" anyone or anything here, but for christ sake, we're talking about a bloody t-shirt. I admit that it seems rather pathetic to not be able to deliver something as simple as a t-shirt, but isn't it just as pathetic to whine about it? That's all I have to say about this.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 27 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Oct-2004 05:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
Sammy, as has been pointed out *many* times, the issue is *not* the T-shirts themselves, which aren't important. (This is why people other than those actually owed shirts have so much to say about the subject, I suppose.)

The issue revolves around things like credibility and capability. The T-shirts became a *symbol* of Amiga, Inc.'s incompetence and less-than-honest ways. The T-shirts could have been a *symbol* of KMOS starting fresh and doing things better. Instead they are becoming a symbol of KMOS being no better, no more capable, no more honest and straightforward than Amiga, Inc. And people are also saying, if KMOS can't even do as it said it would do and get the shirts delivered, what hope is there that they will make good on the Amiga debts owed, let alone deliver consumer products at some point?

They could have been a knight in shining armor but instead are taking their turn as the new court jester. ;-)

-- gary_c
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Posted by priest on 08-Oct-2004 05:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
"it seems rather pathetic to not be able to deliver something as simple as a t-shirt"

Right.

" isn't it just as pathetic to whine about it?"

Right.


It is interesting to observe what KMOS does or does not. Other than that is waste of energy.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2004 05:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Sammy Nordström):
>I doubt they bought that finnish company that cheap.

More likely, they didn't buy it. Just invested. If even that.
I'd give them a call but I know it would be waste of time.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 06:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (gary_c):
Maybe it's a symbol to you, but don't expect everyone else to treat your t-shirt as a holy symbol. For me, it's still just a bloody t-shirt, nothing sacred or holy about it. I also think some people in here is just using it for winding people up.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 31 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Oct-2004 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (gary_c):
"* Garry Hare didn't lie purposely, but internal disorganization has prevented the T-shirts from being printed and delivered or even an apology/explanation sent."

Where would Garry Hare get hold of a list of those who gave Bill McEwen $50 ?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 32 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Oct-2004 06:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Sammy Nordström):
"Please note that I'm not trying to "defend" anyone or anything here, but for christ sake, we're talking about a bloody t-shirt."

We are talking about small scale fraud and large scale incompetence.
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Posted by gary_c on 08-Oct-2004 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Sammy Nordström):
Maybe it's a symbol to you, but don't expect everyone else to treat your t-shirt as a holy symbol. For me, it's still just a bloody t-shirt, nothing sacred or holy about it.

Of course not. By "symbolic" I just mean that the shirts *represent* something other than themselves, something more important. Symbols don't have to represent sacred or holy things at all. As I said, the shirts presented a cheap and easy way for KMOS to make a positive impression. Too bad they didn't capitalize on it; I guess they couldn't or didn't want to, for some reason.

I also think some people in here is just using it for winding people up.

People are probably past the point of being wound up or not.

-- gary_c
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Posted by zylesea on 08-Oct-2004 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (gary_c):
You mean in a micro company like KMOS there is some internal misorganization? Well, if Garry Hare's right hand doesn't know what the left hand does then it may be - but I doubt that this company is really more than a one person company.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 35 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 08-Oct-2004 06:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
Ray Akey posted at AmigaWorld.net for CAM club members to be sure their information on file (at amiga.com, I guess) is up to date. IIRC, this was specifically to make sure that things could be delivered to them.

-- gary_c
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 06:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (hooligan/dcs):
From http://www.google.se/search?q=cache:e3Q0gz2AK5sJ:www.swaug.org.uk/amiwest2004-gh.php+Amiwest+2004+swaug&hl=sv :

KMOS recently acquired Helsinki based, Capacity Networks Inc- they specialise in data storage technology that stores and retrieves files from any device on any given network. Secure data storage is critically important in the home, small business environments. Interesting for the mobile future. They also have propeitary technology that enables efficient transmission of data- it reads your historical data and figures out the most efficient route across the internet. This technology can be upto 15% more efficient in some tests. When we told our business partners this they were very excited.

Why would they lie about it? I mean, not even Amiga Inc. would be bold enough to claim that they've "acquired" an entire company without actually having done so.
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Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (gary_c):
The symbolic meaning your talking about is still just your subjective interpretation of this t-shirt situation. Again, don't expect everyone to have the same subjective interpretation, ok?

Furthermore, even if people already are wound up, do you think these kind of things helps?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 38 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2004 06:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Sammy Nordström):
>Why would they lie about it? I mean, not even Amiga Inc. would be bold enough to claim that they've "acquired" an entire company without actually having done so.

Why would they lie about the t-shirts? Still, they did (at least it very much seems so).
Anyway .. best of luck if they indeed acquired this startup-company .. maybe someday we will something solid. Till then, better just watch and keep quiet.
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Posted by John Block on 08-Oct-2004 06:57 GMT
Anosmic
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2004 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (hooligan/dcs):
... "we will see" ...
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 41 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 07:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Don Cox):
"Where would Garry Hare get hold of a list of those who gave Bill McEwen $50 ?"

You are assuming there actually is a list?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 42 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Sammy Nordström):
> Why would they lie about it? I mean, not even Amiga Inc. would be bold enough to claim that they've "acquired" an entire company without actually having done so.

Yes? They have been bold enough to lie about having been acquired (and did that before a court and judge).
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 43 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Oct-2004 07:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Anonymous):
> having been acquired

To clarify, with that I mean the AmigaOS part of their business (of which they claimed to have control over when it weas already sold).
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 44 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 08:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Anonymous):
Control is one thing, to own is another. The legal definition of "possess" does not neccessarily mean that you own it.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 45 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 08-Oct-2004 08:08 GMT
BTW, their domain http://www.kmos.com has been renewed. While it doesn't tell us much, atleast it shows they are still active. So, let's just wait and see what they have up their sleeves, ok?
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 46 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by "I WANT TO BELIEVE!" on 08-Oct-2004 08:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Sammy Nordström):
While it doesn't tell us much, atleast it shows they are still active.

No.
All it shows is that one John Grzymala continues to park a domain name, because that is all that's happened. I doubt that anybody else shares your opinion if you wish to use this as a meaningful example of activity. I'm sure the people behind the KMOS scheme are digesting food and breathing as well, and that is equally indicative of any relevant activity.

So, let's just wait and see what they have up their sleeves, ok?

Adding more defunct/dormant IT companies (such as ainc/Itec, Capacity Networks) to their asset portfolio? (Or their investors' portfolios, more likely) Selling some of these assets? Oh, the excitement.

That's a speculation that's just as likely as any other. Perhaps more likely, since it's all that's happened so far.

In any case it's a shell game. Maybe something more productive will be done with some of these companies, assets and debts one of these days. Then again, maybe not.
Time has past and KMOS delivers NOTHING. : Comment 47 of 48ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 08-Oct-2004 09:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Sammy Nordström):
There has been two or three updates on their domain status during this month.

So ... to an outsider it seems that this is the most active month @ KMOS since July. ;)
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Posted by gary_c on 08-Oct-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Sammy Nordström):
The symbolic meaning your talking about is still just your subjective interpretation of this t-shirt situation. Again, don't expect everyone to have the same subjective interpretation, ok?

Sure, I expect some people will interpret Mr. Hare's statement and subsequent failure to follow through as a great success for KMOS and Amiga, Inc., a wonderful example of how to treat customers with respect, instill confidense in those who might want to deal with the company, and enhance their corporate image in the eyes of all observers. ;-)

Furthermore, even if people already are wound up, do you think these kind of things helps?

Probably not, but probably doesn't hurt much of anything either. People are still free to complain if they want to. I was just posing some possible reasons for the inactivity and voicing my personal opinion about how a good opportunity was lost by KMOS (IMHO).

-- gary_c
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