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Posted on 08-Oct-2004 13:20 GMT by bluvi23 comments
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Nice SNDF report http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4208 it seems good show :)
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 08-Oct-2004 16:22 GMT
"nice" doesnt do justice. Damn great report!
SNDF show report : Comment 2 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by bennymee on 08-Oct-2004 18:02 GMT
Nice report and nice pictures.
The close relationchip with Freescale is fantastic for further developments of the platform.
SNDF show report : Comment 3 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Tryo on 08-Oct-2004 18:49 GMT
Great article Tarbos!
SNDF show report : Comment 4 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 08-Oct-2004 21:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Tryo):
A long read but well worth it, a fantastic report.
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Posted by Crumb // AAT on 08-Oct-2004 21:46 GMT
Great report. Thank you!
SNDF show report : Comment 6 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by ToDi on 08-Oct-2004 22:20 GMT
Thumbs up!
SNDF show report : Comment 7 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2004 06:13 GMT
Clickable: http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4208

A very nice report indeed, with lots of information about past, current and future developments on the PPC field! Read it everyone!

:-D
SNDF show report : Comment 8 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2004 06:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
... including some snippets of info regarding the upcoming Pegasos 3, blade servers, etc. It surely looks like it was a fantastic event, and that Genesis relation with Freescale is quite tight, and far, far beyond only "mentioning Genesi on their webpage". Great news and very inspiring reading all in all! Read it! :-)
SNDF show report : Comment 9 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 09-Oct-2004 08:02 GMT
Excellent report, I enjoyed reading it. Thanks :)
SNDF show report : Comment 10 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 09-Oct-2004 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (smithy):
I voted a "5" on their article rating function! :-)
SNDF show report : Comment 11 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by AM on 09-Oct-2004 18:53 GMT
about 2/3 down in the article U can find AmigaOne mentioned:

"....AmigaOne still has critical unresolved DMA issues"

What is the story behind this ? Is this important for OS4 development ?
SNDF show report : Comment 12 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Oct-2004 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (AM):
They are trying to work around it in software.
SNDF show report : Comment 13 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Panagouleas on 09-Oct-2004 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (ToDi):
This report needs to be posted to /.

http://www.slashdot.org
SNDF show report : Comment 14 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Oct-2004 22:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Trying to work around hardware bugs, reverse engineering the VIA chipset due to the lack of support from VIA... The wording is quite different depending on who you ask. Some people think Eyetech, MAI and Hyperion is just trying to cover something up, while some people think that those favoring a certain alternative is just looking for a reason to throw mud at Eyetech, MAI and Hyperion. In both cases, people tend to choose a wording that suits their agenda.

My advice to you is just that you should take anything anyone says on ANN.lu with a bucket load of salt. Yes, regardless of how ironic it may seem, that includes me as well.
SNDF show report : Comment 15 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 09-Oct-2004 22:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (AM):
BTW, it only effects the development of drivers that make use of DMA in one way or another and Eyetech has stated that they hope to have this issue resolved in time for the release of AmigaOS4.
SNDF show report : Comment 16 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 10-Oct-2004 03:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
Yep..

Common problem on sites is that peoples knowledge or experience on some particular area is not respected.. anyone can make (and will) whatever comments they like.. Ok, it's definitely anarchsticly democratic, but unfortunately it tends to lead company coverups, smoke/mirrors etc. tactics. As long as any company has coule tallented spinmasters and flock of loyal sheeps they can get away with any Lame excuse...

And it can go on year after year.
SNDF show report : Comment 17 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Oct-2004 07:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
Facts remains though, that there are DMA problems with the Amiga One
hardware, and they are trying to solve them through software. Some
things cant even be fixed through hardcoding patches into the OS, so
they will also have to use additional hardware, like external IDE
controllers.
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Posted by Don Cox on 10-Oct-2004 08:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
"Facts remains though, that there are DMA problems with the Amiga One
hardware, and they are trying to solve them through software. Some
things cant even be fixed through hardcoding patches into the OS, so
they will also have to use additional hardware, like external IDE
controllers."

As usual, any statement that contains the word "fact" is doubtful. Until an Amigaone is demonstrated working perfectly (onboard sound working, and IDE, SCSI, Ethernet, and PCI sound cards all working simultaneously without any faults), and those concerned explain what solved the problems, the whole question is uncertain.

The onboard sound may turn out to be a completely different problem from the rest.

IMO it will be a few months yet before anyone can talk about "facts".

In the meantime, both the Pegasos and the AmigaOne projects are making steady progress, not as fast as they would like, and not without problems, but definite progress. This is certainly a good thing.
SNDF show report : Comment 19 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Oct-2004 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Bill Panagouleas):
"A long read but well worth it, a fantastic report."

An excellent report. A model for how show reports should be done. And all very positive for those who want to see PPC based computers succeed in the market.
SNDF show report : Comment 20 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Oct-2004 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Don Cox):
"As usual, any statement that contains the word 'fact' is doubtful ... Until an Amigaone is demonstrated working perfectly (onboard sound working, and IDE, SCSI, Ethernet, and PCI sound cards all working simultaneously without any faults), and those concerned explain what solved the problems, the whole question is uncertain ... IMO it will be a few months yet before anyone can talk about 'facts'."

Not at all, FACT IS that the Amiga One does not work properly NOW, try one yourself if you don't believe me. That is A PROVEN AND ADMITTED, UNDISPUTABLE FACT. Whether it can be fixed or not (and if Eyetech really will fix it for all users out there), either by software or by hardware, remains to be seen, and that is a completely different matter. Fact is also that it looks like they are at least trying.
SNDF show report : Comment 21 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 10-Oct-2004 10:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
"Not at all, FACT IS that the Amiga One does not work properly NOW,"

Few would dispute that, although it does seem to be getting nearer to working properly. However, you claimed as a "fact" that "there are DMA problems with the Amiga One hardware," which is a more narrow and specific claim and not at all certain.

The problems may be wholly or partly with the software, including the initialisation of the VIA chip. Nobody knows until they are all fixed. Until then, statements about "facts" are premature.

(We are talking about the AmigaOnes sold so far, I take it, not about the forthcoming models.)
SNDF show report : Comment 22 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 10-Oct-2004 12:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Sammy Nordström):
My advice to you is just that you should take anything anyone says on ANN.lu with a bucket load of salt. Yes, regardless of how ironic it may seem, that includes me as well.

You're insufficiently modest, Sammy; anything you say should be taken with large doses of reality-altering pharmaceuticals. Even then, it will only be rendered mildly entertaining, and in no way useful or relevant.

This has been a Public Service Gratuitous Insult; thank you for reading.

Regards,

Gregg
SNDF show report : Comment 23 of 23ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 10-Oct-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Don Cox):
Agreed. Tho it was a bit thin on the non-Genesi stuff. Or was Genesi all that omnipresent as I was given the impression by this report? If so, more power to them.

In contrast:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/features/index.php?op=r&cat_id=1&rev_id=68&sort_by
A sickening, self-glorifying and ridiculous 'report.' A model for how show reports should not be done. And all very negative for those who want to see PPC based computers succeed in the market.
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