| [News] Amiga OS4 pre-release update available | ANN.lu |
| Posted on 10-Oct-2004 12:25 GMT by Peter Gordon | 112 comments
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Taken from AmigaWorld.net:
"It is with considerable satisfaction that Hyperion Entertainment can now announce the immediate availability for download of the first Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release update for registered Amiga OS 4.0 users."
Due to the extent and scope of the improvements incorporated into the update, it comes in the form of a full ISO image (33 MB) which needs to be burned on CD-R(W) by the user and is intended to replace the original Amiga OS 4.0 Developer Pre-release CD for installation and rescue purposes.
Please note that the file as well as the resulting CD is for personal use only and may not be distributed in any form to third parties.
Registered users may also opt to order a new full CD which also contains the updated SDK and contribution section (details and terms to be announced shortly).
Among the new features are:
* Kernel-Level Altivec support.
* Much improved compatibilty/speed of 68k emulation (JIT not included yet)
* Improved 68k FPU emulation
* Fully PowerPC-native Picasso96/graphics system
* Fully PowerPC-native MUI
* USB support for input devices
* Support for onboard serial and parallel hardware
* Driver support for the SiI0680 IDE adaptor (including UDMA support)
* Improved PIO mode VIA driver
* Improved Internet capabilities and better ethernet support.
* Printing support
* Improved audio hardware support, including new drivers.
* Comprehensive bug fixes, speed improvements, added features and functionality across all system components.
* and much more...
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 51 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by James Carroll on 11-Oct-2004 03:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 50 (drHirudo):
ALIENS! |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 52 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by me on 11-Oct-2004 04:18 GMT | | elvis. |
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| Posted by Don Cox on 11-Oct-2004 05:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 44 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
"Reinstall doesn't seem to do it. Strangely though he can boot from CD..."
There is bound to be one or two people with problems.
Having glanced through the new and pre-delete threads, the general response is that it installs easily and AOS4 is now much faster and more responsive. Seems to be a big success. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 56 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hagge on 11-Oct-2004 07:06 GMT | | Sweet, is "* Much improved compatibilty/speed of 68k emulation (JIT not included yet)" waisted work when JIT is actually released or will it be used sometimes then JIT isn't the best choice? |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 57 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 11-Oct-2004 08:34 GMT | In reply to Comment 56 (Hagge):
> will it be used sometimes then JIT isn't the best choice?
The interpreter will always be around for those cases where JIT fails. |
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| Posted by Rik Sweeney on 11-Oct-2004 08:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
* and much more...
Anyone know what the other little additions are? I know that Show All Icons now shows semi transparent icons for anything without an info |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 59 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 11-Oct-2004 08:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 55 (Don Cox):
> There is bound to be one or two people with problems.
Yeah, I guess that is inevitable.
> Having glanced through the new and pre-delete threads, the general response is
> that it installs easily and AOS4 is now much faster and more responsive. Seems
> to be a big success.
Well, I certainly hope so, seeing how much trouble we had with the server last night :-) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 60 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Mark on 11-Oct-2004 08:44 GMT | In reply to Comment 48 (hooligan/dcs):
Actually no its not, its more like:
click.
click.
oops its deleted
Mark |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 61 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 11-Oct-2004 08:45 GMT | In reply to Comment 43 (tomazkid):
Sorry if this was resolved in the meanwhile, but I just had an idea after a night's worth of sleep.
Couldn't it be old versions of commodities lying around in your wbstartup? That is, if you just did an upgrade.
They'd need to be moved from tools/commodities to wbstartup again. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 62 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 11-Oct-2004 09:17 GMT | Some interesting numbers:
AmigaOne + G4 + updated OS4 with AltiVec in the kernel level:
RC5-72: 11 403 264 keys/s
OGR-P2: 25 713 493 nodes/s
That's quite fast I could say :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 63 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Oct-2004 09:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 60 (Mark):
Yep. Click DELETE .. then answer
******* DO YOU REALLY REALLY WANT TO DELETE THE THREAD. IT WILL BE PERMANENTLY LOST! (YES / NO ) ********
How can one delete it by mistake is beyond my comprehension :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 64 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Rik Sweeney on 11-Oct-2004 09:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
Like this:
Click DELETE
******* DO YOU REALLY REALLY WANT TO DEL(click)
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whoops |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 65 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Oct-2004 09:51 GMT | | Hey btw, what software is now usable after there is paula -> ahi redirection? |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 66 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 11-Oct-2004 09:53 GMT | In reply to Comment 65 (hooligan/dcs):
Payback runs.. WBSteroids get sound. That's what I remember off the top of my head. There are other titles of course :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 67 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 11-Oct-2004 09:57 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
Better send them a mail!!!111 This is a mistery we HAVE to investigaet! ;D |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 68 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by hooligan/dcs on 11-Oct-2004 10:19 GMT | In reply to Comment 67 (Nicolas Mendoza):
You do that.. im off to shop some beers ;) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 69 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Thomas Würgler/Pagan on 11-Oct-2004 10:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 68 (hooligan/dcs):
Remember to get some for the rest of us. :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 70 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Graham_nli on 11-Oct-2004 11:50 GMT | In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
Maybe they meant to delete a different thread.
Regardless, it is rather an odd thing to accidentally do! Especially with such an important thread!
Also odd that there is no "undelete" function. With data-retention being so important you'd think that the function would mere mark the thread as "deleted" and maybe move it to a special hidden "deleted" forum. No blatto the entries permanently from the database! |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 71 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 11-Oct-2004 12:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 57 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> The interpreter will always be around for those cases where JIT fails.
In an automated sense, ie is there a scenario that will trigger execution with the interpreter? Or do you mean as a fallback option that must be manually selected if a program crashes with the compiler? Will the integration of the JIT be seamless on all levels, including the "complicated" stuff (self-modifying code, hooks, libraries and devices etc.)? |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 72 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MarkTime on 11-Oct-2004 12:14 GMT | In reply to Comment 9 (Almos Rajnai):
>>Because it is not ready for the job yet. Or you want a crashy system?
I do want a crashy system, would you work on that?
I dunno...having read the argument from both sides, it seems someone asked an innocent question about the JIT compiler and got the above type of sarcastic response.
I think what you are communicating is that people should not take an interest in the product.
If you read my post carefully, it contains no questions. Mission accomplished. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 73 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by MarkTime on 11-Oct-2004 12:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (MarkTime):
good grief. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 74 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 11-Oct-2004 12:26 GMT | In reply to Comment 70 (Graham_nli):
You should blame those guys who made Xoops, because AFAIK that's the system what AW.net is using. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 75 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 11-Oct-2004 15:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
Why not just blame it on the guy who screwed up? ;-)
I don't think he's gonna do that one again, and it's not like one thread is life or death for anyone (hopefully, or else that someone is in deep dodo now, right?). Ok, human error. It happens. Move on. Nothing to see (literally, it was deleted, so there's nothing to see :-) ) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 76 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 11-Oct-2004 15:48 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (MarkTime):
Yet your first sentence ends in a question mark. Odd. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 77 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Christopher Reeve on 11-Oct-2004 16:05 GMT | | OS4 is a dead project - which is being kept alive by idiots. |
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| Posted by Almos Rajnai on 11-Oct-2004 17:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 72 (MarkTime):
"I dunno...having read the argument from both sides, it seems someone asked an innocent question about the JIT compiler and got the above type of sarcastic response."
You don't have questions to me, but I do have one for you: what is sarcastic in my answer about a crashy system? In any release of AOS4, including but not limited to the prerelease stability is a main question. This is one thing why it takes a bit long while it reaches the average users.
I don't want to increase the instability with the half baked JIT emulation. I hope this is very clear now. I don't intend to be sarcastic at all.
Ask me if you are curious, my name is not Ralph. ;)
But please send the questions directly to me, I don't read ann.lu too often. The air here is... Hm... Let's say too Blue to me. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 79 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Almos Rajnai on 11-Oct-2004 17:47 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
> > The interpreter will always be around for those cases where JIT fails.
> In an automated sense, ie is there a scenario that will trigger execution with the interpreter?
Yes, eg. low memory situations.
> Or do you mean as a fallback option that must be manually selected if a program crashes with the compiler?
If the program crashes then no way to automatize the blacklisting, so it can be blacklisted by the user if really needed. (Blacklisted executables will never be emulated with dynamic recompilation then.)
> Will the integration of the JIT be seamless on all levels, including the "complicated" stuff (self-modifying code, hooks, libraries and devices etc.)?
Yes. Self modifying works if it flushes the caches properly, libraries, hooks, devices, plugins, whatever is emulated without any explicit request. |
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| Posted by Olegil on 11-Oct-2004 19:15 GMT | In reply to Comment 59 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
>> There is bound to be one or two people with problems.
>Yeah, I guess that is inevitable.
But why does it have to be me? ;-)
Problem one:
Cannot get Firmware to upgrade. Booting from CDROM written from ISO (directly with cdrecord, no extras) halts at error "No real ELF image installed as bootloader". Twice. So I didn't upgrade UBoot.
Problem two:
Upgrading the SLB turns my machine into an expensive paper weight. Machine halts with:
No config files found in any supported media/device!
No configuration found in any partition
Re-installing the old version worked, so I kept that ;-)
Problem three:
Installed the update on a fresh partition, renamed the old kickstart directory and copied across the new one to have a quick go. Halting at early boot menu, selecting the partition with the update as boot partition, go. Crashes at setpatch. Ooooh, this is starting to look like a fun evening.
Add to that, my new 4Mbit fiber-to-the-home worked for 15 whole minutes before shutting down completely today (I've had it for almost two weeks and have managed 15 minutes of surfing. Oh what joy). I am not amused.
Now I'm going home. Have forgotten to eat dinner today (oh well, I managed to squeeze down a whole pineapple, and it's still not too late to wok up some moose and add a bit of that uncle ben's tikka masala sauce I accidently purchased a while ago (hey, I know uncle ben sucks rats ass, I just couldn't get any other brands at the time...)) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 81 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Kjetil on 11-Oct-2004 20:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Olegil):
The update when like planed, I read the documents carefully before I started, not being to proud to not read them, then I updated the firmware whit out any problems brunt it whit Make-CD using RAW image (mode 2), then brunt the OS40 ISO image on a CD, installed the new slb_nolinux, every thing worked fine, tried boot the CD, and I forgot to tell uboot to boot from CDROM so it read all my kickstart files from workbench: and not from the CD, as result the Update CD opens an unsupported videomode, so removed the CD, boot form disk and updated OS40 from workbench, it all worked like a dram, tested the USB thing and it did not work at first, so I added the line "usbctrl start" to s:startup-sequence and it worked, I'm now using USB port for mice, and it allot smoother, every thing is faster, and lots of classic games that crashed or did not work, now works or is working better. listing directory's goes allot faster, gfx is extremely fast,
!! clearly the compatibility list at intuitionbase need to wiped now, that things have improved, !! |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 82 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by SlimJim on 11-Oct-2004 20:11 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Olegil):
Sorry to hear you have problems.
Everything worked well here -- but I updated Firmware from a floppy. It seems CD drives of various brands is definately an issue for some, so I'd try floppy installing (if you can).
I didn't boot from the newly created AOS4-update CD either (doing that gave me all sorts of weird things, like missing locales and stuff). Just inserting the disk after AOS4 was already loaded and clicking worked nicely. Then a trip into Media Toolbox and it was all done ... Hope you get it to work.
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SlimJim |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 83 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 11-Oct-2004 20:55 GMT | In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
> In an automated sense, ie is there a scenario that will trigger execution with
> the interpreter? Or do you mean as a fallback option that must be manually
> selected if a program crashes with the compiler? Will the integration of the JIT
> be seamless on all levels, including the "complicated" stuff (self-modifying
> code, hooks, libraries and devices etc.)?
It will contain a blacklist. Programs known not to work with JIT will get onto the list. Doing this automatically would perhaps be possible, but would be more effort than it's worth - after all a program may crash because the it contains bugs as well.
Other than that, JIT will run automatically. |
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| Posted by Graham_nli on 11-Oct-2004 20:58 GMT | In reply to Comment 81 (Kjetil):
It would be nice to see a decent review of the update, and how it has improved (and by how much, not just 'it is faster'!) over the previous version, including common software compatibility fixes, etc. Screenshots of new features as well.
Anyone up for this? Olegil? *runs* :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 85 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 11-Oct-2004 21:00 GMT | In reply to Comment 80 (Olegil):
> Cannot get Firmware to upgrade. Booting from CDROM written from ISO (directly
> with cdrecord, no extras) halts at error "No real ELF image installed as
> bootloader". Twice. So I didn't upgrade UBoot.
Just to make sure, you *did* boot with diskboot, not boota? Because that message looks like you have been using boota. (and yes, the U-Boot readme needs to be updated; I've heard that before today ;-)
> Upgrading the SLB turns my machine into an expensive paper weight.
> Machine halts with:
> No config files found in any supported media/device!
> No configuration found in any partition
If you upgrade SLB without upgrading U-Boot, I am surprised that it actually does anything at all. The new SLB requires the new u-Boot.
> Installed the update on a fresh partition, renamed the old kickstart
> directory and copied across the new one to have a quick go. Halting at early
> boot menu, selecting the partition with the update as boot partition, go.
> Crashes at setpatch. Ooooh, this is starting to look like a fun evening.
Heard this one before, but I can't make it happen on my machine. Do you have a serial line? If yes, please try to capture the output and send that to me privately, I'd like a peek at that. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 86 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by tomazkid on 11-Oct-2004 21:51 GMT | In reply to Comment 61 (Thomas Würgler/Pagan):
Your suggestion might be the solution. :)
Just checked, and the versions in WBstartup were indeed the older ones compared with those on the cd. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 87 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 01:54 GMT | In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
Overclocking voids your warranty! |
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| Posted by Olegil on 12-Oct-2004 06:22 GMT | In reply to Comment 82 (SlimJim):
I just now dd'ed the updater.image to a spare partition I set up yesterday and booted from that. It worked. The CD looks fine, and I can boot both the OS4-prerelease and the new update version from it...
Now I'll try updating the SLB again. Too bad I didn't get the new version of OS4 to boot, or I would be a happy camper (my 4Mbit is up and running again :- ) ) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 89 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 12-Oct-2004 06:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 85 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
I tried any number of combinations. Some gave me nothing, others gave me that error. I guess that error comes from when I tried boota, yes. diskboot 500000 2:0 didn't work any better (when I had the image on a partition, diskboot 500000 0:6 worked, though. So it's fine. I'm past that particular obstacle :-) ) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 90 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Olegil on 12-Oct-2004 06:24 GMT | In reply to Comment 85 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
I'll try to capture something later tonight. Now I should try to work some. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 91 of 112 | ANN.lu |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 92 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by miksuh on 12-Oct-2004 07:38 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Georg bush):
Just ignore that guy. Most of us who like OS4 do not think like that. Both sides have talented developers. |
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| Posted by miksuh on 12-Oct-2004 07:49 GMT | In reply to Comment 84 (Graham_nli):
How do you take screenshots from eg. these ? :)
* Kernel-Level Altivec support.
* Much improved compatibilty/speed of 68k emulation (JIT not included yet)
* Improved 68k FPU emulation
Those hings in the update improve OS4 alot, but most of those features are not things which you can see in the screenshots. |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 94 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Jon on 12-Oct-2004 08:01 GMT | In reply to Comment 93 (miksuh):
You don't take a screenshot. You take a video :) |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 95 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 08:16 GMT | In reply to Comment 94 (Jon):
Yea, but this time, keep the guy handling the mouse away from the coffee :P |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 96 of 112 | ANN.lu |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 97 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 09:27 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (George bush):
"I AM a special person "
Special troll ? |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 98 of 112 | ANN.lu |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 99 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 11:09 GMT | In reply to Comment 96 (George bush):
A happy version of the Polyhead eggdrop bot? |
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| Amiga OS4 pre-release update available : Comment 100 of 112 | ANN.lu |
| Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 11:35 GMT | In reply to Comment 91 (Georg bush):
Do not vote Bush! ;) |
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