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[News] ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS releasedANN.lu
Posted on 12-Oct-2004 08:51 GMT by Happy MOS User35 comments
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A first version of a ext2 fs/handler was released for MorphOS. It's still beta, but was reported to work well.

Read more about it on MorphOS-News.de
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 1 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 08:23 GMT
Great news! :-)
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 2 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Oct-2004 09:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Neat, where are the sources? Maybe someone wants to compile it for AROS and AmigaOS.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 3 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 09:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Perhaps it isnt a port of open source but code written from scratch?
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 4 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Oct-2004 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Last time I checked it used GPL code yes.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 5 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 09:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Available upon request? :-P
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 6 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Oct-2004 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nicolas Mendoza):
I could be wrong though.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 7 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Oct-2004 09:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Heh, you are right, I guess I'm too used to the normal witchhunt here at ANN.lu.

Hopefully someone with technical skills can ask the author, AROS has lacked a good way of intercommunicating with other filesystems for a while imho.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 8 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nicolas Mendoza):
I have kindly requested the sources from Marek, as soon as i get a reply from him i'll let you guys know.

Cheers
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 9 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 11:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Is there a FAT or NTFS handler on AROS?
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 10 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 11:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Amon_Re):
But are you SURE this is an open source program and not proprietary?
Nowhere in the readme I spot anything to base your conclusions on!
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 11 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 12-Oct-2004 12:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
But are you SURE this is an open source program and not proprietary?
Nowhere in the readme I spot anything to base your conclusions on!

Aha! So they're even violating the GPL in the documentation! Burn 'em! Burn 'em, I say! Eeeeaaahahahahahaaa!

Ho hum. Are we having fun yet?

Gregg
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 12 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by top on 12-Oct-2004 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Gregg):
will be great to see an amigaos 68k port at least too.
for UAE users.

this will help community.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 13 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
If it would not be opensource then how do you think it was ported to MOS ?

Ext2 is opensource as are most of the other GNU and linux stuff.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 14 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 12-Oct-2004 12:47 GMT
Me speculating that it is based on GPL is totally unfounded and I appologies, for my hasty conclusion. I confused this with something else.

Of course that doesn't mean it would be neat if it could be used with other Amiga clones too ;)
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 15 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Yes it is GPL or LGPL. You can find eg. MacOS port of ext2 from the sourceforge.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 16 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Golem on 12-Oct-2004 12:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
No, certain implementations of it are open source.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 17 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Golem):
I'm almost sure they used that MacOS port which is opensource. MacOS version is already ported to PPC.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 18 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 12-Oct-2004 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
yes, if it's compiled for the same cpu it will run everywhere!!1!
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 19 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 12-Oct-2004 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
That doesn't help you since Amiga (and presumably MorphOS) filesystem handlers don't work like *nix ones. It still takes a lot of work to make drivers for non-trivial filesystems such as ex2/3 or reiserfs for Amiga or clones.

Its entirely possible this was written from scratch. It may even have been easier than porting it.

OTOH, it may be based on open source code. The only people who know are the people who wrote it..
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 20 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Andrea Maniero on 12-Oct-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Peter Gordon):
I don't know wether it's completely closed source; however, a quick look at the readme would suggest so. In fact it's just an handler (not a complete filesystem) with read-only support ATM. These and the fact that it uses libDeviceIO (a MOS/Amiga SW) make me think that it might be an original development from scratch, still heavily WIP. If it was a port, I'd be lead to think it would have less MOS specific code/features in it, and would probably be a complete filesystem.
It's a very nice development nevertheless in both cases (be it OSS or closed source). Or am I wrong?
(yes, in case it uses GPL/LGPL code, the source code should be made available, but it's perfectly possible it's closed source)

Kind regards,
Andrea
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 21 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Couldn't it have been written from scratch? Isn't that the most
preferable for system components like this anyway, I mean, slick and
lean, NATIVE code should give far better performance than ported *nix
code, shoudln't it?

Like the well documented Amiga API made it possible to write
complete new OS's from scratch, such as MorphOS and AROS, wouldn't it
be possible to write a filesystem handler from scratch based on the
well spread ext2 documentation?
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 22 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 12-Oct-2004 14:12 GMT
Yawn, another thread destroyed by the GPL trolls and advocates.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 23 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Anonymous):
Just because AROS is open source doesn't mean that MorphOS or OS4 is
it too, even though they build on the same API. Different code from
different developers achieving the same thing, but still not the same!
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 24 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Andrea Maniero):
ixemul rules!
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 25 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by top on 12-Oct-2004 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Is it possible to get an AmigaOS 68k port of that filesystem too ?

please.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 26 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 12-Oct-2004 14:50 GMT
Uh, how could EXT2 be "open source"? It's a fileystem format, not a
piece of software. Well.. a filesystem format could be declared under
the GPL, I suppose, as it's not only valid for code. However, this
would then be with respect to modifications etc of the filesystem spec
itself, not of sourcecode capable of understanding the (original
specification of the) format.

Now, I don't really have much of a clue when it comes to filesystems,
but I doubt it's something you "port" easily from a *ix GPL source. To
the best of my knowledge, it's quite different on Amiga-like systems.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 27 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 12-Oct-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Nicolas Mendoza):
Even if ext2 has been released as GPL, you can still make a closed source software that can read/write to ext2, as long as you don't use the code that was originally used for ext2. There are such programs already for Microsoft Windows and don't have any leagal problems even if it's closed source.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 28 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 15:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
That's why i asked :D
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 29 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 12-Oct-2004 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (top):
will be great to see an amigaos 68k port at least too.
for UAE users.
this will help community.

Non sense
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 32 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (top):
There probably will be an 68k version shortly.

Cheers
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 33 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 12-Oct-2004 20:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Johan Rönnblom):
True, you don't port a linux filehandler easilly, but the core data manipulation code & read code should be portable, it's the interface between the hardware & the rest of the OS that's different.

Well, that's my understanding of it anyway ;)
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 34 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 13-Oct-2004 16:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Johan Rönnblom):
.. except if you could GPL a single data structure, all of the whining about
the unfairness of software patents would be totally invalidated.

So you can't just "GPL" the filesystem for sure. As far as I know Marcin coded this all on his own from the (very available) documentation, and not based on any GPL'd code.

Neko
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 35 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by top on 13-Oct-2004 16:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Anonymous):
>>...will be great to see an amigaos 68k port at least too.
>> for UAE users.
>> this will help community.

>Non sense

Amiga UAE users as WinUAE, Amithlon, LinuxUAE, others UAE and now AROS need several times to access to Linux partitions.
As several a Linux system in installed on their computer.


AND as only 68k AmigaOS 3.X apps can run on these Amiga systems, a 68 k port of that Linux File system will help that Amiga community to get access to their Linux partitions...


I hope you understand, why it is important, if a 68k port is made.


Sincerely
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 36 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (top):
minor nit: UAE on linux doesn't need it. You can set up UAE to simply use the host file system which certainly makes it easier to move files around.
ext2 filesystem/handler for MorphOS released : Comment 37 of 35ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (top):
>AND as only 68k AmigaOS 3.X apps can run on these Amiga systems, a 68 k port of that Linux File system will help that Amiga community to get access to their Linux partitions...

I understood, but there is a mistake.

AND as only 68k AmigaOS 3.X apps can run on these UAE systems, a 68 k port of that Linux File system will help that UAE community to get access to their Linux partitions...

So please stop put "Amiga" everywhere. The Amiga community = Amiga Classic, Aone and Pegasos users. nothing more.
When you emulate an atari on your pc you don't say "Atari community" so please don't say that for amiga.
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