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[Web] Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard"ANN.lu
Posted on 13-Oct-2004 11:34 GMT by takemehomegrandma49 comments
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Just a small notice about the progress of things: Terrasoft now officially lists the "Freescale Semiconductor Pegasos II BSP" on their website, along with information about the contents of the Yellow Dog Linux Board Support Package for the Pegasos II.

Yellow Dog Linux Board Support Package
Launched by Motorola, Freescale Semiconductor has embraced the ATX PowerPC Genesi Pegasos II motherboard as an OEM CPU evaluation board. At Freescale's request, Terra Soft completed in October of 2004 the official Board Support Package, offering a simple means of installing Yellow Dog Linux for a variety of code development, desktop, and server functions
.

Link to Yellowdogs OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) index:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/realworld/showcase/oem/index.shtml

Direct link to Yellowdog@Pegasos information:
http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/realworld/showcase/oem/freescale/

Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 1 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 09:51 GMT
A "CPU evaluation board"

In other words, a PegasosII is something like the TeronP but in that case it's an ArticiaS evaluation board

;-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 2 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Oct-2004 10:13 GMT
Hmm, from Terrasofts message I read:

- Freescale Semiconductor has embraced the Pegasos II as OEM
- Terra Soft completed the official Board Support Package on Freescales request

... and I can't help thinking how fortunate Genesi and the Pegasos is to have this kind of support from Freescale! Very encouraging!

:-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 3 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 10:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (takemehomegrandma):
Hope the good relationship with Freescale will translate into lower prices for the G4 CPU. Also hope that Hyperion will wake up now and recognize that Pegasos mainboards are here to stay and must be supported.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 4 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Oct-2004 10:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
Hehe, nice spin! ;-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 5 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Oct-2004 10:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
> Hope the good relationship with Freescale will translate into lower prices
> for the G4 CPU.

I believe that the relationship between Freescale and Genesi will result in lots of other things as well, things that perhaps could be considered far more interesting than "just" prices on components!

:-)

> Also hope that Hyperion will wake up now and recognize that Pegasos
> mainboards are here to stay and must be supported.

IMHO, supporting the Pegasos lies within their own interest, but it is also their decision to make. Ben Hermans etc has not exactly been over-enthusiastic about that thought.

From my own personal point of view, I can't say I really care at all about that though ...
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 6 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (takemehomegrandma):
> IMHO, supporting the Pegasos lies within their own interest

We shouldn't care so much what is in their best interest but what is in our best interest. Competition would drive hardware prices down for OS4 users. And hardware compatibility would allow developers to support both platforms (more software for us) and increase competition between OS4 and MorphOS (a better OS for us).
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 7 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 13-Oct-2004 12:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
> We shouldn't care so much what is in their best interest but what is in our
> best interest. Competition would drive hardware prices down for OS4 users.
> And hardware compatibility would allow developers to support both platforms
> (more software for us)

Yeah, competition is good, but it seems like Genesi is quite determined to push forward even without the competition of Eyetech though (which never had a competetive offer). Thinking about blade servers and other Pegasos Evolutions, I believe that Genesi is looking to be competetive to alternatives in the industry, *outside* this community.

Would OS4 users be interested in running their OS on a Pegasos III you think?

"Of course, with all the techies around, PPCNUX did not intend to pass up the chance to ask bplan about the future of Pegasos. As some might remember, there were plans for a G5 machine this year and bplan's appearance at german NBC GIGA TV where they presented Pegasos and announced a successor with updated features like Serial-ATA for autumn 2004. Good news for all the customers who ramained faithful - Pegasos III is not cancelled but will come with a different CPU. The close cooperation with Freescale made bplan choose the new SoC G4 with DDR2-667 support and PCI-Express to base their next-gen system on."

http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4208
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 8 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by miksuh on 13-Oct-2004 12:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
I think it would be great if OS4 would run on Pegasos boards. So yes, I think many of us would be interested.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 9 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 13-Oct-2004 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Anonymous):
Exactly. But those things (bigger possible market, a better and more popular product, product sales that aren't exclusively limited to simultaneous purchases of overpriced and outdated third party hardware products of dubious quality) would of course be in "their" interest as well. That is if "they" were a normal company.

This is an unusually weird situation. "Normally", customers and products might be screwed over if a company can make more money that way.
But here, both our (AmigaOS users) and their (Hyperion, as well as AInc/KMOS really) interests are pushed in the background. The current "business plan" is constructed on the vain hope or plain fantasy that hardware vendors would be interested in buying licences to sell AInc's/KMOS's software bundled with their hardware products. Mere interest from these vendors wouldn't be enough though, there would have to be sufficient interest and licensing income to outweigh the disadvantages with this nutty scheme: Smaller possible market and hardware base for AOS, more expensive hardware for AOS, restricted and reduced sales of AOS, AOS becoming a worse and less useful product by no fault of its own,... Well, you know all the usual bad things that come from doing bad things to your product and your customers, and then some.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 10 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (miksuh):
Perhaps Freescale would be interested in licensing it for their OEM Pegasos?
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 11 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 14:39 GMT
This Yellow Dog seems very easy to install! Boot from CD and install the Pegasos image, yes?
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 12 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
I found it quite strange that Pegasos guys try to say that Amigaone is more outdated than pegasos boards.

It's not more outdated than Pegasos, because it's based on exactly the same technology as Pegasos and Pegasos-II. If one board has Articia and other does not, it does not make other more outdated than the other. If you forget Articia and marwell, then those boards are wery similar. Layout of the board is irrelvant.

Also the pice differenc really is not huge, ok Pgeaso maybe is cheaper, but the difference is not huge. Both boards are overpriced when compared to PC.

I would not call G4 MAC's outdated either just because there is G5 etc.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 13 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
"If one board has Articia and other does not, it does not make other more outdated than the other."

The Discovery II has far far superiour performance and specifications. You could not really compare the two because they play in two completely different leagues!

"If you forget Articia and marwell, then those boards are wery similar."

Why should you remove the northbridges out of the picture? These are very important system components! Well, if you forget about x86 and PPC, then the Pegasos is very similar to a PC, but if you neglect key variables, comparisons become kind of pointless, yes?

"Layout of the board is irrelvant."

Eh, no it isn't! It affects both performance and stability. Look at the A1 Xe for instance. I have never had to buy extra IDE cards to be able to use the internal ethernet and IDE at the same time on any of my two VIA686b x86 motherboards!

"Also the pice differenc really is not huge, ok Pgeaso maybe is cheaper, but the difference is not huge."

Yes, the difference is actually HUGE! Look again!
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 14 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 13-Oct-2004 15:44 GMT
If only the Pegasos CPU ran at 1.5GHz and could run AmigaOS4. I'd buy one.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 15 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 15:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
> Also the pice differenc really is not huge, ok Pgeaso maybe is cheaper, but the difference is not huge

It's a bit cheaper, you are absolutely right about that, but price is only one factor. The other aspects are features, performance, reliability, build quality, flexibility (# of free slots), compatibility with Linux, even form factor and upgrade costs, eg. registered vs unregistered RAM. From a buyer's point of view, I want choice and the opportunity to buy the hardware that I think is best with OS4, not what "they" think is best for them. The licensing scheme effectively places their interests over the interests of customers. It's a form of detachment from demand that is at least a novel concept ;)

PS: Who is "they"? I don't know. They are they ;) KMOS, Hyperion, Mickey Mouse? Somebody must be making the decisions on that side.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 16 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 13-Oct-2004 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
Excuse me? Tell me where exactly can I find the DDR memory slots and the Gigabit
ethernet on my Pegasos 1 (or AmigaOne) then. Go on, go on...
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 17 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (takemehomegrandma):
That Embedded CPU IIRC?

Bah...So they are totally dependant to Freescale....

And what if they can't fullfill their promise of higher clockspeeds?
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 18 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 16:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
> That Embedded CPU IIRC? Bah... So they are totally dependant to Freescale...

The Amiga community, always so optimistic and able to see the bright side ;)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 19 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 13-Oct-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
Hello sunshine!

Well, if you got to lean on somebody, better lean on some STABLE GIANT, like one of the two PPC processor developers/manufacturers in this world, one with the most exciting upcoming CPU's, don't you agree!

I am sorry, but I really think that your attempt to belittle this is kind of funny!

:-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 20 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 05:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Ronald St-Maurice):
I understand, OS4 needs 1.5GHz because it has no JIT, just the relatively slow 68k emu. ;-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 21 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 05:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
>And what if they can't fullfill their promise of higher clockspeeds?

They could always choose to produce the 970eval board if it's any good.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 22 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 07:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
So what if Marwell has a bit different features than Articia ? World is full of chips which do have a bit different features than their competitors, that does not mean some chips are more outdated than others.

Articia is not any old chip it maybe is not exatcly similar to Marwell, but it does not make it outdated
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 23 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
"Yes, the difference is actually HUGE! Look again!"

No, IT IS NOT
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 24 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 07:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Anonymous):
bullshit.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 25 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
10/100 Mbit ethernet is not outdated, it's much more common than 1GBit. And if some boards do not have 1GBit ethernet it does not make it outdated. gigabit ethernet and firewire are just features which are added to board or not. Not even all modern PC's have 1GBit ethernet or firewire, and those sure are not outdated boards.

So saying that board which does not have 1GBit or firewire is outdated is bullshit.

Pegasos-II does not have rg. SATA-controller so you are actually saying Pegasos-II is wery outdated board ?
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 26 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 07:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Pegasos-II does not have eg. SATA-controller so you are actually saying Pegasos-II is wery outdated board ?
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 27 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
Bplan does not use it anymore, so it is an outdated chip.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 28 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
It has SATA just like AmigaOne has UDMA IDE controller - via PCI card. ;)
SDR Ram is very outdated, too.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 29 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 12:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
Sure, and AmigaOne can have Firewire and 1GBit ethernet and SATA using PCI-card too.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 30 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
And BPlan is tiny litle company. What bplan uses really does not define what is outdated and what is not. Most of the companies in the IT industry would think that BPlan is somekind group of hobbyist running "company" in their bed room. And they would not be so wrong.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 31 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 13:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Anonymous):
If bPlan are a tiny little hobby company, what does that make Amiga Inc? Girl Guides running a jumble sale? :-P
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 32 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Anonymous):
Every Amiga company is wery small.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 33 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 14-Oct-2004 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
If you didn't notice we also use IBM CPUs.

Not so much dependant on Freescale as on PowerPC; not so much on Freescale's specific PowerPC processors, but just that Freescale have the ones that meet our plans and goals. IBM's SoC line doesn't include an FPU in any iteration.

Neko
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 34 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 19:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Neko):
>IBM's SoC line doesn't include an FPU in any iteration.

The Blue Gene chip has.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 35 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-Oct-2004 20:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
He said that the Peg2 is just as outdated as the AmigaONE and Pegasos1.
I am a Pegasos1 owner what I meant is that there are many *modern* features
on the Peg2 that are not on the old boards. You seem to have ignore DDR for
instance. It's getting harder and harder to get Registered PC133 DIMMs.
And about another guy, claiming that the Articia*S* is not outdated, it's a
3-4 year old chip. It doesn't even have an MPX bus, it uses the 60x one.
Now, about the Gigabit Ethernet, it's "a bit" faster to have it on the northbridge
itself and not on the PCI bus, isn't it? :-)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 36 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 14-Oct-2004 20:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Blue Gene is a SUPERCOMPUTER isn't it?

We're talking about System-on-Chip. Different kind of SC :)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 37 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 22:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Neko):
You do realize there is the basic 440 core and the 440FPU?
IBM added some magic pixie dust and voilĂ  you have your Blue Gene CPU.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 38 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2004 07:58 GMT
By the way MicroA1-I will have gigabit ethernet and firewire on motherboard.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 39 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2004 08:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Anonymous):
It also has 256MB ram on board, so if you "can't find" suitable memorymodules you can still use the computer.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 40 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2004 08:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anonymous):
And even if you buy MicroA1-C then possibly more expensive memory should not be any problem, because there is Radeon on motherboard and you don't need to buy it. For Pegasos you need to buy gfx-card, and I think it would be more expensive than SODIMM module for the MicroA1.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 41 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 15-Oct-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
If you can buy this chip without being employed by IBM Research, then maybe it would be a viable project. Oh, and what about PCI Express? :)

Neko
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 42 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2004 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
> because there is Radeon on motherboard and you don't need to buy it. For Pegasos you need to buy gfx-card, and I think it would be more expensive than SODIMM module for the MicroA1.

Your forget to tell that there is an extremly lousy Radeon on the mainboard: a Radeon 7000 chip. The next in line is the Radeon 7500. That card is THREE times faster in 3D with most benchmarks (UT etc). And it costs 35 EUR new.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/images/image081.gif
In those benchmarks, the Radeon 7000 comes in last of all thirty cards tested in December 2002.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 43 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas Wolf on 15-Oct-2004 11:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
> the two PPC processor developers/manufacturers in this world

There are three: Freescale, IBM, AMCC
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 44 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Andreas on 15-Oct-2004 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Neko):
http://www.amcc.com/Compinfo/PressReleases/100504a.htm
...but unfortunately no FPU ;-(
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 45 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 15-Oct-2004 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Andreas):
EXACTLY!

And AMCC aren't planning on an FPU either; the FPU core generates
"too much" heat and uses up a lot of die space. They say you can
buy a DSP instead..

.. which brings us to use Freescale's line-up. AltiVec is the best
DSP you can buy.

Neko
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 46 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 15-Oct-2004 13:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Neko):
Hello Neko,

great to see you do not pursue your SPE idea any further but concentrate on the "real thing". :)
Altivec is also not too expensive, let's have a look at http://www.ppcnux.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4252 - the brand new 7447A LOW POWER with 1GHz is a mere 145.53USD now.
W00t!
What are you paying for your chips? ;)
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 47 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 15-Oct-2004 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (tarbos):
I still like the SPE idea. But you'd have to recompile every MorphOS app that
assumed the FPU was there.. in hindsight not the best MorphOS device in the
world. FPU emulation via SPE is working and okay though, and redirecting the
GPRs can be done in software (compile time).

For Linux though, why not? :D

Neko
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 48 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 15-Oct-2004 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Anonymous):
I got myself a Voodoo4 for my Peg1, instead of my Radeon7k. I paid
about 25 EUR for it, including postage. As for gfx speed, I don't
notice a lot of difference, the r7k was enough for what I needed it
for. But the V4 has very noticeably better picture quality. So I'm
pretty happy the R7k was not soldered onto the motherboard.
Terrasoft lists Pegasos II as "Freescale OEM motherboard" : Comment 49 of 49ANN.lu
Posted by hammer on 16-Oct-2004 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
Actually, big chunks of them do have GigaE (using K7/K8 NV market as reference).

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