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Posted on 14-Oct-2004 05:18 GMT by Jubal H30 comments
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Does anyone have a valid mailing address for KMOS? I have some legal documents I'm trying to get through to them and the address supplied to me appears to be very old, as the post office returns the mail stamped "Wrong Address" and no new address has been left.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 1 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 05:01 GMT
Let's all ask them for the T-shirts!!
KMOS mailing address : Comment 2 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 14-Oct-2004 05:28 GMT
What address did you use?

-- gary_c
KMOS mailing address : Comment 3 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 05:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (gary_c):
We could try the "official" information@kmos.com or maybe garryhare@amiga.com for a start. The guys over at Amigaworld.net probably have his address since they coordinated an interview with him.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 4 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 05:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
But if I think about it, he may not be so forthcoming with giving out his postal address to be served with legal papers... :-7
KMOS mailing address : Comment 5 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 06:08 GMT
KMOS Inc
1733 North Spring Street
Los Angeles, CA 90012
KMOS mailing address : Comment 6 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 14-Oct-2004 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
The reason I asked was to get a better idea if the guy posting actually tried mailing something, or if this is just another of those "where's Amiga/KMOS?" threads. Seems like it'd be a lot easier to get the address by asking Hyperion or Eyetech privately or posting at Amigaworld.net rather than here.

-- gary_c
KMOS mailing address : Comment 7 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 14-Oct-2004 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
That's KM Office Services, not related (AFAIK ;-) ).

-- gary_c
KMOS mailing address : Comment 8 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Jubal on 14-Oct-2004 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Yes, already tried mailing them, the post office has only one address on file, and it's no longer current. I even tried Amiga's address labeled "KMOS, c/o Amiga Inc." only to have it returned as well.

I tried the contact information from their website, but, well, that led nowhere.

I contacted Amiga's previous landlord, who said he would be more than eager to provide me with a current address, if he had one. I figure Amiga Inc should know where they are.

All I'm looking for is a mailing address. I don't know what all the cloak and dagger is about. A simple PO BOX would be fine, I'm not looking for someone's home address for christ sakes.

Hyperion won't give me a contact address. Eyetech won't give me a contact address.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 9 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 14-Oct-2004 11:43 GMT
What`s that admin address on the domain registration?

John Grzymala (jgrzymala@aol.com)
+1.2032539298
Fax: +1.-
17 Deer Track Lane
Goldens Bridge, NY 10526
US

The phone number is a mobile Cellco Partnership Dba Verizon Wireless - Ct
KMOS mailing address : Comment 10 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by kalmar on 14-Oct-2004 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Jubal):
Just out of interest, what are the legal documents relating to?
KMOS mailing address : Comment 11 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 14-Oct-2004 14:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Jubal):
"All I'm looking for is a mailing address. I don't know what all the cloak and dagger is about. A simple PO BOX would be fine, I'm not looking for someone's home address for christ sakes."

You are. What makes you think KMOS has a external office? If Garry Hare has any sense, he will be working from home.

And why would he want to receive these "legal papers"?
KMOS mailing address : Comment 12 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 14-Oct-2004 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
Personally I think this post is a little dubious, but so is a corporation that can't be reached via regular mail - at least a P.O. Box. I'm sure there is a way to contact KMOS and an appropriate state-sponsored registry somewhere with that information?

Well, in any case, given the current climate, the posting does have a considerable chance of being trouble-stirring more than anything else. But of course, it could, in theory, be legitimate.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 13 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 14-Oct-2004 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Janne):
Doesn't an US company have to have a regular address where it can be reached? In italy such things are mandatory.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 14 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 14-Oct-2004 15:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Fabio Alemagna):
Maybe it's an offshore company...
KMOS mailing address : Comment 15 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Jon Mines on 14-Oct-2004 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Fabio Alemagna):
In my state, Washington, a company has to have a "registered agent". This agent is the contact point for anyone outside of the company. Most times a registered agent is a law firm.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 16 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Jon Mines on 14-Oct-2004 16:38 GMT
Well, Delaware has a KMOS, Inc. on the records. Their website gives basic information for free, you have to pay US$10 to get business status or US$20 for all the information available.

I'm guessing someone could call the registered agent phone number and find out if this is the right KMOS.

A simple free search from their website gave this information:

File Number: 3712284
Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 10/07/2003
Entity Name: KMOS, INC.
Entity Kind: CORPORATION
Entity Type: GENERAL
Residency: DOMESTIC
State: DE

REGISTERED AGENT INFORMATION

Name: XL CORPORATE SERVICES, INC.
Address: 15 EAST NORTH STREET
City: DOVER
County: KENT
State: DE
Postal Code: 19901
Phone: (302)678-0855
KMOS mailing address : Comment 17 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Jubal on 14-Oct-2004 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Don Cox):
> You are. What makes you think KMOS has a external office? If Garry Hare has any sense, he will be working from home.

If so, if he had any sense, he'd have a PO BOX. That would be fine. Anyway, I'm not looking for Garry Hare's contact info, I'm looking for "KMOS INC's" contact info. The whole reason you incorporate is to provide a distinction between the two. If he feels comfortable using the same postal address for both individual legal entities, then that's the address I'd need, but that's specifically not what I'm looking for.

> And why would he want to receive these "legal papers"?

How can you reasonably expect to do business if you can't recieve legal papers? Why would you want to hide the address of an incorporated company anyway? It's a separate legal entity. No matter what the papers contain, they are addressed to the legal entity "KMOS", NOT "Garry Hare"... if Garry Hare were obstructing the legal entity "KMOS" from being reached, then the incorporation no longer protects him, as he is obstructing due process between a party and an incorporation. That could be big trouble for him, even though the contents of said papers are rather docile. That just doesn't make much sense, and I don't know why anyone would take that unnecessary risk, so I can only conclude that any reasonably intelligent person would not attempt to possibly incriminate himself in this way.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 18 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Jubal on 14-Oct-2004 19:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Fabio Alemagna):
Depends on the type of company. an incorporation, a corporation, or any other abstract that legally becomes it's own entity must have it's own address... and that's to protect the people running the company!

They do have a registered address, but it's outdated and undeliverable.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 19 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 15-Oct-2004 18:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jubal):
Hold a seance? Hire a psychic? Telephone around t shirt printing businesses?
KMOS mailing address : Comment 20 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 16-Oct-2004 06:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Jubal):
"How can you reasonably expect to do business if you can't recieve legal papers?"

I expect the people Garry wants to do business with have a contact address. Why would he want to receive legal papers from anyone else?


"Why would you want to hide the address of an incorporated company anyway?"

To avoid nuisance mails from the Amiga Community, unwanted pizza deliveries, Rich Woods Photographic Surveys Inc, etc.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 21 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Oct-2004 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
No, you don't get it... The address of an incorporated company MUST be public.
Hiding it to people "who don't need it" isn't even legal.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 22 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by ppprimemover on 17-Oct-2004 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
...as long as this community acts like the loonies from a three-walled assylum,
you can expect to see and hear less and less from Garry. Until the inmates,
as a whole, behave in such a way as to make him actually DESIRE to be
involved, (because of good vibes and professionalism that can be relied on for the long haul) he WON'T be. Simple. So those few Amigans amongst the blue and red
who still claim any last vestige of sanity/credibility, and hope for a HARE
SIGHTING, bring lots of food and drink, and a warm blanket. It'll be an
all-nighter...
KMOS mailing address : Comment 23 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 17-Oct-2004 19:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (ppprimemover):
"Neurotics build castles in the air, psychotics live in them"

Surely hearing about T Shirts having gone to the printers then not receiving the T shirt, nor hearing about anyone who has gives a little sense of reality.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 24 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 18-Oct-2004 01:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (ppprimemover):
...as long as this community acts like the loonies from a three-walled assylum, you can expect to see and hear less and less from Garry.

Interesting perspective, but I hope Garry Hare's actual reasons for being out of touch aren't so petty.

First of all, there are the legal requirements that corporations have contact addresses. Secondly, there've been *legitimate* efforts to reach the company for such things as requesting use of trademarks, not to mention pursuing business possibilities, efforts that haven't been successful due to bad postal addresses and unanswered emails. Third, it makes the company *appear* to be in hiding, which is especially suspicious in view of Amiga, Inc.'s unpaid debts and suits lost with judgements outstanding. Maybe KMOS is contacting the parties involved and meeting its obligations with no word of this getting out, but in view of the company's ongoing tendency to remain dormant and people's tendency to want to go public, this is unlikely. "Loonies" in the community are really irrelevant, in view of the more serious things involved. I assume KMOS was willing to accept them as the background noise that comes with the Amiga purchase. If you think about it, what most people say they would like to see from KMOS is just some sign of normal business functions, nothing more.

-- gary_c
KMOS mailing address : Comment 25 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by ppprimemover on 18-Oct-2004 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (gary_c):
So you get to decide what the normal business practices od KMOS are?
KMOS may consist of little more than a laptop, checkbook, and phone
list of investors...I don't know. If they have some salaried or
contract coders working on DE, or with TAO, you might try asking
them to pass along a message or two. If you have a killer business
proposal, try Donald Trump. He's richer, has special hare --oops--
HAIR, and is easier to find. If you have Closet Skeletons for sale,
I doubt he'll show any interset, let alone show up on radar. I
suspect, based only a couple mp3'd speeches he gave, that he probably
knows who wants to see him and why. That kind of knowledge is probably
more part and parcel of "normal" day to day KMOS business practice than
anything concocted on Amiga forums. Until you gain the powers necessary
to find those elusive grail-bearers registered in the sovereign kingdom
of Deleware, I'd push the Trump angle a little harder.
Could make a cool Reality show pilot...goog luck.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 26 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 18-Oct-2004 07:01 GMT
>he probably knows who wants to see him and why

As well as the T Shirt wasn`t there something about contacting amiga software authors and offering to pay them for their efforts?

Sure that got a few people trying to make contact.

No one has popped up even anonymously to post "KMOS are OK"
KMOS mailing address : Comment 27 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Seargent Friday on 18-Oct-2004 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (John Block):
I recently tried to arrest him in L.A. I climbed to the top
of the Hollywood hills, and shouted down thru a bullhorn,
"Garry Hare! Come out with your hands up! You have no P.O. Box,
and that is naughty. I'll give you 30 seconds." Although it was
windy that day, I'm sure I heard a frightened voice say something
like, "Alice, they're on to us! Fire up the Jet-Ranger and get the
dufflebag of cash...we'll fly south over international waters
and..." -I couldn't make out the rest, and the trail went cold
from there. I didn't believe a word of it, and drove NORTH to
check Governor Scharzeneggar's heliport, but still no luck.
This guy is good.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 28 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by Cybes on 20-Oct-2004 13:11 GMT
This whole thing smells of a witch hunt. Sure the legal concerns may be valid. But lets face it with nutcases that run amock in this community, hell, if i had a choice, i sure would want to do my best to avoid any contact with them too. They waste time, and in turn money. And they'd just cause needless stress and worry and start up the usual political bullshit which seems to come with this non-sense.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 29 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 20-Oct-2004 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Cybes):
A wizard hunt!

Did dogbert hypnotise the guy into telling a direct lie to the most dedicated amiga followers when he did not have to?

Also shudder to think of the time and money his collegues have wasted users persuading them to carry on using relativly slow machines on the promise of just two more weeks.
KMOS mailing address : Comment 30 of 30ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 20-Oct-2004 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (John Block):
That should be "what appears to be a direct lie" as it is a statement of opinion.
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