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[Unmoderated] Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS!ANN.lu
Posted on 22-Oct-2004 20:41 GMT by 102 comments
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http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2004-10-00131-DE.html for an english translation: "due to absolutely unsatisfactory co-operation on the part of Genesi and disregard of a contract within one period from now meanwhile scarcely 16 months, it is to be supported us unfortunately not possible the Pegasos and thus particularly MorphOS regarding an adapted version from AmiATLAS to.

This applies accordingly also to all other projects e.g. OctaMed Soundstudio or XiPaint. Our emphasis will be thus logically AmigaOne and/or AmigaOS4. We regret it, however the past process does not lie in our hand. Nevertheless all MorphOS Usern for the future much fun with the system!

AmiATLAS development team, Gerd frank

KMOS paid him to work on OS4 projects only! Eyetech gave him a FREE AmigaTeron. Hyperion gave him a FREE OS4 kit.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 51 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Oct-2004 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (hooligan/dcs):
> Frank was promised Pegasos in November 2002, in july 2003 he still hadnt got
> it, and now that we are turning to 2005 he decided that he has had enough?

According to his post he has apparently been waiting for a free Peg (or something) during the last 16 months, and while that fact of course is sad, there is this same old explanation as always to this - the sudden cash-flow shortage due to the Pretory crisis. I believe Genesi found themselves in a situation where they had to choke as many costs as possible, especially those who didn't lead to a direct revenue in return. Priorities had to be made. This was discussed in the context of the Pegasos 2 upgrade programme too, which temporarily was put on hold last spring due to the very same circumstances. Genesi could only produce that many Pegasos motherboards at that time, and they had to prioritize those who paid money for them. If they would have continued to give away systems to the left and right for free at that time, they would have done that at their own peril. That was simply out of the question, and I think that is absolutely understandable. But it's sad to see Frank making this decision now, after the major part of these dark months is already over and things seems to be looking kind of bright again. A few people with "phreeboards" who bought Pegasos II's has passed on their old Peg1's to other developers for free, and Freescale is giving away more than one hundred free systems in three batches, in an offer that was open to *any* PPC developer, even OS4 ones. But no-one seem to have remembered Franks name in any of these occasions. Perhaps he wasn't visible enough on the radar screens, perhaps he simply fell between two chairs or something, I don't know. I can't say I blame him for his decision, and I can't say I blame Genesi either, because I can't see how they could have done it differently because of the situation they were in. It has just been a quite unfortunate situation. Ah, well ...
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 52 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 23-Oct-2004 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (takemehomegrandma):
And while he say he has been waiting for a peg for 16 months, the Pegasos II has only been available for 10 months, not even a full year yet. And the production runs during this period has constantly been too low in volume (for the same reason as allways - cash flow). The demand for Pegasos boards has constantly been much higher than the available suply, to many eager peoples annoyance. This probably only made it even more difficult to *give away* boards (=only a cost) at the expense of real sales possibilies (=revenue to pay bills) during that time.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 53 of 102ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 51 (takemehomegrandma):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 54 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 23-Oct-2004 13:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (gary_c):
"He's upset because he didn't get free Genesi hardware."

Or more exactly, because he was promised some and then didn't get it.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 55 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Don Cox):
>Or more exactly, because he was promised some and then didn't get it.

Or even better, had a contract which was broken by Genesi. (If I interpret his words correctly of course)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 56 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Troels on 23-Oct-2004 13:49 GMT
I will look forward to see the program on OS4, shame for the MOS users though.

Seems that Buck's promises backfires when he doesn't deliver as promised.
I can fully understand Genesis situation back then, but Buck should have made a statement saying that they have trouble delivering the free stuff because of the Pretory thing.
I think honesty would have been appreciated and made developers (and some employees?) stick to Genesi. Should have thought Amiga companies had learned a lesson about honesty, but I guess not.

-----------------------
Alkis, please don't use that kind of language (even if he deserves it:)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 57 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 23-Oct-2004 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (takemehomegrandma):
You don't have to inform me about dates ;)

The dates I gave are based on Frank's emails so they are 100% accurate. I want to add that my impression is that he was contracted to port the map-program, but not SoundStudio. Some discussions were made about SS where I was also a part of but nothing was realised.

Anyway, he WAS indeed promised a free board and he never got one, one minus for Genesi. Not even not when things are better. I'd have stopped waiting two years ago, the guy has patience.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 58 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
LOL! Alkis, I thought you sworn not to act like a troll anymore.
Now don't lose you tamper....It'll give you a high blood presure, and that's not very healthy...

Really, I do care about you....

Now...gimmi a kiss, you naughty boy....;-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 59 of 102ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 53 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Insults
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 60 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (hooligan/dcs):
The post say 16 months but maybe you are right and he was promised a Peg1 when they first was made on the pre april times. Many developers got boards for free back then (rather later) I guess he was forgotten or such. Poor guy, no one deserves that, to not having free boards. I wonder if he has made the condition to not develop for OS4 unless he get A1 for free, or I wonder if he has hecitations to pay twice the money for the A1 then a Peg would have costed him, and develop for that even he had to pay for it himself. Well I whish him the best of luck in the future on his platform of choice. The A1 is a very fine piece of hardware as he will notice. Now the future success of his programs is given!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 61 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Oct-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Troels):
Sorry Troels, some stuff must be said the way they are sometimes.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 62 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by a1 user on 23-Oct-2004 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Hear hear! The Red Brigade trolling.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 63 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 23-Oct-2004 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Anonymous):
I have email here from Gerd, dated Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:22:07 +0200, which has the statement "Genesi/bPlan/Thendic/whatsever promised me already last november".

This will be my last post on this matter. People who knows shit about anything can argue till the judgement day for what i care :)

carry on people.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 64 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 15:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
> As has been said before, the KMOS part was an invention of the person that posted the news item here. I don't know what happened there, but there is no proof that someone paid someone - it's pure speculation.

Well Hans-Joerg, you are saying the Kmos has not even paid you yet?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 65 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Darth_X on 23-Oct-2004 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Anonymous):
Anonymous = Troll!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 66 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 23-Oct-2004 17:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Anonymous):
No, he says that Gerd has nothing to do with KMOS.
And BTW, why would KMOS pay Hyperion? I think that Hyperion sells the OS
and ex-AmigaInc/KMOS collects their royalties, nothing more.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 67 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 17:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
"This will be my last post on this matter ... carry on people."

Exactly. While this was sad in a way, I am not surprised at all. There are probably some other people out there too who are still hoping for free Pegs, maybe they will get one some day (if so, then lycky them), maybe not (too bad for them). In any case they should have applied for the Freescale offer. If they didn't, then they simply blew their chances this time. Maybe there will be more opportunities like this in the future, who knows? In any case, this is not a very big deal anyway. Shit happens, but life goes on ...
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 68 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
PS.

Anyone really interested in the Pegasos could simply click on the Vesalia banner at the top. They are selling all this (a complete system):

Pegasos II G3 System 1+:
Pegasos II Mainboard with G3/600 Mhz,
80 GB HDD incl. 2 UDMA cables,
512 MB DDR-RAM,
Radeon 9200SE with 128 MB,
DVD-ROM 16x/48x,
MicroATX case black,
Logitech Pro keyboard and
optical mouse black,
MorphOS/Superbundle pre-installed

for only 683.90 Euro. This price INCLUDES German VAT. This is really cheap, everything except the monitor is included, and everyone can afford it!

:-)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 69 of 102ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Message removed by Christophe Decanini for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 70 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 18:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Darth_X):
nope...anonymous = anonymous and troll = troll
Please get your facts straight. ;-)

The confirmatator (hollywood , here I come! )
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 71 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 18:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Anonymous):
Everybody can affort it, but since there are so many people in this "community" that don't have one.

I guess that nobody wants one. ;-)

Alkis, you turn.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 72 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 19:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
> I guess that nobody wants one. ;-)

nobody := 2000
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 73 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Richi on 23-Oct-2004 20:02 GMT
Os4 is takin off!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 74 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Oct-2004 20:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Richi):
> Os4 is takin off!

That's what the Freescale engineer said to his partner when he tossed his Teron reference boards into the trash. His partner was pissed because he was actually a secret OS4 betatester. GRRRR!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 75 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 23-Oct-2004 22:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Anonymous):
Darth_X was right on:

anonymous does equal troll.

;)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 76 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 03:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
>> Os4 is takin off!

> That's what the Freescale engineer said to his partner when he tossed his Teron reference boards into the trash. His partner was pissed because he was actually a secret OS4 betatester. GRRRR!

He did not throw away a fully functional Teron, it was not functional at all.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 77 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 04:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Anonymous):
But all teron boards are non-functional, so who cares?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 78 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 06:19 GMT
Gerd is just another whiney Amiga developer that thinks Commodore is still around and what he has done is worth something. AmiAtlas is out-dated compared to http://www.navteq.com/ and only for Europe. The more guys like this that go the more new developers that come the better. BYE!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 79 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 06:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Anonymous):
Turning away from the imagined controversy and drama for a moment, what's the point of AmiAtlas today?

There's no AmigaOS/MOS for laptops or PDAs, ie something you can use on the road, and at home you've got a boatload of both free and commercial internet map services at your fingertips.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 80 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 07:36 GMT
Where's The Gladiator, huh?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 81 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Fjudde on 24-Oct-2004 08:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Anonymous):
"But all teron boards are non-functional, so who cares?"


I guess i depends on what OS you try to run on it. I don´t think Amiga OS 4 would run on a Teron. That´s why people by the AmigaOne board instead.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 82 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Framiga on 24-Oct-2004 08:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Golem):
"They promised him a Pegasos board, he never received it.

From OctaMED-Amiga on Yahoo! Groups:

"I have a contract with Genesi for a Pegasos because of a deal with AmiATLAS.
By now I wait since june 2003 for this board... No more hope...
And these guys already know about my plans, seems there is no interest.
So A1/OS4 is the only and right choice for me!""

nothing new . . . as usual
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 83 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 10:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fjudde):
You could flash the latest uboot update on a teron and voilá, youve got yourself an Amiga One.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 84 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Framiga):
Free free free ...
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 85 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Anonymous):
...or do the smae thing on the Pegasos and you have an Amiga Two, too! It works...;-)

@Frank...Genesi just gave away hundresds of machines to developers.

http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20041011-newsletter.xml

Maybe there was a reason AmiAtlas did not get one?! Did he really have a contract with Genesi? I doubt it. This is just red troll apologists and in my opinion what do you do with AmiAtlas in a car? Extension cord please!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 86 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 24-Oct-2004 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
That was Freescale, not Genesi.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 87 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 13:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Anonymous):
2000 != This "community". Or are freescale and Sony part of this "commuity" ?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 88 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Oct-2004 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
"...or do the smae thing on the Pegasos and you have an Amiga Two, too! It works...;-)"

Does it really? Have you tried it yourself?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 89 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 24-Oct-2004 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Anonymous):
Indeed, I do all the map/GPS stuff on my phone :)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 90 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2004 02:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fjudde):
teron=AmigaONE
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 91 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2004 05:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Anonymous):
No,
Teron = LinuxPPC box and for Linux it's doesn't work error free Yet.
AmigaONE = AmigaOS4 box and for AmigaOS4 all the features except the VIA IDE UDMA with DMA enabled interface doesn't work yet.

But the uAmigaONE is supposed to change that.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 92 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Oct-2004 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
"Indeed, I do all the map/GPS stuff on my phone :)"

OctaMED will be useful, anyway.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 93 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2004 07:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Anonymous):
>AmigaONE = AmigaOS4 box and for AmigaOS4 all the features except the VIA IDE UDMA with DMA enabled interface doesn't work yet.

Now it does :)
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 94 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2004 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Anonymous):
I mean at the same time as Ethernet DMA for example or is that problem fixed too?

That would be great news!
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 95 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Stefan Burström on 25-Oct-2004 08:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Anonymous):
>I mean at the same time as Ethernet DMA for example or is that problem fixed too?

Yes, I don't see any lockups with ethernet any more. Still lots of testing left to be done, but I think I finally got the patch to work.

rgds,
Stefan
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 96 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Oct-2004 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Anonymous):
Have you ever heard about laptops ? Ofcourse there is no Amiga laptop right nmow, but if you need AmiAtlas when you are in car you can use laptop and UAE. So you can use same application with your desktop Amiga and laptop with UAE.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 97 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Oct-2004 15:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Stefan Burström):
"Yes, I don't see any lockups with ethernet any more. Still lots of testing left to be done, but I think I finally got the patch to work.

rgds,
Stefan"

I think congratulations are in order if you have really cracked it. From what you posted in Another Place, it seems to be a matter of cutting a few tracks and soldering in a few patch wires. If so, any competent electronics technician should be able to do it.

Let's hope the tests come out well.

Now how about the built in sound, which I have always assumed was also a board layout bug?
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 98 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 26-Oct-2004 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (Fjudde):

"But all teron boards are non-functional, so who cares?"

I guess i depends on what OS you try to run on it. I don´t think Amiga OS 4 would run on a Teron. That´s why people by the AmigaOne board instead.



you support the AmigaOS40 development, if you buy the AmigaOne, if you buy the Teron then you get board whit the wrong firmware version and checksum, you can upgrade it whit firmware used on the AmigaOne, and you don get the AmigaOS, so you most pirate it from some where, you do not get any serial number of any updates from Hyperion, you do not get access to private AmigaOS40 user forums,
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 99 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2004 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Kjetil):
"you support the AmigaOS40 development, if you buy the AmigaOne"

How? The OS4 is sold separately, and Hyperion is not getting any money from Eyetech.
Gerd Frank sells out to KMOS! : Comment 100 of 102ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Oct-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Anonymous):
... and of course, when you buy OS4 from Hyperion to your Teron board, you will also get a valid serial number and access to forums etc.
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