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AmigaPOP.8bit.co.uk is finally online!

Here you'll hopefully find all information you could possibly want about the "AmigaOS distribution policies and POP/PPC hardware petition". I hope the background information and FAQ will be especially helpful to clear up any confusion surrounding these issues.

If you have not yet signed the petition, then please do so now! Please help spreading the word by linking to AmigaPOP.8bit.co.uk. It's not too late to save our favourite OS and a unified POP-based hardware market!

In other news, I have finally managed to get in touch with the PetitionOnline.com administrators. The few abuse and sabotage attempts so far have been removed from the signatory listings. Not that any garbage would ever reach the recipient of our petition, but I understand some thought that it didn't look too good...
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AmigaOS + POP/PPC petition official web site : Comment 48 of 280ANN.lu
Posted by Tbone on 06-Jun-2002 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans
"I'm sorry but I think you are not fully informed about the facts."
That's debatable, but feel free to debate them ;)
"The speed with which POP is moving is due to only 1 thing at the moment: the AmigaOne and the cooperation between MAI, Eyetech and others who have a stake in POP development."
Eyetech/Amiga haven't promoted the technology of the POP platform at all, if you'd care to ask MAI, all the advancements in POP architecture (the chipsets) were developed indipendantly of Amiga/Eyetech, and wern't influenced by Amiga at all, both were already available/in development before Eyetech decided to use them. neither chipset ever even anticipated being used in an Amiga, by it's manufacturers.
"There was no serious, financially backed up interest by the Linux community for hardware which most there consider overpriced when compared to x86 Linux."
True, but there was more interest/market/funding than the Amiga market could muster, this is why Eyetech canned the original AmigaOne and decided to use the board that benefitted from the R/D from the (small as it was) linux/POP community.
"In fact, were it not for the AmigaOne project and Eyetech's sensible decision to work with MAI, all we would have today would be very expensive POP based evaluation boards from MAI which are intended to show off the capabilities of their Northbridge."
Which is a good thing? no? Much better than a proprietary board Eyetech never got to work.
"The POP project has been out there and dormant for years."
Much like the Amiga ;) Yet the dormant POP market has been moving faster, and producing chipsets, technology that we're using in the AmigaONE. the big thing is to ensure we can continue using this technology, as it develops, in the future. The licensing scheme puts the iniative in others hands, rather than the people we are buying the OS from.
"With the demise of Beos, the end of the Apple clone makers and the dominance (through economies of scale) of x86 Linux, there simply wasn't any OS around that warranted mass-production and further development of POP boards."
(Apple never ran on POP boards, Apple is a platform, even the clones)
Yet the POP technology still advanced, obviously, as Eyetech has chosen it after failing to compete with a proprietary model.
"No OS to run on it, no POP production."
Yet R/D is still happening (remember that's why we have the technology we're borrowing from POP) and new chipsets are still being developed, even the next Eyetech model is again based on R/D from the POP market you feel isn't relevant.
"Now there is in the form of OS 4 which is exactly why anybody else interested in entering the POP market will look at OS 4 first and foremost."
Well, so far there's only one company that looked at OS4 first, Eyetech, others looked, and decided the license model wasn't to their liking. The problem here is that the licensing model put's the iniative on the manufacturer, something that isn't good in a market you yourself decribe as "dormant."
In a perfect world, we'd be able to use OS4 on those boards who's manufacturers have passed us over. Not all these manufacturers have expierence in an Amiga market, and I'm afraid most are litterally afraid of it, after all there's this talk of a curse ;) when building hardware specifically for an Amiga.
If running OS4 on a motherboard didn't involve commitment from the manufacturer to tailor to Amiga's license, and instead just allowed it to run unmodified on it's existing product line, the bar would be lowered for other entries into the market we could benefit from.
#58 Ben Hermans/Hyperion #59 Menthos
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