|In reply to Comment 53 (marcik):|
'Poland had military pact with GB (and also with French), which said, that when Hitler invade Poland they we'll help Poland with all thier forces.'
And what forces do you mistaken believe the British had that could in any way help Poland? Do you somehow thing Britain had more than a tiny army, and a barly operational defensive airforce. Almost nil in offense bombing capacity.
Just so you know something, Britain was very late getting ready for re-armarmament at all. Radar just made it into service, and the chairman of Hawker, Mr Sopwith made a very brave choice, with no orders he invested a million in a production run of 150 Hawker Hurricanes. Those Hurricanes may well have made the difference at the start of the battle of Britain. Re-armament orders started in 1936 and only started arriving in service in 37, so
I do not know what magic you think Britain had to help Poland at this stage.
' And how does it ended? After 1 Spetember RAF were throwing flyeres saying that Hitler is evil, etc. on Germany, not bombs... British military forces that were in French didn't opened with them second front (Hitler expected that, and he wasn't mistaken).'
Look, I see you have a bee in your bonnet, consider this, the British Army did'nt even have Tanks to even consider attacking the German army. I do not know what you think the British were hiding in your statements. And yes, they knew full well they could olny try a defensive battle.
'And when Stalin invaded on 17 Sep, they also did nothing (only small diplomatic note IIRC). GB went to war for real when it was attacked, not to defend Poland. Don't forget about military equipment from GB and French, that was promised in early 1930's, and never came to Poland...'
Britain declared war against an enemy of superior size, and capability. This was done in support of Poland. Many many British and commonwealth and many others went to war on that premise my friend. Do not be so quick in your sharp tongue. Britain operated as a sactuary and a home of the free for several years, perhaps the only beacon of freedom fighting left against the Nazi's. I find your ignorance ill founded, if understandable. But understand this, Britain did what it could. It had not re-armed, the Germans had started since before the Spanish civil war. You should consider that Millions of people tried to defend Poland, just because they failed does'nt make them somehow evil.
> Britain is probably one of your true friends inside the EU.
'I'm not saying, that Britian is not a friend of Poland (but knows for sure - in 1939, and 1945-1989 Poland also had lots of friends...), but when someone, without any clue about Poland history, says something that stupid about my country I had to react.'
There are many sides of Poland that are extremely sad, the warsaw uprising as a very dark example. However, that does not excuse you turning on others. Many many fought for freedom, for Poland, for other reasons. Do not assume you can rubbish other countries because of the hard times Poland has suffered. I have sympathy with you, and understand why you may feel that way.
> Also, if you believe anyone could do anything about Stalin in 44/45 I think you are very sadly mistaken :(
'Yes - who would care about small country, that stopped bolshevik invasion on west in 1920... It was easier to give it to Stalin...'
It was not given. Churchill warned the Americans about Stalin's intentions. They got it wrong, but they were told by the Russians there would be free elections. Much of this discussion is nice, but even with the best will in the world, the west did not have enough to take on soviet tank armies and the red army.
'I'm not saying that west should attack Stalin army (it was realy powerfull).'
Look, sadly, you are also asking the west to turn on its ally, no matter how misguided that turned out to be. Britain sent no little amount to Russia to try and help them fend off the Nazi's.
'I'm only saying, that they didn't even try to take care about Poland, to gain peace with Stalin. But it's all history now. I hope that nowadays peoples can learn something from it, and they will not be saying bullshits about my country.'