|In reply to Comment 82 (marcik):|
'So why they gave guarantees to Poland? Polish troops expected, that second front on the west will be opened (it was part of military pact). Look at this from polish side. You were invaded, but you have guarantees from your allies.'
The world had been in an economic decline in the late 20s-early 30's, and quite frankly the alliances and pacts were real, being able to really act on them was not. In any alliance, there are still limits.
'So you fight with all your forces, and wait for reactions from you allies, which never came. I perefectly understood that it was in GB interest not to invade Germans in Sep 1939, but it wasn't in polish interest for sure.'
What forces? British Mobilisation had not even started, and even in defending france were were only able to move four and then 6 divisions. If you wish to talk of the pact between France and Poland, then:
On 4 September in Paris was signed the French-Polish interpretation agreement, being an addendum to the French-Polish alliance of 1921, and to the French-Polish military convention of 19 May 1939. According to this convention the French side was under the obligation to undertake, on the fifteenth day since the general mobilization a general offensive with the forces of at least 40 divisions to support Poland. Those divisions had to break the German defence between the Rhine and Moselle, it means within a 180km wide sector, and to seize Mainz. Moreover the agreement foresaw, that the immediate reaction of the powers to the German military actions would be retaliatory strikes of French-British air forces. On top of that Great Britain promised to deliver fifteen fighter planes and one hundred modern bombers to Poland.
And under that Britain failed to deliver 15 fighters, and 100 modern bombers. The fact that Britain had no modern bomber aircraft is I suppose besides the point. 90% of the Polish Airforce was destroyed on the first day, it is not logical to assume that the 2000 aircraft Poland started with would somehow have been turned into an effective force even with this. Now, in terms of France, they built themselves into a defensive force based around their Maginot line, for all the good it did them. Britain attacked German shipping and ran blockades, declared war against Germany. Britain was not ready for war with Germany.
> Britain declared war against an enemy of superior size, and capability.
> This was done in support of Poland.
'I couldn't agree, that support of Poland was main reason for it. GB declared war, because they know, that sooner or later they'll attack by German forces.'
No, Britain declared war because Germany invaded Poland. You should note carefully that Hitler tried on several occasions to offer Peace with Britain and WAS always refused.
> Many many British and commonwealth and many others went to war on that
> premise my friend. Do not be so quick in your sharp tongue.
'I was too agressive in my previous post - that's true. But'll never agree, that GB troops went to war to defend Poland.'
Sorry it on record that and I quote 'As to the war in the air, it started on 4 September 1939 with the British raid on German ships anchored in Wilhelmshaven and Brunsbuttel, after which RAF was mostly busy with dropping leaflets over Germany.'
The RAF really did not have any startling capability. Perhaps they could do more or less.
> You should consider that Millions of people tried to defend Poland, just
> because they failed does'nt make them somehow evil.
'Millions of peoples were fighting agains Nazi, not to defend Poland.'
War was declared against Germany for invading Poland. Thus , it was done in defense of Poland.
'They forgot about their old ally, becuase of new, very powerfull one. I know it's a political decision, but it was very sad to Poland...'
The allies thought Stalin would allow elections, and behave differently than he did. The cold war was a direct result and an indicator about how wrong the west was about him. It was not intentional, and it was not wanted, planned, desired, acceptable. Despite the advantage of nuclear weapons the west spent the entire cold war in fear of Russian Tank armies, and Rocket forces arrayed against them. Anyone who thinks the fall of eastern europe and the way it went as being deliberate is off their rocker.