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[Motd] RFC... Return to moderated, new categories?ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Mar-2002 14:03 GMT by Christian Kemp28 comments
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I suppose a return to moderated operation on ANN has long been overdue, so I'm considering that for the near future, hopefully with the support of the moderators. It has also become clear that a lot of people want to discuss industry news that might or might not relate to the Amiga - but there has been an equal amount of people complaining about such postings. Therefore, a "generic news" category might become necessary. Equally, quite a few voices have requested forums, while others have complained about the Unmoderated section being used as such. Therefore, a "forum" category seems logical. What do you think?
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Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 18-Mar-2002 13:20 GMT
A forum category would be great, IMHO.
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Posted by AndyC on 18-Mar-2002 13:24 GMT
Moderated or not, a username/ login system would be better.
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Posted by Graham on 18-Mar-2002 13:43 GMT
Maybe you could have an "Amiga" section (classic Amigas, AmigaOS4, AmigaOne, AROS?), a "MorphOS" section (Pegasos, MorphOS) and an "AInc" section (AmigaAnywhere, etc). Gets difficult when AmigaOS4 runs on Pegasos or MorphOS runs on the AmigaOne of course...
Then people would not have to read the stories that they don't want to read.
A forum would be good as well.
Graham
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Posted by Bennymee on 18-Mar-2002 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (AndyC):
>Moderated or not, a username/ login system would be better.
Yes - username and login - like the Amiga forums on amiga-news.de
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Posted by Ben on 18-Mar-2002 13:56 GMT
Forum should definately have user/pass.
Maybe also have ability to rate/rank users or posts. Hopefully that would help show the posts that are from "reliable" sources.
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 18-Mar-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben):
> Maybe also have ability to rate/rank users or posts.
> Hopefully that would help show the posts that are from "reliable" sources.
The functionality to rate news items used to exist, but was used so little (perhaps ten ratings per posting on average) and in a wrong way (people would rate bad news low and good news high rather than have it reflect the quality of the posting) that it made no sense to keep it up.
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2002 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Ben):
> Forum should definately have user/pass.
Agreed! I'll be more than happy to be able to avoid the tedious, uninformative rantings that plague ANN. You've gut my thumbs up for stricter moderating and a forum (which one can avoid stepping into), Christian!
BTW, WB. Hope you had a nice time off!
/Lennart
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Posted by Lennart Fridén on 18-Mar-2002 14:32 GMT
Another tip: how about banning Shawn the bus arch troll so we get rid of that moron? PRETTY PLEEEEEEASE?
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Posted by Frank on 18-Mar-2002 14:36 GMT
Username/password will kill ANN (or at least reduce the traffic by quite a lot).
It's a BIG mistake. Most people that I know of would not post if there was a username/password system. Well..
I guess that you need more moderators to handle the existing news.
A generic computer news category probably would not be a bad idea so that all the non-amiga junk goes there :)
Frank
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Posted by Budda on 18-Mar-2002 14:54 GMT
How about making need for username/password only when people wish to comment on a news article? or better still link in the forum thread to the news article.
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Posted by Budda on 18-Mar-2002 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
Or how about you just stick a link/advert telling people to go and discuss the news over at www.amigaforums.org ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2002 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Graham):
I agree with Graham, but:
>Maybe you could have an "Amiga" section (classic Amigas, AmigaOS4, AmigaOne, >AROS?), a "MorphOS" section (Pegasos, MorphOS) and an "AInc" section
>(AmigaAnywhere, etc). Gets difficult when AmigaOS4 runs on Pegasos or MorphOS
>runs on the AmigaOne of course...
I think there should be 2 sections. 1 for AmigaOS and related things (AROS, MorphOS, OS4). And one for DE and Java related things like Amiga Inc, Microsoft, mobile phones, etc...).
I have become increasingly frustrated that Amiga news is becoming buried and clogged up by people who confuse AmigaOS technology with Amiga-branded technology. Although this new Amiga-branded technology is all very nice, I feel indifferent towards it, and I think many others feel similarly as the amount of groups who have dropped support for Amiga Inc have shown.
hen people would not have to read the stories that they don't want to read.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 18-Mar-2002 16:12 GMT
I had hard times preventing the unmoderated section to become a messqge board. Even if sometimes the posts were interesting.
So yes if a message board page can avoid this it is ok.
User accounts is a tough decision.
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Posted by The_Editor on 18-Mar-2002 16:32 GMT
Well ... I guess I'd better agree with you Christian as it was probably my "This is NOT news" posting that prompted you to suggest it.
Go for the Log in though as Ann seems to attract a lot of people who wish to vent their spleen on others comments here on your site.
Paul ...Peterborough ..Uk
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Posted by AmiTroll on 18-Mar-2002 16:44 GMT
Do it Christian. While i come here for Amiga related news
some industry news i still find interesting and a
"Not Quite Amiga News" section sounds like a good idea to
me. Great in fact. Forums sound like a lot of work for you
just so some nutters can have more places to post thier
nutter comments, but then it could also work for the better
as well and keep things in a category so to speak. I'll
definatly surf em if you make em.
Hey, im a troll and i'm makeing sense here.. uh oh.
DONT DO IT MAN! YOU WILL KILL THE SITE!!!! :)
GRUNT
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Posted by smithy on 18-Mar-2002 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Anonymous):
I agree, let's have 2 unmoderated sections instead of one. There are already clearly two groups of people - those who are interested in the OS, and those who are interested in the Amiga-branded technologies such as DE.
It is obviously irking both groups to see their discussions being interrupted by the other.
It won't harm ANN at all, because the 2 new sections could be set to display by default (like all the sections are at the moment). It just means that the OS fans won't have DE/Java fans interrupting their discussions and the DE/Java fans won't have the OS fans interrupting their discussions.
What a cool idea, anon :)
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Posted by NihilVor on 18-Mar-2002 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Graham):
I would prefer an unmoderated section over a forum (if there had to be a choice); unmoderated news/rumors can be interesting, while forums just incourage banter.
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Posted by Paolo "Mod3m" D'Urso on 18-Mar-2002 18:24 GMT
I'd like to keep ANN like is it, without forums but with the moderated version as default (like it was in the past).
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Posted by Dr. Righteous on 18-Mar-2002 19:05 GMT
Logins in order to post would be best. You're not gonna lose the traffic of those who want to read, and you'll weed out those who only wish to troll by establishing accountability for posts.
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Posted by smithy on 18-Mar-2002 20:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Dr. Righteous):
What's stopping Mr Troll creating an account with a Hotmail address and trolling away. When he gets deleted, what's to stop him creating another account with another hotmail address and re-trolling again?
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Posted by Wayne Hunt on 18-Mar-2002 21:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (smithy):
> What's stopping Mr Troll creating an account with a Hotmail address and
> trolling away. When he gets deleted, what's to stop him creating another
> account with another hotmail address and re-trolling again?
Nothing, but it seems to work with Amiga.org.
Wayne
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Posted by darklite on 18-Mar-2002 22:20 GMT
It'd be great to have 'general tech news' filter.
Though I'd like to see some more moderation, fixing the badly layed out posts and making the 'moderated view' actually useable.
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Posted by George Wyche on 19-Mar-2002 00:32 GMT
ANN has been around a while. I do not run around to see *all* the Amiga news sites in ANN's class, so I have no idea how splintered things are.
I subscribe to /. with $, but when AmigaOnePoint5 is actually going (sure is ramping up, huh?) I would prefer to switch to something like ANN that would be Amiga slanted instead of Linux slanted. If ANN had a fancy scheme like /. for users to tailor the news desires and automatic forums for each news item, I would be satisfied.
Should I go consider one of the other Amiga sites?
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Posted by Ed Dana on 19-Mar-2002 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
Actually, Christian, you might take a look at one of the other places I like to hang out: "www.fiero.nl". It's a sight devoted to Fiero fans, and breaks into several discussions, starting with "Technical Stuff", "General Fiero chat" and even has a "Totaly Off Topic" section.
You could have a news section, a general chat section, a technical section, industry news, etc etc etc...
I think it is a format that would do ANN some good.
Just some thoughts...
Ed.
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Posted by Ed Dana on 19-Mar-2002 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christian Kemp):
Actually, Christian, you might take a look at one of the other places I like to hang out: "www.fiero.nl". It's a sight devoted to Fiero fans, and breaks into several discussions, starting with "Technical Stuff", "General Fiero chat" and even has a "Totaly Off Topic" section.
You could have a news section, a general chat section, a technical section, industry news, etc etc etc...
I think it is a format that would do ANN some good.
Just some thoughts...
Ed.
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Posted by Rodney McDonell on 19-Mar-2002 06:34 GMT
you guys need forums :)
Thats why people post so much that isnt news... wasnt that the point of the umoderates part?
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Posted by Christian Kemp on 19-Mar-2002 08:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Rodney McDonell):
> wasnt that the point of the umoderates part?
The idea, at first, was a publically accessible waiting queue so that visitors could *optionally* see news items that I had not approved yet.
As my interests shifted, a lot of valuable news items just remained in Unmoderated because there was nobody to move them over to the main page, and the majority of ANN's visitors went to the Unmoderated page after the main page anyway.
So after one or two testing periods when I was away on holiday, I decided to display Unmoderated postings on the main page by default.
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 19-Mar-2002 21:56 GMT
User/password would most probably deter a lot of useful and
informative posts.
I think moderation is what's needed, but of course that requires
moderators. I'm not too worried about the large and sometimes not that
great discussions in the comments, sometimes they are interesting and
sometimes they are not. As long as the news posts themselves are good,
I think it's alright.
But adding a forum certainly wouldn't hurt.
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