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Posted on 31-Mar-2002 11:38 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselš103 comments
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Posted by catohagen on 31-Mar-2002 10:00 GMT
really great stuff, it sounds almost too good to be true, os4.0 will kick serious
butt...os4.0 will work on cvppc/bppc so i can happily keep my old blizzppc system running..
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Posted by Don Cox on 31-Mar-2002 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (catohagen):
What is impressive is the confidence and promptness with which Ben
answers all the questions.
There was none of that "Eh, I'm not sure, I'm not really technical,
you know". Ben seems to have a very good grasp of the whole project
and the Amiga in general.
(I still think PPC is the wrong CPU.)
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Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 31-Mar-2002 10:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Don Cox):
But isn't it true what he said, that it's impossible for them to support all chipsets and stuff of all the I don't know how many PC motherboards around. When OS4 is done, it should probably be a lot easier to port it to other CPUs/platforms.
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 10:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
>But isn't it true what he said, that it's impossible for them to support all >chipsets and stuff of all the I don't know how many PC motherboards around.
Why not run on Amithlon, with linux providing all those drivers temporarily?
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Posted by tinman on 31-Mar-2002 10:57 GMT
Any chance of someone who already has the file putting up a mirror?
The transfer has dropped to 200bytes/s now :(
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Posted by Troels E on 31-Mar-2002 10:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
"temporarily" ???
They can't support all the diffrent chipsets with their own kernel, agreed?
So IF we should have an AmigaOS on X86 it would be something along the lines of what gateway had in mind.
AMI/linux, using the linux kernel with our own stuff on top of it (much like Amithlon). I think I prefer an PPC kernel made with Amiga in mind....
Troels E
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Posted by Anonymous on 31-Mar-2002 11:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (tinman):
Sure, head over to polarboing :)
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Posted by catohagen on 31-Mar-2002 11:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (tinman):
http://www.hesbynett.no/hagen/Amiga-Expo-2002-hyperion.mp3
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Troels E):
>"temporarily" ???
>
>They can't support all the diffrent chipsets with their own kernel, agreed?
Yes, I didn't say anything else.
>So IF we should have an AmigaOS on X86 it would be something along the lines of >what gateway had in mind.
>
>AMI/linux, using the linux kernel with our own stuff on top of it (much like >Amithlon).
That's what I said!
>I think I prefer an PPC kernel made with Amiga in mind....
Yes, and other prefer (or have to) use x86.
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Posted by Jeff on 31-Mar-2002 12:08 GMT
I now have another temporary mirror here:
http://members.rogers.com/vjeffery9262/Amiga-Expo-2002-hyperion.mp3
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Posted by Ken Heslip on 31-Mar-2002 13:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
I think it's a wise decision to build upon a a base platform and spread their wings later.
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Posted by cOrpse on 31-Mar-2002 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
As long as amithlon stays an emulator ( the 68k os executed by the emu on the x86 etc .. ) it isn`t going to be as good as an amiga OS naitively written for that platform . OS 5 is aiming for hardware independence nehow , so sooner or later amiga will run on just about anything :), by then i`m hoping PPC would have stomped out x86 neways.
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Posted by Hagge on 31-Mar-2002 14:44 GMT
Has anyone this mp3 in higher quality? 16kbps sucks quite much
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Posted by Daniel Allsopp on 31-Mar-2002 14:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
Does anyone just feel like cutting darklite's f**king head off,
sticking it in a bag, and shoving it in the back f**king yard!!
I'm totally sick of the morons attitude.
Darklite, do the world a favour and rot from the feet up and die eh?
Take your opinions someplace else!!
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Troels E):
>They can't support all the diffrent chipsets with their own kernel, agreed?
Is the same not true of AmigaOne with your standard PCI and AGP slots? Where are you going to get drivers from?
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (cOrpse):
>OS 5 is aiming for hardware independence nehow , so sooner or later amiga will
>run on just about anything :),
How can an operating system be hardware-independant? This is not stated anywhere on Amiga Inc's website. Anyway, even if it was - it would mean that OS5 would have to be hosted - that means you'd require Windows or Linux to run it on.
>by then i`m hoping PPC would have stomped out x86 neways.
How is that going to happen? Is a sudden wealth of quality applications going to appear for OS4 overnight that make it usable in the real world so that people might buy it?
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Posted by cOrpse on 31-Mar-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Daniel Allsopp):
don`t have a go at darklite , the others like him will overdose their prozac reversing its affects and will completly twist ur words to make u look like some sorta bad guy .
I like the way hyperion basically took the piss out of halfbright lol.
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Posted by kjetil on 31-Mar-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
Well darklite it's not so easy, in order to do an i686 version (666 version),
you most make a completely new emulator for emulation PPC not 68k like Amithlon do.
The best way to do this will be to convert an
PPC Mac emulator for linux to an PPC Amiga emulator.
hint MacOnLin (Only works on Linux PPC to bad).
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Daniel Allsopp):
>Does anyone just feel like cutting darklite's f**king head off,
>sticking it in a bag, and shoving it in the back f**king yard!!
What's it called when you can't tolerate other people's opinions... going to the point of threatening them when they express their opinions?
Oh, yes, it's fascism.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (smithy):
You misunderstand Smithy.
We are talking about mobo chipsets such as North and Southbridges.
There is no such thing as a "standard" PC mobo, there are hundreds of different variations of mobo chipsets which create all kinds of compatibility problems.
Which is one of the reasons that even Amithlon which runs on Linux won't run on quite a number of PC mobo's simply because Linux doesn't support them properly.
And that's Linux. If we would want to use Exec SG for x86, we would need to duplicate the efforts of the Linux community to support these chipsets. In many instances mobo producers themselves will take care of the support because Linux is popular as a low-end server these days.
There is zero chance that there would be equal support for Exec SG which would basically leaves us with two options:
1) Ditch Exec SG in favor of a Linux kernel which is something Amiga doesn't want for reasons relating to OS 5.
2) Limit the scope of supported x86 hardware significantly to a very limited subset of x86 hardware.
Enter Brecht who will now tell me that this is all FUD.
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, Ok, fair enough about the variations in motherboards, I can see that would complicate matters, but even for the AmigaOne, drivers are still required...
>1) Ditch Exec SG in favor of a Linux kernel which is something Amiga doesn't
>want for reasons relating to OS 5.
Interesting you should mention OS5, I have been fishing for information on this for a while now ;) What is OS5? Is it going to be a natural update of OS4 or, is it going to require another OS to host it as some people have suggested, or will it simply be a Linux clone that runs DE?
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Ben, Ok, fair enough about the variations in motherboards... although I am sure that most graphics card companies supply just 1 driver for all PC hardware. At least that's the case with my gfx card.
But anyway, even for the AmigaOne, drivers are still required for a whole host of hardware...
>1) Ditch Exec SG in favor of a Linux kernel which is something Amiga doesn't
>want for reasons relating to OS 5.
Interesting you should mention OS5, I have been fishing for information on this for a while now, without much luck ;) What is OS5? Is it going to be a natural update of OS4 or, is it going to require another OS to host it as some people have suggested, or will it simply be a Linux clone that runs DE?
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Posted by Smithy on 31-Mar-2002 15:36 GMT
Apologies for the double post.
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Posted by SlimJim on 31-Mar-2002 16:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (smithy):
Well, if you read Ben's comment it appears it is indeed a connection between OS4
and OS5 don't you think? This idea that Ainc should be planning to
just throw out all of Hyperions hard work when going OS5 sounds rather bizarre
to me.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (cOrpse):
>As long as amithlon stays an emulator ( the 68k os executed by the emu on the x86
>etc .. ) it isn`t going to be as good as an amiga OS naitively written for that
You are clueless. Amithlon can run x86 code, like OS4 will be able to run PPC code, some day.
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 16:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (cOrpse):
>I like the way hyperion basically took the piss out of halfbright lol.
Well, if they can't read my questions right, including the *second half of the sentence*...
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Which is one of the reasons that even Amithlon which runs on Linux won't run on
>quite a number of PC mobo's simply because Linux doesn't support them properly.
Linux does support a large percentage of the desktop motherboards... you have to admit that. If you could cover as much motherboards with a new OS, it would be certainly sufficient to get a good userbase.
Besides, even Windows doesn't support all motherboards, at least not without a good number of BSODs.
>And that's Linux. If we would want to use Exec SG for x86, we would need to >duplicate the efforts of the Linux community to support these chipsets. In many >instances mobo producers themselves will take care of the support because Linux >is popular as a low-end server these days.
And how will this be different in the future?
>There is zero chance that there would be equal support for Exec SG which would >basically leaves us with two options:
>1) Ditch Exec SG in favor of a Linux kernel which is something Amiga doesn't
>want for reasons relating to OS 5.
You don't have to ditch exec. The linux kernel doesn't replace exec. It just provides the drivers for all your motherboards.
But then you already knew that, and are just making up silly arguments again.
>2) Limit the scope of supported x86 hardware significantly to a very limited
>subset of x86 hardware.
Option 3) Use the linux kernel to handle compatibility with all those motherboards, run ExecSG on top of it, handling all other hardware.
Amithlon does this *today* for OS3.9. Don't tell me it's not possible.
>Enter Brecht who will now tell me that this is all FUD.
It's clear you don't want to support x86, not because you can't, but because of principle. I wouldn't have talked about x86 if Don didn't mention it...
We can't convince you, so we might as well shut up and place our bets on AROS and Amithlon. But I'll be the first one to laugh when OS4 becomes a huge commercial failure.
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Posted by SlimJim on 31-Mar-2002 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (darklite):
What did you ask?
.
SlimJim
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Posted by darklite on 31-Mar-2002 16:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (SlimJim):
>What did you ask?
1) What's the status of ExecSG?
I figured it might be nice to know for people who want to buy OS4. But of course Ben has to start about x86, and give no real info on the status.
2) Why is there no OS4 section on the Hyperion site?
and NOT "Why is there no OS4?"
3) Will ARexx be included, as it's not clear who owns the patents/trademarks to it?
This was already answered before.
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Posted by SlimJim on 31-Mar-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (darklite):
> But I'll be the first one to laugh when OS4 becomes a huge commercial failure.
The sad thing is that you probably would.
.
SlimJim
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Posted by SlimJim on 31-Mar-2002 16:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (darklite):
Ok, at least he (eventually) answered all your questions!
Where they reading questions from the ICQ screen?
.
SlimJim
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Posted by Argo on 31-Mar-2002 17:09 GMT
Thanks to all you put up mirrors so that others can hear it.
If you have the ability to mirror, do it please. As always there is lots of demand for Amiga news in the community.
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Posted by tinman on 31-Mar-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (SlimJim):
if you listen to the mp3 it sounds like the guy running the interview
(Bill?) was miles away from the questions, so another guy shouted them
across the room. Bill then asked Ben over the phone.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 31-Mar-2002 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (tinman):
Excuse me? People were there, asking questions.
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Posted by tinman on 31-Mar-2002 17:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Yeah, but not for the questions sent by ICQ :)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2002 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (darklite):
Listen Brecht, can you read?
Amiga DOES NOT WANT a Linux kernel under Amiga OS 4/5.
This for reasons I cannot go into here but which basically boil down to the fact that it doesn't provide them with all the functionality they need.
Their call, not mine or yours.
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Posted by Vidar on 31-Mar-2002 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I think the second option is a very good route...
Let's say you support all SiS Athlon chipsets. Or AMD's Hammer chipsets.. A big task, but not impossible, even with limited resources.
But I guess we won't see any AmigaOS version running native on x86 before OS5..
Vidar
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Posted by Rik Sweeney on 31-Mar-2002 17:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (darklite):
You seem to know quite a lot about programming and computers in general. I take it you must have several qualifications, MSCE, JCP, SCWCD, Oracle?
Just wondering.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2002 18:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Vidar):
If it's any consolation, we are making sure to avoid endian conflicts in Exec SG and at the very least to note the places where endian conflicts might arise.



I guess this doesn't square with our image of x86 haters now does it.



That's ofcourse only the tip of the iceberg when porting AmigaOS to run natively on a little endian architecture because you can bet your ass that most developers of Amiga OS 3.0-3.9 did not take this care.



Which is why we won't do it because of the lack of resources and frankly, we don't see a point with Amithlon and AmigaXL around.
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Posted by Kjetil on 31-Mar-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>Amiga DOES NOT WANT a Linux kernel under Amiga OS 4/5.
>This for reasons I cannot go into here but which basically
>boil down to the fact that it doesn't provide them with all
>the functionality they need.
I find it strange you can accept UAE for 68k hitting programs,
when you come up with that argument.
the AmigaOS needs can be provided for like WM-Ware or MacOnLinux Fusion can,
and otter emulators. This emulators are not so stable or can not provide correct timing.
how ever to say that UAE is accepted and on the otter hand an otter emulator for linux is not?
there are no logic.
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Posted by Crumb on 31-Mar-2002 18:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (darklite):
>Why not run on Amithlon, with linux providing all those drivers temporarily?
"temporarily"? I think you mean forever. Anyway most of people is tired of you, why don't you go away and leave us? We are tired of your Amithlon this and Amithlon that in AmigaOS4 threads. You will have x86 compatibility with OS5, and if Amithlon is so wonderful what's the problem with you?<br> <br>ANN should work with registered users only. Go to the amithlon mailing lists, but if I read a thread about AmigaOS4, I spect to find information about that, not your fucking Amithlon-x86 propaganda. I wouldn't have any problem with you if you didn't invade non-amithlon threads, but you are making this site worser. <br> Everyone knows you would like to have OS4 for x86, but Hyperion only has a licence to develope it for x86, using a linux kernel forever is not an elegant solution, you can't support every pc motherboard. In contrast you will only have a few ppc chipsets to support. <br> Amithlon has been out for months... where is the revolution you announced? I have an original Amithlon... where are that tons of native x86 programs? The alien ELF format simply sucks, the way programs are loaded is pesky. <br> in contrast there are lots of ppc programs/games and small utilities. where are the native x86 ones? I have not seen much of them. A buggy AHI driver... Oh yes... I have a SB128 and the sound is a shit (and it is cutted), It crashes a lot, mi old A4000T sounds a lot better, I guess the reason is that there's a little shit called linux under my emulator and that gives me so many problems with drivers. I have a tekram ultrascsi controller... not supported by the linux kernel, using your method I should recompile the kernel or something similar, using a ppc amiga I only have to put the driver in devs: yours is a pathetic idea. It's almost ok for an emulator but it's not serious. The installation in hd was painful, there are lots of people who don't have a clue about how to do it. It is/will be much easier on an amiga / amigaone. Mmmm oh yes... I also have a voodoo3-3000, a nice card but it seems that your fucking linux kernel forces me to use two graphic cards to be able to use my voodoo3 with picasso96. I will repeat it: the linux drivers may be okay for an emulator, but they shouldn't be used in a serious OS. I don't like the linux kernel, it only gives me problems and makes the emulator harder to install on hd. It also makes really difficult to add drivers. Amithlon is only an emulator. It is a great emulator. But it's not an OS, and it will never be an OS. If the core of the OS(exec) runs emulated it will always be an emulator, so don't compare it to MorphOS, which is a real OS, with native kernel, and most of its components are native, as the OS4 will be also. Go away to Amithlon threads/forums/mailing lists...<br>Forget the linux drivers idea... and if you don't change your opinion I don't care much, but please do not send propaganda to AmigaOS4 forums, reserve it for your amithlon mailing lists. If somebody has a problem with Amithlon you will be able to throw up your propaganda over him aying how wonderful amithlon is, of course you won't help him and you will not be doing anything constructive but you will be in your right place. You are tiring us with your bashing about AmigaOS 4.<br><br>Go away.
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Posted by Kent Seaton on 31-Mar-2002 18:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (smithy):
> Interesting you should mention OS5, I have been fishing for information on
> this for a while now, without much luck ;) What is OS5? Is it going to be a
> natural update of OS4 or, is it going to require another OS to host it as
> some people have suggested, or will it simply be a Linux clone that runs DE?
Since Hyperion aren't on the slate for building OS5 they would probably not be the best people to ask detailed information of. What is OS5, a common question I keep hearing from Amiga users and global media alike. OS5 is both a continuation and a "rebuild" of the AmigaOS pushing for platform independance. In my opinion, OS5 will probably be PPC at first x86 shortly following; however a release of both at the same time would be good. With OS4.x somewhere around .5 or so we will start to see the AmigaDE integrated into the OS in a sandbox design. OS5 will also have a sandbox but for programs written for OS4.x with the AmigaDE seemlessly integrated with the OS. Will it require a host OS... who knows, that information isn't publicly available yet. The same information on OS5 can be found publicly available on Amiga.com. Ultimately, OS5 is what I'm after, with the ACM and RMI plus a full integration of the DE.
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Posted by Troels E on 31-Mar-2002 18:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Crumb):
Go Crumb!
Didn't know Amithlon was THAT bad...
I have heard a lot of people where dissapointed or having problems with configuration or installation.
But I also heard many state that it works flawlessly at a blistering speed. Oops...Maybe that was just Darklite shouting out his propaganda in a wrong thread, again...
;-)
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Kjetil):
>I find it strange you can accept UAE for 68k hitting programs,

>when you come up with that argument.



I think you are mistaken. We are putting forward UAE for games and applications that insist of banging the Amiga chipsets and take over the system like say Turricane.



We will not compromise the design of Exec SG to allow for full backwards compatibility.



>the AmigaOS needs can be provided for like WM-Ware or MacOnLinux Fusion can,

>and otter emulators. This emulators are not so stable or can not provide correct >timing.



What's your point?



>how ever to say that UAE is accepted and on the otter hand an otter emulator for >linux is not? there are no logic.



UAE is "not accepted", it is the only way to run certain games and apps. This has no bearing on the issue of using a Linux kernel with Exec SG more or less as a wrapper on top of that.



A
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 31-Mar-2002 19:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kent Seaton):
>Since Hyperion aren't on the slate for building OS5



You don't honestly believe that Hyperion is unaware of any important software development going on at Amiga?



?
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Posted by Crumb on 31-Mar-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Troels E):
yes, it's faster than a real Amiga, but i wouldn't say that it works flawlessly :-D
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Posted by Kent Seaton on 31-Mar-2002 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Never said that Ben... You guys are obviously on the ball but working primarily on OS4 right now... i.e. trying to draw the fire away from hyperion so that work can continue... 8^)
Cheers!
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Posted by smithy on 31-Mar-2002 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Kent Seaton):
>OS5 will also have a sandbox but for programs written for OS4.x
Ahh, yes.. it will have a sandbox to run OS4 programs. What does this imply? To me it implies that OS5 will be completely incompatible with OS4 (therefore completely different), so different in fact, it needs a sandbox to run OS4 programs. That tells me that OS5 doesn't have an AmigaOS kernal.
Is OS4 just a stopgap? If so, then what would be the point of it? It is irresponsible to expect people to invest in OS4 PLUS new hardware if the whole game is going to change...
>Ultimately, OS5 is what I'm after, with the ACM and RMI plus a full
>integration of the DE.
If you're interested in those technologies then you can already use them, they are on the market already. Why do you need to wait for the same thing with an "Amiga" branding?
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Posted by Derf on 31-Mar-2002 20:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (smithy):
>>OS5 will also have a sandbox but for programs written for OS4.x
>Ahh, yes.. it will have a sandbox to run OS4 programs. What does this imply? >To me it implies that OS5 will be completely incompatible with OS4 (therefore >completely different), so different in fact, it needs a sandbox to run OS4 >programs. That tells me that OS5 doesn't have an AmigaOS kernal.
it means that there is an area for nasty old programs that like to access mem directly, where they cant get in the way of AOS 5 and 'its' programs (written in safe C or equiv i believe). It will run programs that ran in AOS 4+, as well as one designed specifically for AOS 5. this is no secret.
>Is OS4 just a stopgap? If so, then what would be the point of it? It is >irresponsible to expect people to invest in OS4 PLUS new hardware if the whole >game is going to change...
its a stop gap in the same way as windows 98 was for windows 2000. its the next version of the OS, thats all.
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Posted by KenH on 31-Mar-2002 21:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (darklite):
>Option 3) Use the linux kernel to handle compatibility with all those motherboards, run ExecSG on top of it, handling all other hardware.
Amithlon does this *today* for OS3.9. Don't tell me it's not possible
That sounds like Amithlon running OS 4 no? Bill Mc has said that this will happen but it will be just lagging abit behind the PPC OS version.
@ Smithy:
Isn't every OS just a stopgap for the next version?
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