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Posted on 11-Apr-2002 00:22 GMT by AFLE.ORG54 comments
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AFLE.ORG wrote: The reporters of the AmigaPower review met the AMIGAONE. Exclusive: new photographs of AmigaOne! French version go to http://membres.lycos.fr/afle/amigaone.html, automated English translation. It is by a week end at agitated time that the team of AmigaPower had appointment with AmigaOne. Alan, Gina and Elsa Redhouse have us thus nicely accueuilli with Quillan (Aude)FRANCE, within a superb framework with the sun......
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 1 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 10-Apr-2002 22:37 GMT
http://membres.lycos.fr/afle/Images/amigaone/000014.html ... May I be the first to say the casework looks a lot cleaner vs. the pics on Naya.fr?
Now if only there was a good way to fill that dead zone in the top front... I suppose you could suction-cup an LCD display there without it looking too ugly. (Anyone want to get to work on that as a USB kit, with an IR remote transceiver integrated? :))
I want one!
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Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 02:28 GMT
Joe,
since you like the mac clone so much why not buy an orginal with a more powerful cpu. Then also have a better case. Plus you have a better company to back you up. You do realize that once you get this, the graphics capability will be less then that of the mac.
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Posted by Frederik Yssing on 11-Apr-2002 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Ohhh hush !!!!
Amiga is AMIGA.... Mac is MAC....
Remember also this.. beauty lies in the eye of the beholder......
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Posted by priest on 11-Apr-2002 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Haha!
>since you like the mac clone so much why not buy an orginal
Try buying A1.5 & run MacOS on it, LOL!
What expandable Mac you can buy for $1100-$1600...?
>Then also have a better case.
For A1.5 you can have any case.
>You do realize that once you get this, the graphics capability will be less then that of the mac.
Please explain.
IIRC, radeon8500 outperforms iMac2 3D gfx GF2MX and even most of the latest PowerMacs with GF4MX. Then think about multi-monitor solutions. Matrox cards still are the best for 2D.
btw. Is MatroxG400 available for PCI slot?
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Posted by FreeService on 11-Apr-2002 05:07 GMT
Is MatroxG400 available for PCI slot?
Yes, here is more info: http://www.matrox.com/mga/products/mill_g450/pci.cfm
:)
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 11-Apr-2002 05:09 GMT
The link is broken.
Why aren't all the pics directly on the Apower website ?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 7 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Libz on 11-Apr-2002 05:21 GMT
Anyone has a mirror of those pics? Seems their server is overloaded.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 8 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (priest):
Don't forget the coming of the AtriciaP chipset with support for AGP 4X. Heck by the time the A1 MoBo is at full consumer release the P chips could be out for production run by then.
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Posted by Seehund on 11-Apr-2002 06:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Libz):
Huh? If there ever were any problems they've been fixed.
Just in case, I mirrored the pics here: http://amiga.medicinareberget.studenthem.gu.se:8080/amigaone
There was nothing interesting on the pics though. All manufacturer's/designer's markings on the board were covered up with stickers.
Also, is it such a great idea to run a computer in a completely unshielded case like that?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 10 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 11-Apr-2002 06:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Libz):
also a mirror here:
http://www.hesbynett.no/hagen/amigaone
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 11 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 11-Apr-2002 06:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (catohagen):
and with html that hasn't that popup window
http://www.hesbynett.no/hagen/amiga1.html
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Posted by Leki on 11-Apr-2002 07:30 GMT
nice :)
i want my AmigaOne dev board now!.....anyone know how long till we get them?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 13 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by spark on 11-Apr-2002 08:09 GMT
Well, nice pics, but I wonder why they have 3 (!) fans in there ?
And why do they use a PCI gfx card?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 14 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 11-Apr-2002 08:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Seehund):
It is not unshielded case. It's made out of special plexi glass that does not let EM radiation through. I think it was explained at the manufacturer web site.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 15 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Steven L. Croucher on 11-Apr-2002 08:55 GMT
That website is so slow, that the pictures never appeared and timed out.
The ANN effect!
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 16 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 11-Apr-2002 09:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (FreeService):
Great! So, I'll be able to drive 10 monitors on a single A1.5. 8)
If I end up buying radeon 8500 for the AGP slot (because it's 3D performance), should it be all-in-wonder model (slower in 3D but great video editing capabilities) or would some ((cheaper?)) PCI card be good enough for (hobbyist) video capturing & editing needs?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 17 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by twiceaday on 11-Apr-2002 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (spark):
one is for the power supply. Then one to suck the fresh air in and the other to push the warm air out.
As somebody said already, it would be nice to put a blue neon light inside the case!
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 18 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 09:20 GMT
http://www.jackypc.com/index2.php3?rub=articles&num=156
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 19 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 11-Apr-2002 09:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Leki):
Nice to se there area some bug tester her on the net.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 20 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 11-Apr-2002 09:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (twiceaday):
"As somebody said already, it would be nice to put a blue neon light
inside the
case!"
Or tropical fish, or gerbils.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 21 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Varthall on 11-Apr-2002 09:52 GMT
Nice pictures but... what is that glass of wine doing inside the case!?!?
(picture 09.jpg, just above the drives bay) Will it be sold together with the
mobo? :)
Varthall
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 22 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by J on 11-Apr-2002 09:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Don Cox):
If you use Gerbils, you could put them on asome sort of wheel and use it to power the board.
Anyone know where i can get ATX Gerbils from? :)
I do like the idea of using it as a 'Fish Tank' though.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 23 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 11-Apr-2002 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (J):
Bought a Sony Microsystem a while back and the speakers are back lit in a gentle indigo glow ( as are all the control ). It looks wild.
Id like a black ATX case with indigo backlit controls, black keyboard and black mouse ( both backlit ).
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 24 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by spark on 11-Apr-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (twiceaday):
re: 3 Fans
yes, I can figure out what they're doing in there,
but why is it necessary to have more than the 1 fan
in the PSU? One of the advantages of PPC is that
it doesn't consume as much power as X86 (heat!)
and that means that it should be a lot less noisy
with a heatsink only (which is great!)
spark
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Posted by twiceaday on 11-Apr-2002 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (spark):
i guess naya designed this case for intel processors to run linux on. What i wander though is, how can the claim that is a very quiet case if there are so many fans. Not only that, but the fans are not only on the backside of the case, there is one that actually is mounted on the front wall facing the user.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 26 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by twiceaday on 11-Apr-2002 10:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (twiceaday):
maybe if you put a pc mother board in with a 2GHz pentium 4 you can use it also as a fancy hair dryer
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 27 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 11-Apr-2002 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Varthall):
That was my glass of wine before I got drunk and took silly photos :)
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Posted by tinman on 11-Apr-2002 10:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (J):
Surely it would need to be tropical fish due to all that excess heat? :)
As for three fans - perhaps they are quiet ones? They do exist, they just cost more than your usual hack'n'slash 5GBP cheapo McNasties that most people use in their PC's (or PSUs).
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Posted by Graham on 11-Apr-2002 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (tinman):
The fans are quite large, so logically they probably run at low RPM and thus aren't that noisy.
CPU fans are noisy because they run at 5000+ RPM in a small 6cm fan.
And you can always disconnect them! I doubt that they are needed. They should have been clear fans though.
I like the idea of putting gerbils in the case, however what if one of them gets its tail into a fan?
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Posted by Ben Yoris on 11-Apr-2002 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (tinman):
They are very quiet. Naya insisted on having a very quiet tower.
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Posted by John Block on 11-Apr-2002 11:37 GMT
Feel like Bender the Robot looking at those motherboard pictures :)
The twisted wires look like they will put strain on the solder joint.
The positioning of the slots looks good.
The case is a dust trap being acrylic and all those big holes holes.
I'm not sure about the static potential.
The running of linux is a plus, as shown there's netscape and through lindows or wine we can finally get to play with those free CDROMS we keep seeing.
Also should anything happen to Amiga, we will still have access to a continually developed OS and software.
The sculptural wood and fabric night light was very attractive.
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Posted by Leki on 11-Apr-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (J):
all the radiation would give the fish 3 eyes like that fish on simpsons :)
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Posted by Ruben on 11-Apr-2002 12:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (John Block):
>The running of linux is a plus, as shown there's netscape and through lindows >or wine we can finally get to play with those free CDROMS we keep seeing.
lindows or wine don't run on PowerPC systems (at least not yet).
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Posted by Kronos on 11-Apr-2002 12:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (John Block):
Wine is x86-only !
AFAIK that also counts for Lindows.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 35 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi on 11-Apr-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Anonymous):
Amiga and MAC have always used same CPU. Both were first 680x0 based, but Amiga was never MAC clone. Now both do have PPC and PCI+AGP which are standard technology. AmigaOne is not MAC-clone, it's PPC based computer with industrystandard components.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 36 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by justin on 11-Apr-2002 12:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (J):
hmm... The gerbils are a bit dangerous with the fans...
On the other hand, you could use them to make the fans turn.
Or you could add watercooling with a glass tank, and put the fish in there...
;-)
Justin
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Posted by CD32Freak on 11-Apr-2002 13:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Yoris):
>That was my glass of wine before I got drunk and took silly photos :)
I want to thank you for taking those (silly) pictures, Ben. Try to shoot from the right angle next time..lol :)
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 38 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz on 11-Apr-2002 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (CD32Freak):
hmm, I think he took right <A HREF "http://membres.lycos.fr/afle/Images/amigaone/01.jpg">angle</A> ;)
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 39 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by CD32Freak on 11-Apr-2002 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz):
LOL! That's a good one :D
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 40 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by CD32Freak on 11-Apr-2002 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz):
By the way, how the hell did you find that mysterious picture when you can't see the directory listing? :)
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 41 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 11-Apr-2002 16:10 GMT
Now that's funny...This amigaone is not the latest revision since it staill holds that 686A soutbridge of via. This southbridge offers UDMA66.
I guess the final boards will use the 686B since it's pin compatible and offers UDMA100 like spec-ed.
One a sidenote: The 686B has this bug in the UDMA100 controller causing data, transferred between a device on channel 0 and a device on channel 1 and both in UDMA mode to get corrupted when a PCI soundcard like a SB Live! is present.
Via offered a software patch to fix that.....Let's hope that the (scsi.)device in AmigaOS4 includes this fix too.....
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 42 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 11-Apr-2002 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Amifan):
The "686B bug" is a little more complex. It's a strange, intermittent interaction between Via's PCI implementation and the controller.
Have a look at this block diagram of an older (KT133A) Athlon chipset using the 686B, noting where the PCI bus "hangs:" http://www.via.com.tw/en/apollo/KT133A.jsp
It's my understanding that the 686B is little more than one large, integrated PCI device. The real problem has been in the north bridges, whose rough equivalent of the Buster chip in an A4000 can't make the PCI bus work properly. Funnily enough, some A4000s had a fairly similar problem: http://www.jeacle.ie/publications/articles/4008/
When not coupled with a buggy northbridge, the 686B should work fine- look at all the boards using AMD chipsets, but 686Bs for IDE, with no reported complaints.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 43 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz on 11-Apr-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (CD32Freak):
I didnt. someone posted that on amiga.pl, dunno how he found that...
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 44 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Sebastian Jedruszkiewicz):
Now, that's an interesting case.
Looks like an AmigaOne housed in that could dominate the market.
Totally.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 45 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Rose Humphrey on 11-Apr-2002 18:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ben Yoris):
Talking of silly, here's a *real* translation. Copyright B. Yoris and R. Humphrey.
(Re)discovering the AmigaOne.
It was on a wet and windy weekend that the AmigaPower team came face to face with the AmigaOne. Alan, Gina et Elsa Redhouse had kindly invited us to visit them in Quillan (near Perpignan, in the South of France), a delightful little town nestling amid magnificent scenery that required just a little more sunshine to make it perfect.
This was our chance to talk about the AmigaOne G3-SE, the computer which should, if all goes well, represent the culmination of a very long series of events indeed. To recapitulate: nearly 2 years ago, Eyetech had orders for PPC Amiga accelerator cards totalling over 200 000 Euros. DCE was either having difficulty delivering, or were themselves short of components (we all know how easy it is to get DCE cards), so Eyetech decided to produce their own card in partnership with Escena: the G3-powered Predator SE for A1200, which included AGP and PCI buses, and used SDRAM memory. As work progressed, it became clear that it would be simpler to go the whole hog and produce a motherboard which would, to begin with, connect to an Amiga 1200 in order to gain access to the native AGA chipset. So the AmigaOne was announced, and was to be made by Escena.
But two years on, Escena still hasn't delivered: neither the AmigaOne, nor anything else for the Amiga market.
Eyetech's Amiga sales are now suffering. Irritated by the delays, Alan Redhouse nevertheless manages to find an interesting solution: an American company called MAI is offering PPC motherboards equipped with the chipset Articia S chipset, which enables interfacing of a PowerPC chip for AGP, PCI, USB, sound, ethernet and everything else a modern computer user requires. What we saw last Sunday was a pre-production board based on the TeronCX with ArticiaS and a PPC G3 CX clocked at 500 Mhz . It was equipped with SDRAM memory and a PCI ATI Rage graphics card.
It should be noted that the production version will ship with a CXe at 600 MHz, and will include an ethernet chipset and an AMR card that will provide connectors for speakers, a gameport, and a modem.
The set-up was running TurboLinux, a version of Linux PPC specially compiled for the TeronCX. This flavour of Linux boots very fast and seemed to have no major deficiencies on first sight, apart from the slowness of moving windows around. This was due to X11 and the fact that the OS doesn't activate the G3's second level cache.
The design of the card is very clean, with no excessive heating of the various key components (VIA chipset, Articia S and G3), unlike x86 boards. We were also able to install the carte in a Naya Design 'Cristo' tower and took a few photos so show what the new Amiga looks like in a tower worthy of the name.
There is no doubt that, with the AmigaOne G3-SE, Eyetech is on the right track as far as hardware is concerned. Even if the specifications are already somewhat out-of-date compared to the eternal spiral of the PC world, it still gives the various alternative computing communities (Amiga, Be, Linux, Atari, etc.) an excellent price/quality ratio. A motherboard with built-in ethernet, sound, son, USB and modem costs 600 Euros (ex. VAT), which is extremely competitive when compared with Apple's pricing.
One problem still remains: the software. Apart from TurboLinux, there is nothing to install on this AmigaOne. The first buyers (who will receive their boards at the end of April) have therefore been warned: to begin they will only be able to run 68k Amiga applications, and only using UAE for Linux. This situation will continue until AmigaOS 4, which Hyperion Entertainment have been working on since last November, is released. For the moment, the final release date is unknown.
The hardware future of the AmigaOne is assured. A more expensive version should appear before the end of the year, with a socketed, instead of soldered, CPU, allowing installation of one or two G4 processors. The new ArticiaP should give access to AGP x4 instead of the current x2 .
A few questions still remain, for example the efficiency of the firmware (the low-level OS which initialises all the peripherals connected to the machine), and the overall performance under AmigaOS 4. The AmigaOne G3-SE is practically assured of an honourable career, though there is still the threat posed by the reportedly imminent release of the unofficial, but fiercely persistent Pegasos, made by bPlan and running under MorphOS.
In the meantime, we wish Alan the best of luck and hope he enjoys his stay in the South of France.
Ben Yoris
AmigaPower
(translated from the original French by Rose Humphrey)
Link to the photos:
http://membres.lycos.fr/afle/Images/amigaone/index.html
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 46 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris on 11-Apr-2002 19:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Rose Humphrey):
Thanks so much my little flower from Scotland !
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 47 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Rose Humphrey on 11-Apr-2002 19:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Ben Yoris):
Bugger, I left a couple of typos in. Oh well.
What wouldn't I do for you, my one and only One?
;)
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 48 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 12-Apr-2002 06:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
For market domination I suggest a case mod with whips, chains, leather, latex and lots of rivets.
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 49 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gürkan on 12-Apr-2002 11:05 GMT
Hi,
Did Alan give any information about SUSE and Debian PPC Linux support ?
AMIGAONE report photographs : Comment 50 of 54ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 12-Apr-2002 11:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Sinan Gürkan):
Can't the Developers who are buying these boards work out how to
install other varieties of Linux for themselves? ;-)
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