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Posted on 12-Apr-2002 10:53 GMT by Christian Kemp70 comments
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Andrea wrote: As many of us already understood, the G3 based "supercomputer" to which CoyoteFlux referred in their interview was a bPlan Pegasos. They've got some more infos at THENDIC-France.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 08:58 GMT
Somehow Rakesh & Sharwin look a bit naked without their boingball hat and spiked tux :-(
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Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Apr-2002 09:13 GMT
Actually the "Supercomputer" is a minituarized Pegasos board to be used in handhelds.
From Amiga-News.de:
"Dear People,
As promised there would be some details announced considering
the "Supercomputer" system that we have said we are working on. In this case
there has to be said that the system that has been referred to is the Pegasos
from bplan. Our company Thendic-France has retained bplan to miniaturize the
Pegasos to make a handheld "Supercomputer".
Rakesh & Sharwin"
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Posted by catohagen on 12-Apr-2002 09:27 GMT
will the dual g4 cpu slot fit in the pegasos handheld ?
maybe abit overkill but...
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Posted by Budda on 12-Apr-2002 09:52 GMT
Wonder what sort of speed can be expected to run from a hand held super computer? IIRC the Pegasos CPU doesn't even require a fan?
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Posted by victor # on 12-Apr-2002 10:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Budda):
"Pegasos CPU"? There is no such a thing. :) Perhaps you mean the G3 of IBM, which is the same as of the A1G3-SE, anyway.
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Posted by victor # on 12-Apr-2002 10:05 GMT
I don't think bPlan has the technology or resources to turn the Pegasos mo-bo into a handheld. They use off-the-shelf, relatively power-hungry chips that are not fit into a handheld. Perhaps a notebook.
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Posted by the man in the shadows on 12-Apr-2002 10:09 GMT
This is probably a stupid connection, but I wonder if this "supercomputer" handheld pegasos could be the same as the hurricane... Nah... couldn't be.
http://www.merlancia.com/MISEL/hurricane.html
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Posted by Hagge on 12-Apr-2002 10:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (the man in the shadows):
What else would merlancia but into their boxes?
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Posted by AdmV on 12-Apr-2002 10:24 GMT
This is only an observation:
I met these two guys once, and sure enough they are bright, and no doubt they have shown the odd example of clever code.
However, die-shrinking G3/4/Other processors into a supercomputer handheld has never been something claimed by even clever hardware people.
There are many questions that remain. What is the exact relationship between these parties, and does bPlan know of it?
I think I'll await information from bPlan as to dealers, and products, not third parties that appear one day, with a home made website claiming to be the second coming of handheld supercomputing.
Why I have to put up with all these people running round trying to claim this kind of lunacy is beyond me.
AdmV
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Posted by Andrea on 12-Apr-2002 10:40 GMT
Browsing a bit more on the net I found another couple of interesting infos. Thendic-France seems to be owned by Pretory USA Inc., who *might* be run by ex-Viscorp guys (Bill Bucks anyone?).
On the other hand I found the evidence that the submitter of a post of a couple of days ago was actually Petro.lha. Infact if you look at the links page at Thendic site, you'll find Power Trading GmbH, which is the company Petro started after leaving Amiga. His name is listed on the company web-site, under the `contacts' link. So it's no surprise he now posts in favour of bPlan...
Back to the main topic, it's quite good to see that those mobos are supported by a company that works in the video field, too. Maybe Firewire devices support, cameras via USB, and the likes are not so much of a dream anymore?
Kind regards,
Andrea
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Posted by ground zero on 12-Apr-2002 11:16 GMT
I'm really sceptic about this news. I do not know rakesh nor bill buck personally, but this news sounds like the typical "boxer is coming soon" hyping we see alot in the amiga industry. I'm sure these people have a vision and dream what they want to accomplish but getting the finance, finding the recources and means and most of all the determination to pull something as big as this project to the finish line, just sounds too unbelievable to me.
I mean companies such as AI, Hyperion, Eyetech etc. are having a really hard time coping with their projects (which sound technically less demanding than getting a powerhungry g4 and its mobo to fit into someones pocket) How could a 2 man development team accomplish something like this in less than a thousand years?
Especially when considering that none of the bigboys (sony, motorola, ibm etc.) haven't been able/willing to do something like this. I'm sure they would also like to see g4 processing power on a handheld. Heck anyone would be interested in that.
Anyway projects in amiga world usually get scrapped before they are even halfway thru and It's just a very big plan to do something like this, so pls forgive me if I'm being sceptical. I do wish all the best for a project like this and it would be great to see an amiga'ish handheld out there. Maybe there is a typing error or something and they meant a pegasos laptop rather than a handheld.
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Posted by priest on 12-Apr-2002 11:27 GMT
http://www.thendic.de/english/Smartboy.htm
"A modified, consumer-oriented version of the terminal will be released in march 2002 under the reactivated label of Amiga DE."
Yet another vaporware company, untill proven otherwise.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2002 11:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (ground zero):
A 2 man development team?
1) Pegasos is made by bPlan... And you already saw it working...
2) Take a look at the products Thendic makes... Metal, drug, explosive
and several other detectors, surveilance systems, etc...
They are NOT the typical small Amiga company.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2002 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (ground zero):
A 2 man development team?
1) Pegasos is made by bPlan... And you already saw it working...
2) Take a look at the products Thendic makes... Metal, drug, explosive
and several other detectors, surveilance systems, etc...
They are NOT the typical small Amiga company.
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (priest):
Why don't you check out their industrial products?
Do they look vapor to you?
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2002 11:53 GMT
OOOOPS! Christian...
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Posted by 4pLaY on 12-Apr-2002 11:56 GMT
Hehe if you look closely you can spot the C128D case under the monitor on this pic :) http://www.thendic-france.com/Tech/US/Products/Pegasos/Supercomputer.jpg.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Apr-2002 12:31 GMT
Is it an Amiga keyboard I see on the desk ?
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Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Apr-2002 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (priest):
Not really if I look at the Thendic and Pertory homepages.
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Posted by 4pLaY on 12-Apr-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Christophe Decanini):
Sure looks to be an A4000 key and a C128 key.
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Posted by The Amiga Evangelist on 12-Apr-2002 14:30 GMT
Will this run AmigaOS4 in the future???
(I am looking at getting a AmigaOneG3-SE motherboard/system and am wondering if this might be a good alternative.)
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 12-Apr-2002 14:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (The Amiga Evangelist):
AOS4 on bPlan hardware requires one of two things to happen. Either bPlan sends Hyperion the board they ordered, or by some miracle Hyperion lucks out maximally and ends up with code that actually works on hardware they have never seen. I know which method _I_ would like.
(It's cold here, I think I could use a good flame just about now ;)
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Posted by Budda on 12-Apr-2002 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (victor #):
Okay smart arse, you knew what I meant!
The CPU used on the Pegasus board. I don't care who manufactures it etc..
..and yes it is the same as the AmigaOne board. And your point is?
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Posted by leif on 12-Apr-2002 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Well, Im sure hyperion will eventually get hold of
a PEGASOS.. probably ehrn we all can get hold of a pegagos..
If someone cant wait for this, well, then its just about
getting the AmigaOne.. pretty simple huh :)
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Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Apr-2002 15:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>AOS4 on bPlan hardware requires one of two things to happen
You forgot that it requires a version of OS4 to port to new hardware. Why not
wait for the first version of OS4 in May for the AmigaOne and then complete the
port to Pegasos?
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 15:48 GMT
It doesn't mean they have to use powerhungry G4 CPUs (the MPC7410 doesn't consume that
much power anyway), there are many choices among the PPC family such as the MPC8xxx.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 12-Apr-2002 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (David Scheibler):
Sure. But we know they don't have an AmigaOne either. So if bPlan wanted, they could actually have AOS4 support _before_ the AmigaOne is officially supported. Probably. This could all be a figment of my imagination.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 12-Apr-2002 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
Careful when naming the 8xxx, sure 82xx contains a few useful chips that draw little power, but the 85xx is the G5. Talk like that could make people believe there is a G5 PDA coming ;)
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Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Apr-2002 16:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>But we know they don't have an AmigaOne either.
I didn't know that. So how could Redhouse then announce that OS4 will be
available in May, when they just receive their boards in April?
>So if bPlan wanted, they could actually have AOS4 support _before_ the
>AmigaOne is officially supported
I doubt that. Hyperion and Eyetech have an agreement so that Hyperion gets
money from every sold AmigaOne. They don't have such a agreement with bplan, so
it's normal that they support AmigaOne boards first.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 12-Apr-2002 16:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (David Scheibler):
AOS4 is being developed on CyberstormPPC boards. And Alan only said "probably" May. The thing is, Eyetech is setting up a list for those who buy developer boards, to help people with linux and serve as a center for OS4 betatesting on A1G3-SE boards. So there will be very tight integration there. I have never heard of any deal involving money, though. When did I miss that? (not sarcastic, I really want to know)
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Posted by victor # on 12-Apr-2002 17:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Budda):
Easy, pal! I just meant the wording "Pegasos CPU" is just not the best. I.e. that CPU is not Pegasos-exclusive.
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Posted by David Scheibler on 12-Apr-2002 17:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>And Alan only said "probably" May
And again it was a completely unrealistic date then. Too bad for those who
perordered. I think after the p5-preorder desaster it's wise to never ever
preorder anything until it's out with the promised features.
>I have never heard of any deal involving money, though. When did I miss that?
I think it was in one of those thousands of threads here. I think Mr. Hermans
can clarify the situation.
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 12-Apr-2002 18:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
Too bad the S/N ratio here sucks rats... Searching through all that to find a tiny bit of info... ;)
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Yes, why no http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_322_23,00.html ?
G5 SoC sounds supercomputerish to me (600-1000MHz :-).
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Posted by JGen on 12-Apr-2002 18:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
*sigh*
Wasn't the pegasos due in a "few weeks"? How long is it now? You can't
use that shite excuse to slate the AmigaOne.
Get your facts straight, no-one pre-ordered anything. They ORDERED a
board which will be provided with Linux it was quite clear, they paid
their money and the goods are being made/dispatched right now it's not
like P5 (bplan v1.0) who took money for something that wasn't even
near production stages. The people who ORDERED thier boards will be
given a discount on both the board and OS4 in acknowledgement that
there will be a linux only period.
I dispair at the twats around here. Linux is begining to sound good.
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Posted by ground zero on 12-Apr-2002 19:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>A 2 man development team?
I must admit that I don't know exactly who are behind thendic france, but my observations were based on visiting their website and reading sharwin &
rakesh's announcement with the line "...our company..." That gave me the impression there were mainly 2 ppl working on the main design process.
>1) Pegasos is made by bPlan... And you already saw it working...
I never have questioned the bplan pegasos mobo... Not here, nor anywhere else.
My doubts were concerning about getting a pegasos mobo redesigned and squeezed inside a casing that's the size of a calculator.
>2) Take a look at the products Thendic makes... Metal, drug, explosive
>and several other detectors, surveilance systems, etc...
>They are NOT the typical small Amiga company.
I agree that their list of products is highly impressive, however I cannot bring myself to compare cashboy and surveillance camera systems with high-tech handheld computer designing. I cannot even compare pegasos mobo with this because even the pegasos is a very impressive piece of work, it still ain't technically as demanding as doing the same thing in 5 times smaller size and using very little power. If thendic can pull it off it would mean it's the most powerful handheld system out there at the moment. Meaning they would technically beat pocketpc, sharp etc. in their own game. these are companies that have been committed to the handheld business for years and have the means and abilities to research, design, and produce their technology.
This is why I'm sceptic. It doesen't mean I wouldn't find thendic's product line impressive, nor does it mean I could say "they cannot pull this off" because I don't know. But it's understandable that I have certain reservations with news of this magnitude.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (JGen):
>it's not like P5 (bplan v1.0) who took money for something that wasn't even
>near production stages.
Bplan didn't take any money, stupid!
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 19:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (ground zero):
>My doubts were concerning about getting a pegasos mobo redesigned and squeezed
>inside a casing that's the size of a calculator
My bet would be a Apple Newton or eBook size computer.
In fact that would be quite cool and many Apple followers are sad there is no
Newton anymore - it was simply ahead of its time.
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Posted by JGen on 12-Apr-2002 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
I said P5 as in Phase 5 prickboy, they did take lots of money.
Who is stupid now?
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Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 12-Apr-2002 20:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (ground zero):
Well, I'm a bit sceptic too...
About bPlan 1.0...
1) bPlan is not phase5. The founder/manager of Phase5 isn't there.
A phase5 employee started bPlan (Knäbel) and called his former colleagues
in.
2) Phase5 is more than out.. The money of the preorders are lost with the
Phase5 stocks. It wasn't any evil Phase5 person (Wolf...) that took the money
for himself...
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 20:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (JGen):
Who is stupid now?
The dumbass who says P5bplan V1.0...
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Posted by JGen on 12-Apr-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
So Bplan isn't a reformation of P5?
HELLO?
The stupid ones are the idiot who doesn't understand
english conventions (brackets) then posts in an english speaking forum
and the twat who can't see the blantently obvious connection between
two companies in the same market with 90% of the same staff (That's
assuming they aren't the same anonymous fool)
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Posted by JGen on 12-Apr-2002 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
It's well known that Wolf did not fare well after P5 collapsed (and is
definately not enjoying the sun on a desert island somewhere)
However to deny that there is absolutely no connection between P5 and
bplan is rediculous. bplan is resurrection of P5 same people (almost)
same market. I'm not saying that bplan is going to go the same way
(lets face it, that would be way too easy around here), but I was
reminding David of the past before he starts the blatent
Eyetech/Hyperion bashing that is becoming so predictable now.
He may think that the sun shines out of bplan's collective arse, but
some of us are weary of EVERYONE in Amigaland nowdays.
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Posted by Keith Blakemore-Noble on 12-Apr-2002 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (JGen):
"So Bplan isn't a reformation of P5?"
Correct. Glad to see you are getting the hang of it!
Oh, and yes, the Pegasos boards were announced as "shipping soon", with week 20 being the week specified for first shipment, which was also confirmed by bPlan.
So that's <5 weeks until shipment of Pegasos.
Apparantly.
Of course, AmigaOS4 is supposed to be released by then too (May for AOS4 being the latest date, after they completely failed to meet the Feb date which nobody believed anyway), which shoudl make things interesting.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Apr-2002 23:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Keith Blakemore-Noble):
>with week 20 being the week specified for first shipment, which was also confirmed by bPlan.
Ok, but why does this Thendic Pegasos site say June 1st?
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Posted by leif on 12-Apr-2002 23:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
because June 1 is 20 weeks into the year ?
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Posted by Anonymous on 13-Apr-2002 01:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (leif):
No, it's 22 weeks into the year.
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Posted by ehaines on 13-Apr-2002 04:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (David Scheibler):
>Too bad for those who perordered.
Why? It's not like the Phase5 situation, where some people sent them
money in hopes of getting a product someday, before that product even
existed. In this case, I still have my money, and it won't be gone until
Eyetech actually ship the actual product out the door.
No, OS4 isn't done yet, but at least the hardware is, and at least
you can do something with it, rather than staring sadly at your
depleted bank balance with nothing at all to show for it.
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Posted by Keith blakemore-Noble on 13-Apr-2002 07:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
"Ok, but why does this Thendic Pegasos site say June 1st?"
I dunno, I didn't write their site nor did I make the bPlan announcement. Let's see. Possible reasons?
Thendic are not the only distributor and may get theirs later?
Thendic want to hold on to the Pegasos boards for 2 weks to gently caress and stroke them?
Thendic want to allow a couple of weeks from receiving their first boards to shipping complete systems because they need time to build them?
There's been another slippage at bPlan, delaying by two more weeks? (God, I hope it's not an Amiga Inc - style 2 more weeks!!!!)
Thendic are allowing for last minute slips?
The "week 20" from bPlan isfor shipment of the first boards, not for complete systems?
The postal service is particularly slow in Thendic's area and stuff regularly takes an extra week or two to arrive at their place?
The EU has decreed that the last two weeks of May have been removed for inclusion in August to give us a longer summer, so the two dates are actually now the same?
It's all a conspiracy?
bPlan have delayed by a couple of weeks in a sporting gesture to launch at the same time as Eyetech?
bPlan lied?
Thendic lied?
We are scheduled for an invasion by Martians during the last two weeks of May, so there's little point in shipping product until we know who wins (so the correct language can be used for the instruction manual)?
Something else?
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Posted by AmiTroll on 13-Apr-2002 07:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
>2) Phase5 is more than out.. The money of the preorders are lost with the Phase5 stocks. It wasn't any evil Phase5 person (Wolf...) that took the money for himself...
Oh my god you are misinformed about the business world in general. I'm going to make this short and sweet so forgive me if i skip over the details. When a company goes under there is a TON of cash shifting around and it ALWAYS winds up in the accounts of the CEO's or the vice presidents. Dont be so foolish to think that even Commodore were running on promises before they went down. Everything that can be dumped is dumped and the funds are given to the "employees" in the forms of bonuses or other excuses. They take what they can from a dieing company and its usually on the order of millions. It's called greed and they arent honest about it :P
GRUNT
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