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[News] IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributorANN.lu
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IOSPIRIT is pleased to unveil that a distribution agreement with Stefan Burström and the IBrowse Team has been signed and we are now the worldwide distributor for IBrowse (support for IBrowse is still done by the IBrowse development team, though).

Furthermore, we are pleased to announce the immediate release of the eagerly awaited update to IBrowse 2.2. IBrowse 2.3 brings web browsing on AmigaOS to a new level - below is a brief summary of the changes since version 2.2:

- Heavily enhanced JavaScript support, based on JavaScript 1.5 and revision 3 of the ECMAScript specification, allowing access to sites which was not possible before

- Secure connection support is now available via AmiSSL v2, which can be configured extensively in the IBrowse preferences. Importing and exporting of certificates is now also supported.

- Greatly improved general stability and memory leaks plugged

- Improved GUI, including enhanced browser tab functionality (such as drag´n´drop, keyboard support)

- Issues with the ARexx interface have been fixed and new commands added

- Hundreds of other minor and major bug fixes + improvements, and more workarounds added to improve compatibility with broken sites

All these improvements greatly improve the browsing experience, and allow IBrowse to offer compatibility with many more websites than before.

For further information, news and product support, please visit http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/ and our IBrowse-subpages.

IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 1 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 29-Jan-2003 11:01 GMT
This is excellent news! I hope to see a review soon!

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Sam
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 2 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Felix Schwarz on 29-Jan-2003 11:08 GMT
You can download a demo version from our website.

For webmasters: Please don't link them directly!
Link to http://www.iospirit.de/index.php?mode=download if you want to put a link.

Best regards,

Felix Schwarz
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 3 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2003 11:57 GMT
Is a IB 2.2 -> 2.3 update available ? IIRC this was meant to be free and I have my IB2.2 disk in my hand as we speak :)
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 29-Jan-2003 11:59 GMT
Oh my god! It finally happened !! HOORAY! My favourite browser gets its bugs fixed!

I'll have to wait until tomorrow to try it though. While i am excited and keen to try it, I'm not sure its worth cancelling an evening with my girlfriend for :)

Thanks a lot Stefan!
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 5 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 29-Jan-2003 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
There is a free download on iospirit.de for registered users.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2003 12:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Just check IOSPIRIT website they have the full version and the update either as download version or as packaged version.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 7 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 29-Jan-2003 12:05 GMT
Errare humanum est
Only the download version is available so far.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 8 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Jan-Erik Karlsson on 29-Jan-2003 12:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
well I'm browsing with 2.3 now (upgraded from 2.2, you download the demo and away you go)

the only problem was the installer script which bawked at the end.

a must is to download AmiSSL 2.2 too.

so I'm off to see how it behaves :-) ;-)
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 9 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by José on 29-Jan-2003 12:54 GMT
Whohoo:) Can't wait for 3.0 though...
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 10 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Damien McKenna on 29-Jan-2003 13:21 GMT
What is the status on full CSS1 (and partial CSS2) support? IBrowse is just another toy browser without this mandatory (per W3C standards) seven year old technology.

Damien
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 11 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 29-Jan-2003 13:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Damien McKenna):
LOL at that guy
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 12 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by nOw2 on 29-Jan-2003 14:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Damien McKenna):
"Technology".

Hurhurhur
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 13 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 29-Jan-2003 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Damien McKenna):
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!
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Posted by PMC on 29-Jan-2003 14:23 GMT
Great news! At last IBrowse gets it's first update in nearly three years.

I hope they've made good on the promise of greater stability. IB2.2 fell over with depressing reguality on my system.
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Posted by ikez on 29-Jan-2003 14:41 GMT
Same :)) Great news !!!!


ikez
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Posted by Piru on 29-Jan-2003 14:55 GMT
Ok, posting this with IB 2.3.

Works great, but if you're using AmiTCP and have troubles getting AmiSSL to work, uncheck "Preferences/Settings.../Security/Use MiamiSSL" checkmark.
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Posted by Eva on 29-Jan-2003 14:56 GMT
:°°)
At last!!! Thx thx thx to Ibrowse team and IoSpirit!
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 18 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Piru on 29-Jan-2003 15:00 GMT
Ok. Found some easter eggs in IB 2.3:

Try these URLs:

about:girls
about:amiga
about:beer
about:padrino
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 19 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Hill on 29-Jan-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Piru):
They were in IB2.2 also!
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Posted by pVC on 29-Jan-2003 15:15 GMT
Yeaah! :) I downloaded the demo and couple of minutes later placed my order :) Now just waiting for registered version.. :) IB1.22 can retire now ;)
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Posted by Damien McKenna on 29-Jan-2003 15:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ryu):
CSS has been an official W3C standard since 1996. In 1997 it was made a core part of the HTML 4.0 Transitional specification and a mandatory part of the HTML 4.0 Strict specification. In 2000 CSS was made a mandatory part of both the XHTML 1.0 Transitional spec and the XHTML 1.0 Strict spec (font tags were not allowed anymore). It is now 2003, three years after the launch of XHTML 1.0, six years after the launch of HTML 4.0, and seven years after the launch of CSS Level 1.

I left the Amiga community in 1997 and at the time the lack of CSS was becoming a problem, I'm just amazed that it still is.

Damien
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 22 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Rimmer on 29-Jan-2003 15:26 GMT
Great news!! My all time favorite browser is back on track!
I really want to thank Stefan, David and the rest of the IB team for their hard work!

Bye bye memory hogging, bloated, unsecure and general crap IE..
and welcome sleak, lean, mean internet machine: IBrowse!!!
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 23 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Rimmer on 29-Jan-2003 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Damien McKenna):
So if you left it 97 why are you still here bitching!?
Go use your bloated IE crap and leave us, who prefer a really sleak browser alone.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 24 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Damien McKenna on 29-Jan-2003 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Rimmer):
> Go use your bloated IE crap

I don't use IE, I use Mozilla.

> and leave us, who prefer a really sleak browser alone.

There's more to web browsing than speed - supporting Internet standards helps too.

Damien
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 25 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2003 15:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Rimmer):
" So if you left it 97 why are you still here bitching!? "

Is that official Amiga Inc policy then? If one stopped using an Amiga then one may never EVER use one again?

Or is that just YOUR policy to help you avoid having to answer difficult questions (such as whether or not your favourite browser supports long-established standards yet)?
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 26 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by DaveMcK on 29-Jan-2003 15:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Damien McKenna):
CSS support is an absolute must - I use Phoenix (which runs straight out of the folder, no install needed) on W2K and XP and it is excellent.

Damien is totally correct when he complains about the lack of CSS support, it's extremely handy. No wonder some of the 'standard' HTML tags are already deprecated.

We need CSS.

(I couldn't care less about Javascript tho... :)

Dave.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 27 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2003 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (DaveMcK):
You need Javascript for those sites which have JS links instead of normal ones.
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Posted by Sam Smith on 29-Jan-2003 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Damien McKenna):
What does CSS actually give me? I have IBrowse and IE. To be honest - I don't see a huge amount of difference between the 2 other than lack of Java and VB script in IB.

Mozilla is hardly free of the bloat problem either.

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Sam
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 29 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 29-Jan-2003 16:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
>You need Javascript for those sites which have JS links instead of normal ones.

And the 200,000 popups that the internet is now littered with :(
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Posted by Darren Eveland on 29-Jan-2003 16:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (DaveMcK):
CSS is planned for version 3.0. From what I have read on the IBrowse mailing list it would not have been practical to write CSS Support into the 2.x code base as this would require a major re-write.

In the current market we are lucky to get IBrowse 2.3 as it is. I would prefer to wait for CSS support and not have it even further delayed release of 2.3 - since we were pushing nearly 3 years since 2.2.

2.3 is a welcome update and huge improvement over 2.2, just looking at the bug fixes alone... I can't wait to get home and try it!

Darren
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 31 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by José on 29-Jan-2003 16:50 GMT
Does anyone know when is 3.0 expected?
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 32 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2003 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Sam Smith):
Cascading Style Sheets give uh, style. You probably visit mostly sites [like ANN.lu] that still abuse tables to give most of their layout and only style the icing, like using a nice typeface here and there or changing borders/ margins for some boxes.

Increasingly there are sites [like Caoine.org] using CSS to control all of their appearance. So in any of the existing Amiga browsers it looks like the authors didn't make any effort to have the site look nice, but in say Safari or Mozilla it looks gorgeous. Some of them follow the ALA recommendation and use style to hide a message which appears only on non-CSS browsers and says "This site would look better if you upgraded"

At the leading edge people are using CSS to handle navigation menus, leaving non-CSS browsers to move through the site manually step-by-step.

Ultimately lack of CSS doesn't make Amiga browsers unusable, just unpleasant.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 33 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jan-2003 17:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Damien McKenna):
Mozilla is also bloated..even its 'minimal spinoffs' , Phoenix
and Chimera are also bloated.


as for standards....well, if most of the page designers out there followed the
standards...instead of using broken code, IE fudges etc etc then the
world would be a better place.

I hate CSS. its a backwards grab at trying to get WYSIWYG onto the Web via
a nice HTML backdoor...I hate going to sites that force me to read green text
on red backgrounds etc

alan
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 34 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jan-2003 17:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
I prefer content over style
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 35 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 29-Jan-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (alan buxey):
"I hate going to sites that force me to read green text on red backgrounds etc "

Then turn it off. Or are Amiga browsers too feeble to do that either? I'm using Mozilla and it has no trouble rendering all my sites as black on off-white, preserving the original layout and forcing all text within my preferred readability range (12px to 30px). Half the point of CSS is to distinguish between declarative structure (this is a heading) which should be handled by HTML and display style (this is 48px Times bold red) which is done in CSS.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 36 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Thematic on 29-Jan-2003 18:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Praise CSS - it makes for cleaner HTML when used correctly. So it is a good thing for all users, I just don't need its effects, therefore the browsers that I use do not need it either.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 37 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 29-Jan-2003 18:30 GMT
Anyone using Mozilla that actually thinks it's
better than Amiga web browsers better think again. ;)

Mozilla is one of the slowest most irritating web browsers
ever invented. It may support some "standards" but for
general speed/gui/usability it is one of the worst (in my opinion).
I prefer using Aweb or IBrowse and any improvements made to
the Amiga browsers is just one more step towards removing the
need for Mozilla or IE completely. :)

(I don't know why people that "left" the platform years ago are
still populating Amiga related forums and complaining about new
products they haven't even used before anyway, but...)

The Amiga browsers really are a joy to use after
suffering through the complicated and irriating
internet experience other browsers/platforms offer.
It doesn't take much to realize this...

If you are the type that enjoys reading countless ads,
pop-ups, scripts, shockwave flash and other annoyances
then you may have need of bigger,slower browsers but
I find it hard to believe that someone can not see the
immeasurable value in having a fast streamlined internet
browser at the same time. IBrowse and AWeb are both targeted
at being "light", fast and very functional at the same time
and they achieve this very well. Even browsers that are
supposed to be streamlined on other platforms (Opera) are
dog slow compared to Aweb/IBrowse/Voyager. Speed may not be
everything but speed coupled with great usability is a
sure-fire forumula. The Amiga browsers are gaining much
of the functionality of the "big" web browsers but at least
these "features" can be disabled easily when they are not
required.

Mozilla is sure to appear on the Amiga platform eventually
if you really need if for something? (there are some valid reasons)
(there is a new port in progress right now, but I will personally
continue to use Amiga browsers even after it's released because
I prefer them)

Well, off to try the new IBrowse. :)
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 38 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 29-Jan-2003 18:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (alan buxey):
If IB supported all the standards that Phoenix and Chimera supported, it would be 'bloated' too.

Besides, Phoenix is far from finished - the authors hope to trim the code down a lot further.

" I hate CSS. its a backwards grab at trying to get WYSIWYG onto the Web via
a nice HTML backdoor...I hate going to sites that force me to read green text
on red backgrounds etc "

You're confusing yourself here. One of the plus points of CSS is that the style of the *entire site* can be changed instantly (even by the client visiting the site if given the choice). You've probably seen loads of sites that let you change the entire look by clicking on a radio button ar drop-down menu. Very handy.

Also, your browser should have the final say in the rendering of the page (as in the mono example someone gave above).

Regards,
Dave.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 39 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 29-Jan-2003 18:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Kelly Samel):
Sorry, but as much as I love the Amiga, I find this bizarre:

" Mozilla is one of the slowest most irritating web browsers
ever invented. It may support some "standards" but for
general speed/gui/usability it is one of the worst (in my opinion). "

I use Phoenix (mozilla's browser-spinoff-thingy) and it flys. The UI can be skinned, it has support for mouse gestures (what are they? say most amigans...) and runs straight from the folder.

It's still in beta, btw.

If your setup is as slow as you say, then I'd check your configuration as there is something mighty wrong there.

Regards,
Dave.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 40 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 29-Jan-2003 18:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Dave):
"You're confusing yourself here. One of the plus points of CSS is that the style of the *entire site* can be
changed instantly (even by the client visiting the site if given the choice). You've probably seen loads of
sites that let you change the entire look by clicking on a radio
button ar drop-down menu. Very handy. "

I have never seen this. Perhaps you are on a different Web from me.

It certainly should be possible. I prefer a plain layout with as
little attempt at making the page look like a printed page as
possible. Tables work well for this.

ANN seems to me to be very clear and easy to use compared to most
non-Amiga forums.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 41 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Kelly Samel on 29-Jan-2003 19:07 GMT
Well, I am using the new IBrowse demo right now, and
I must say that I am really impressed. The speed
of the layout and stability seem very good on this
release. I may consider switching from AWeb but will
have to do a bit more testing. Looking great though!

P.S: Well I use an Amithlon system ATM so
everything else feels "slow"... :)
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 42 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Ryu on 29-Jan-2003 19:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Don Cox):
im with you on this one, one of the main resons I still visit ann is because of its easy of use and easy to navigate, just like Amibench is.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 43 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jan-2003 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
..and whats the point of having a 'standard' or having some style layout
protocol which the end user either must change settings of , deactivate,
disable or play with via browser settings when visiting certain sites?

take me to a decent enlightened site anyday. sorry, all arguments
for CSS fail short. you can do almost everything with the old
FONT and TABLE calls..... the main issue USED to be that tables were
really painful and slow in browsers, THAT has changed

alan
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 44 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by alan buxey on 29-Jan-2003 19:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ryu):
..both are clean and simple to cater for their target audience..ie Amiga users
who'll possibly be USING Amigas and Amiga webbrowsers ;-)

..the plus side, is of course, that by catering for basic browsers,
you get a nice, clean layout. simple and effective.

I wish council and bank sites could be as effective

alan
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 45 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by sutro on 29-Jan-2003 19:45 GMT
Have tried the new version. Good work indeed. Both the UI and the actual browser seem faster. I am switching back to Amiga for WWW surfing.
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 46 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by rafo on 29-Jan-2003 19:58 GMT
It's great to know that browser is still supported.
Anyway, I'm amazed among 45 comments nobody ever mentionned anything
about PPC stuff, about MOS and/or AOS4 support, and so on...
So ?
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 47 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by reflect on 29-Jan-2003 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (sutro):
I'm switching back to the amiga too, although I was using aweb for most things. only online banking etc that was causing some troubles for me, but that works perfectly here now.

this really is a nice step forward. great work to the burstroem-brothers and the team behind them :)
IBrowse 2.3 released, IOSPIRIT new distributor : Comment 48 of 125ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 29-Jan-2003 20:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (rafo):
Read the FFAQ :

http://www.ibrowse-dev.net/faq.php

Gregg
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Posted by Damien McKenna on 29-Jan-2003 20:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (alan buxey):
CSS allows web developers control the look of an _entire_ _site_ by changing one file compared to font tags and tables where you have to do it by hand on each page, on each paragraph. Research CSS, go look up some sites that use it well, and you'll be amazed at the elegance. Font tags and tables are more WYSIWYG, you have to actually _think_ and _plan_ a site to use CSS correctly.

Additionally, all those font tags, nested tables, etc, etc, are terrible for someone using a text reader or braile machine. CSS and other recent W3C guidelines force you to keep these types of visitors in mind.

Not to mention the fact that with CSS on a decent browser you can force your browser to use a style sheet that _you_ define, so if you want to you can read all of the text at 36 point.

The college I used to work for had several disabled students who came to that college _because_ their site was developed using CSS and had other accessibility features so they could actually use the site to find out information about classes, register, etc - none of these standards are supported on Amiga web browsers.

Damien
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Posted by Damien McKenna on 29-Jan-2003 20:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (rafo):
It works on MorphOS due to the 68k emulation.
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