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Posted on 06-Feb-2003 13:41 GMT by Pressure (Edited on 2003-02-06 17:32:48 GMT by Christophe Decanini)83 comments
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Amibench has closed today indefinitely due to continued abuse and harrassment to the owner. Mark 'tecno' Wilson's statement can be found here

Pressure.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 1 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Wilson on 06-Feb-2003 12:43 GMT
Just visit www.amibench.org.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 2 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 06-Feb-2003 13:05 GMT
Great going fella's, keep shitting on the webmasters.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 3 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 06-Feb-2003 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (T_Bone):
People like the low life asshole that sent that email to Mark shall not ask to
be called Amiga users anymore. NEVER. They don't deserve the title. That's NOT
the way to stop piracy.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 4 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 06-Feb-2003 13:27 GMT
How extensive was this abuse.. email a week, a dissing forum posting per week.. ? Meaning is it really necessary close down everything because of a couple of dicks.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 5 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Wilson on 06-Feb-2003 13:34 GMT
It not the emails 3+ a day, sprouting crap that bother me, Or usally the adverts on the site calling me a fag.

Its the continued threats of legal action for Defamation, and Slander are the main reason that its come to a head today. Usally by people I ban for mis-using the site.

Twice since christmas and three times in december I've had people threaten to take me to court.

Why should I have to go through the stress and waste my money on something I now very clearly get nothing from.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 6 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 06-Feb-2003 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Wilson):
>Twice since christmas and three times in december I've had people threaten to take me to court.

?!

I'm dying to know what for but it's probably personal :|
Amibench has Shut : Comment 7 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Wilson on 06-Feb-2003 13:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
Defamation, and Slander.

Is all I'm going to say on the matter.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 8 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Andrew Korn on 06-Feb-2003 14:14 GMT
Another one bites the dust - score one more point for the cause of stupidity.

Perhaps one day this market will come to realise just how much it has lost because of the hostile attitude of far too large a minority.

Mark, you worked your arse off for the good of this community, and most people do recognise that and are grateful for it. It's just a shame the morons are louder.

Oh, and Happy Birthday by the way ;-)
Amibench has Shut : Comment 9 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Lando on 06-Feb-2003 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Rik Sweeney):
>I'm dying to know what for but it's probably personal :|

Well, as I recall certain people were selling pirated cracked versions of Amiga software (expensive stuff like ImageFX and PageStream) on Amibench.

After receiving some complaints from people who'd been scammed, Mark quite rightly "outed" them on Amibench and printed their email addresses so that people would know not to buy anything from them. They took offence to this and started bleating about "slander" and "deformation of character" etc.

So, Mark removed the information. Now he gets abusive emails and comments from people saying that he allows Amibench to be used as a site for selling pir8 software! Unbelievable!

Well, I hope theyre happy now as the community has lost the best site for selling and buying Amiga hardware.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 10 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Feb-2003 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Lando):
Perhaps the solution is to allow only hardware sales and no software.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 11 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Chris Hodges on 06-Feb-2003 14:38 GMT
Happy Birthday tecnobab :-( You were doing a great job with Amibench.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 12 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 06-Feb-2003 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Mark Wilson):
Dear Mark,

You are giving a great service to many Amiga users, as the 70 new messages only today clearly speak of. I think you shouldn't give up just for a couple of brain-dead stupids. Just think that if you hang a page on the net and you open it to submissions of any kind, it's sure that you will find brainless people submitting thrash. Just look at any open forum... Anyway, you give already a link to "Terms of Use", so anybody should know before posting.

Please, keep the service.

Best regards,

Ferry
Amibench has Shut : Comment 13 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 06-Feb-2003 14:39 GMT
Just put the site in standby and get back when the community will shine again. In 1 or 2 years I hope...
Amibench has Shut : Comment 14 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by AdmV on 06-Feb-2003 15:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Elwood):
Shine? When ?

This is like a certain channel on a certain I R C network used to be. Secretly they operated a nice little scheme, yet publicly they banned people for piracy, or use of amiga emulators. An in joke that if you know someone, then its ok for them to be 'illegal' but if you don't know someone then thats 'bad' and they must be punished.

Not all the senior people were guilty of course, but in truth, the whole subject leads to problems.

As for Mark's site, he has done a good job for a long time and its sad its had to come to this. The idiots who have carried out the abuse are worthless cretins, but thats just my opinion

Another one bites the dust...

AdmV
Amibench has Shut : Comment 15 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Severin on 06-Feb-2003 15:27 GMT
This has got to be the worst news I've heard for a long time :(

Sorry for the shite birthday Mark, But I'm sure that I can speak for the rest of the amiga community (well 99.9%) that whether Amibench is dead, or just lying low for a while, whatever you decide we will support you.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 16 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2003 15:50 GMT
To all you destructive fucking assholes in the Amiga community. Don’t let me catch you alone in a dark alley, only one of us will leave that alley and it won’t be you
Amibench has Shut : Comment 17 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by José on 06-Feb-2003 16:13 GMT
Would it be possible to add registration ? I think it would help.
Every one can sell pirated software even on eBay! They buyer doensn't know, and unless he uses a third party service, there's no way to secure the items. It's not your fault. Amibench only provides the service of allowing the info to be available.
Put up the site again!
Amibench has Shut : Comment 18 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Wilson on 06-Feb-2003 17:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (José):
Ok. To say I'm shocked is a bit of an understatement.

My email has being going crazy, and so have all the Amiga news sites from what I've seen and heard.

Its sobering to see so many people are upset about what I posted on AmiBench.

I think I'm going to have to re-consider what I said. For the next couple of days the site will remain closed. Maybe permently I'm not sure. I dont know what else I can say. I have no intention of 'handing' over the site to anyone else to run because then its just not the same.

I've had many offers of help and support and my email is going crazy. I need a couple of days to think things over. After all today is my birthday
Amibench has Shut : Comment 19 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 06-Feb-2003 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (José):
Yes, I guess registration could help a bit, and do a such one where a user must accept that their e-mail adress may be given out if they are miss using the service of the site...

But regadles of that, I guess Mark needs some time away, but I hope that Mark would reconcider his decission and reopen Amibench.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 20 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 06-Feb-2003 17:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mark Wilson):
"After all today is my birthday"

Hey, Happy Birthday, Mark!

If you have read "The Lord of the Rings", surely you remember a wise hobbit custom: they make gifts instead of receiving them on their birthdays, so make us a "hobbit birthday gift" and reopen Amibench :-D

Ferry
Amibench has Shut : Comment 21 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Jaeson Koszarsky on 06-Feb-2003 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mark Wilson):
It's unfortunate that a few idiots can harass someone enough to make them stop providing a service that many others really appreciate. These losers should just crawl back under their rocks and stay there. They're pathetic. I hope he changes his mind about closing but I can fully understand his frustration and reasons for doing so.

Jaeson K.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 22 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Feb-2003 17:31 GMT
These events warn off anyone who wants to set up an amiga site :(
Amibench has Shut : Comment 23 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Martin N on 06-Feb-2003 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Ferry):
I doubt the people posting pirate stuff are actually a part of the amiga community. I expect they see it as an oputunity to make money off some warez that have got hold off.

A suggestion would be to only allow users to post sale notices with an amiga client rather through the website that will discourage some of these out for a quick buck.

Another thing is i gave up on amibench due to the lack of a feedback forum that ebay has. Unfortunately there are not that many bargains on ebay as it seems to be a sellers market to me- ok if you really want something but I tend to look for something tempting :)

I think some change needs to happen as things cant contunue the way they have done.

Good Luck what ever you decide
Amibench has Shut : Comment 24 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas W on 06-Feb-2003 18:14 GMT
Happy birthday :)
Hope you reconsider it. I think the hardware only solution would be better than closing down for good.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 25 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 06-Feb-2003 18:48 GMT
I think everybody here have allready said what I was going to say!

So I just wan't to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY (hope to see the site up again soon).

Best Regards
Troels Ersking
Amibench has Shut : Comment 26 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Some Farker on 06-Feb-2003 19:01 GMT
Yay! The Amiga "community" is alive and well! Stupid bastards, the lot of you.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 27 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Paul McCord on 06-Feb-2003 20:45 GMT
I've already left a message for Mark, assuming that he's still checking his feedback mail.I've always found Amibench to be a brilliant place to find second hand hardware / software, and to think that a bunch of mindless tw@ts can cause this site to be shut down because they've nothing better to do than flame people really p@~$£s me off.Get a life you morons!
Amibench has Shut : Comment 28 of 83ANN.lu
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Fake
Amibench has Shut : Comment 29 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Xeyes on 06-Feb-2003 21:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mark Wilson):
doh!
Amibench has Shut : Comment 30 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Duncan Snowden on 06-Feb-2003 22:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mark Wilson):
> I think I'm going to have to re-consider what I said.

I sincerely hope so. Amibench is (was?) one of the best things about the Amiga "community". In all honesty, I haven't used it very often, but I'd certainly miss it.

Take your time to decide - I'm sure your decision wasn't taken lightly in the first place - but be assured that, as someone else put it, 99.9% of us are right behind you.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 31 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by AnonX on 06-Feb-2003 22:17 GMT
This is just terrible news, that a community has such evil minded people only out to destroy the small number of quality amiga websites is almost beyond beliefim sorry to see such a great service go down the pan, but i can understand why you wouldnt want to put up with that sort of bullsh*t any more
Amibench has Shut : Comment 32 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Amibench Fan on 06-Feb-2003 22:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mark Wilson):
I know you must be angry but is there really any need to insult innocent people?

I am ashamed at your above comments.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 33 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 06-Feb-2003 23:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Andrew Korn):
Is that "the" Mr Korn - what are you doing these days? (Besides waiting for the 2nd coming...?!)
Amibench has Shut : Comment 34 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 06-Feb-2003 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mark Wilson):
> Listen carefully you stupid bastards,
> Amibench is gone for good so shut the fuck up and stop whining about it,
> One last comment to make is you people call yourself Amigans but your just
> evil fuckers who have attacked me for years with no reasons at all.

Happy Birthday? :|
Amibench has Shut : Comment 35 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 06-Feb-2003 23:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mark Wilson):
Is this comment a hoax? It seems a little out of line with comment 18. If it's your birthday you should be at the blind drunk stage by now anyway so I guess it must be a hoax.

---
Sam
Amibench has Shut : Comment 36 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Somebody on 07-Feb-2003 00:05 GMT
Yes fake message with the same IP address, GET REAL the guy is pissed off so spreading his anger is acceptable.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 37 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Andrew Korn on 07-Feb-2003 00:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Ben):
Looking on with increasing disbelief, what else? ;-)
Amibench has Shut : Comment 38 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Feb-2003 00:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Somebody):
Well if it is indeed real why the hell is it so out of line with the previous comment?

On one hand it's all - lots of good comments of support from everyone - and then all of a sudden we're all 'stupid bastards' that should 'shut the fuck up'.

---
Sam
Amibench has Shut : Comment 39 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Feb-2003 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Somebody):
And that's another thing - spreading anger is never acceptable.

---
Sam
Amibench has Shut : Comment 40 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Sam Smith on 07-Feb-2003 00:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Andrew Korn):
Yes. It's all a bit of a confused jumble of emotions at the moment isn't it? You know, sometimes I wonder what places like ANN would have been like when the Amiga was alive and well.

I wonder if it would have been as volatile?

---
Sam
Amibench has Shut : Comment 41 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 07-Feb-2003 01:24 GMT
Happy Birthday!

Sweet Sixteen, eh?

Maybe...

Don't worry about AmiBench, there are other sites providing the same service for sometime now.

Sounds like you made a few friends over the years, how about keeping them...
Amibench has Shut : Comment 42 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by T_Bone on 07-Feb-2003 02:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (MarkTime):
> Sounds like you made a few friends over the years, how about keeping them...

Give him a break, he's just celebrating "Festivus" :)

(The "airing of grievances" for those who don't watch Seinfeld)
Amibench has Shut : Comment 43 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Hooligan/DCS on 07-Feb-2003 03:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Mark Wilson):
A bit of generalising here don't we say? But happy birthday, and fuck you too
Amibench has Shut : Comment 44 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Bama on 07-Feb-2003 04:42 GMT
Seems like the guy is looking for pity or something. (Poooor baby.. you got a bad email on your birthday). My suggestion would be: Be a man, grow up, and deal with it. If you can't do that, you shouldn't have started the site in the first place.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 45 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Mark Wilson on 07-Feb-2003 06:24 GMT
Comment 28 was not by me. So please ignore it.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 46 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Bandaren on 07-Feb-2003 07:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Mark Wilson):
62.254.0.7 ?
Amibench has Shut : Comment 47 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 07-Feb-2003 08:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Some Farker):
"Stupid bastards, the lot of you."

Great, tar us all with the same brush... thats really constructive. If thats the case, why are you here?
Amibench has Shut : Comment 48 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 07-Feb-2003 08:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Bandaren):
This IP address belongs to a web proxy/cache server.
www.xinit.net/ntl_proxy.shtml

Comment 28 could have been posted by any ntl.com subscriber using this web proxy.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 49 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Fake Mark Wilson on 07-Feb-2003 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Anonymous):
Exactly, those proxy servers are really good as it does not send out the real users IP,

No i did not post comment 28 this is just an example how people can spoof people to shout abuse around.
Amibench has Shut : Comment 50 of 83ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 07-Feb-2003 09:36 GMT
Little wonder all the real Amigians left the scene long ago.
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