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Posted on 24-Aug-2003 12:40 GMT by Mike Bouma59 comments
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Dave Pitcher (aka Miffy) has reviewed Eyetech's AmigaONE Power System, based on the A1G4-XE motherboard at the AmigaWorld.net community portal.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 1 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-Aug-2003 13:09 GMT
Nice review :-) However, I find PPC UAE versions rather limited, and it applies to other "motherboards that are discontinued"'s UAE as well. Apart from that, I liked it much.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 2 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 24-Aug-2003 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Emeric SH):
What? Are you implying the AmigaOne G4-XE is discontinued?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 3 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Aug-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Olegil):
He is referring to a similar product from another manufacturer.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 4 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 13:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Olegil):
No, he means UAE-PPC is limited on all PPC platforms, i think ;)

Cheers
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 5 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amon_Re):
And hes right, but its still an excellent stop gap, which is all the review sayes.

I notice it has Picasso memory settings, anyone know how to get it using P96 modes or is that WinUAE only?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 6 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-Aug-2003 13:42 GMT
"No, he means UAE-PPC is limited on all PPC platforms, i think ;)"

Exactly :) Thanks. :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 7 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Olegil on 24-Aug-2003 13:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Emeric SH):
Ok, I reread it and see what you mean :-)

Not a good day for this, I'm afraid...
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 8 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 13:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (DaveP):
" I notice it has Picasso memory settings, anyone know how to get it using P96 modes or is that WinUAE only?"

You need to head over to the picasso homepage or aminet and pickup the latest P96 archive. In the UAE settings give it some P96 ram and boot.. from there install P96 with the UAEGFX driver; It will warn you that its for WinUAE only but it should work (It works here on Linux/i386).

You may want to also try the exotic binaries that Debian has ... IIRC they have the BSDSocket.library patch etc :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 9 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 13:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (corpse):
The day just got that bit brighter, thanks :-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 10 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 13:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (corpse):
Don't forget to register Picasso96.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 11 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 13:53 GMT
Moderate linux review.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 12 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 13:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (DaveP):
I forgot ...

You'll need to reboot UAE and select one of the new modes in the screenmode prefs .. but you've probably worked that out ;)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 13 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 24-Aug-2003 14:02 GMT
AmigaOne has NOTHING in common with the amiga spirit and is nothing more then a Linuxppc machine. No interest in it.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 14 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Eva):
Thanks for your on topic usual contribution eva.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 15 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 24-Aug-2003 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
Yep and to me is absurd the review of a Linux system that is years different from Mos or Aos.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 16 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Miffy on 24-Aug-2003 14:10 GMT
Eva you are a prime example of what is wrong with this community. I take this as a reverse compliment, if the review was OK enough to be trolled by Eva out of panic then it must be OK.

Thanks for the compliment sweetie :-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 17 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Eva):
"AmigaOne has NOTHING in common with the amiga spirit"

I want some of this "Amiga Spirit"... Is is distilled from the juices of dodgy hardware and shady companies?

"and is nothing more then a Linuxppc machine. No interest in it."

But you were all over the Pegasos Distro? Make up your mind Eva.. it sounds to me like your personalities can't decide which should be dominate.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 18 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (corpse):
that's dominant btw ;)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 19 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Eva):
If you're not interested, ignore it?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 20 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-Aug-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Miffy):
Is this DaveP/Miffy nick change in the thread is something like Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde? :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 21 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Emeric SH):
Yep. :-)

Just dont rewake Hyde right?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 22 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-Aug-2003 14:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (DaveP):
Is there an antidote to stop the unleashed bloodthirsty ravenous rabbit? :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 23 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Miffy):
>Eva you are a prime example of what is wrong with this community

I agree. For me "the amiga spirit" has been about friendly userbase, but this doesn't look like it anymore :(

But nice review anyway, thanks!
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 24 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Emeric SH):
Keep Eva away from threads? ;-) Or a carrot... whichever is more practical.

Seriously though I doubt Eva clicked on the link so I thought Id better answer with the nick that he/she would recognise in context.

Dave.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 25 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 24-Aug-2003 14:30 GMT
I just got new troll idea... Since you can run UAE on Linux why even bother for OS4. You could install OS 3.9 on it and run more applications than OS4 ever could :) And it is Amiga branded machine too -> no problems with license. Anyway nice reviewb ut OS4 review for CSPPC could be more interesting. HW review without primary OS is always "crippled"...
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 26 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Eva):
Yet you rave on about the Pegasos & MorphOS, wich has asmuch in common with the Amiga as UAE, if you look at it.

Both run legacy apps, don't they? Both aren't designed by Jay Miner, Carl Sassenrath, Dave Hymie and the rest of their geniusses, neighter runs on 68k, both feature an 68k emulator...

Your point just backfired EVA

Cheers
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 27 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (itix):
LOL, i actually like that trolling idea :)

But UAE is a dead-end i'm affraid ;(

Cheers
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 28 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 24-Aug-2003 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Anonymous):
> For me "the amiga spirit" has been about friendly userbase Since when this userbase was friendly? For years if you said: I love my Atari ST, you got flamed.I love my Windows, you got flamed.I love my Linux, you got flamed.I love my UAE, you got flamed. (And then there were PUP vs WUP wars and much more...) But have a nice day :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 29 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Aug-2003 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (itix):
The amiga community = triggerhappy flamers ;)

Cheers
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 30 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by corpse on 24-Aug-2003 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (itix):
"HW review without primary OS is always "crippled"..."

I've never heard of a primary OS? ... please enlighten me.

/me always thought that these boards were designed to be general purpose

Maybe I should start running windows on my x86.. thats like its primary OS, the fact that I doesn't have the features I require or that the hardware is general purpose and thus is designed to run almost anything you want doesn't come into it. bah
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 31 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 24-Aug-2003 14:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (itix):
I loved my Speccy, and got flamed (usually by c64 folks :-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 32 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 24-Aug-2003 14:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (corpse):
AmigaOne without OS4 is like Mac without MacOS. Usable, but something important is missing there.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 33 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 14:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (itix):
>Since when this userbase was friendly? For years if you said:

True, it's been really years.. but flaming was almost non-existent before new hardware/os-software projects we're announced.

>But have a nice day :)

Thanks, i'll try :)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 34 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Aug-2003 15:04 GMT
Juust a point on the scoring. Am I right in saying that a 0 in the niggle factor cat is good, but a 10 in the rest is good too. Wouldn't that have an effect on the final score?
KenH
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 35 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Niggle factor has a negative effect on scoring the rest do not. But the final score is not a mathematical average because different factors mean different things in relative weighting to me.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 36 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Aug-2003 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (hooligan/dcs):
@Hooligan/DCS:

>>I loved my Speccy, and got flamed (usually by c64 folks :-)

You deserved to be!!! The Shed-Ex SpecraCon sucked and the C64 rocked!!! ;-)

Seriously, I was always arguing with an old mate of mine over whether his ZX81 was better than my VIC-20, whether my C64 was better than his Spectrum and finally, whether my C128 was better than the Sinclair QL he was planning to buy... did anyone actually buy a Sinclair QL???
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 37 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Aug-2003 16:07 GMT
Just for the record, EVA is an abbreviation for "Extra-Vehicular Activity". We can therefore assume that "Eva" is not this poor trollís name, but that the troll is simply referring to it's favourite habit of taking long, lonely walks in that massive airless vacuum that inhabits the space between her ears...

Just a thought... ;-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 38 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 24-Aug-2003 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (corpse):
>/me always thought that these boards were designed to be general purpose

I guess, that's true... afaik, Teron boards were designed primarily for Linux use...

But in my opinion, when Eyetech sells them as "AmigaOnes", it sounds, they're supposed to run something with official "Amiga" name (among other OS'es, and no, I don't mean "just" WB3.x on UAE)

Currently, there is no this "Official Amiga OS" but it should be available some time after CSPPC version (Which should be available... Well... Soon?)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 39 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Anon on 24-Aug-2003 16:33 GMT
What has this review to do with Amiga?

When will we see reviews of UAE on generic x86 hardware?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 40 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 24-Aug-2003 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anon):
When you write one.

Its a product with the Amiga name, but of course you noticed that you are yet another troll wanting to open the silly debate about what is Amiga and what is not.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 41 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 24-Aug-2003 17:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Anon):
>What has this review to do with Amiga?

why should it have to be related to Amiga ?
the A in ANN doesn't stand for Amiga you know...

anything computer related can be posted here..
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 42 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Aug-2003 18:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (itix):
"AmigaOne without OS4 is like Mac without MacOS. Usable, but something important is missing there."

However, the board is equally usable as a Linux machine, and the review set out to discover just how well that works. It seems to be very efficient, but it wasn't clear how it would compare with a PC running the same distro.

My bet is that far more AmigaOnes and Pegasoses will be sold to run Linux than any other OS.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 43 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 24-Aug-2003 18:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (DaveP):
I never knew that DaveP and Miffy were the same rabbit. All these nicks are very confusing.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 44 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 24-Aug-2003 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Darrin):
> Seriously, I was always arguing with an old mate of mine over whether his ZX81
> was better than my VIC-20, whether my C64 was better than his Spectrum and
> finally, whether my C128 was better than the Sinclair QL he was planning to
> buy... did anyone actually buy a Sinclair QL???

Spectrum won for me. Sure, the C64 had more hardware in there, but did that matter for the games? Noooo. OTOH the 4 Mhz Z80 vs. the <1Mhz 6502 made the difference when playing Elite and a bunch of other games...

Spectrum was a cool machine, one that I could still build hardware for ;-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 45 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Aug-2003 19:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
Hi H-J :-)

>> Spectrum won for me. Sure, the C64 had more hardware in there, but did that
>> matter for the games? Noooo. OTOH the 4 Mhz Z80 vs. the <1Mhz 6502 made the
>> difference when playing Elite and a bunch of other games...

But what about the awful Speccy sound!!! Arrrggghhh, my ears!!! ;-)

I never played Elite on the Spectrum. I used to play it on a BBC Micro B in school and then spend hours on it on the C64 at home. I still give the Amiga version a whirl now and then. Frontier never managed to create the "thrill" of the original :-(

>> Spectrum was a cool machine, one that I could still build hardware for ;-)

Start by building it a decent keyboard ;-)
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 46 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 24-Aug-2003 21:36 GMT
I will be serious just for one moment.
I readed the review and, then, compared it in an open mind to the Pegasos review of Decanini.

In Cristophe review, like in other Pegasos reviews, I see the use of software and an Os that are maded, created and used by Amiga fan people (aka people that TODAY continue to use also their A4000, not a stupid emulator).
They spoke about Frogger, Mui, Voyager, Diropus, Yam and a lot of new and old programs created by enthusiast Amiga programmers and used by all real Amiga users.

While in "Amiga"one review?
"The KDE control center is a sight for sore eyes, in minutes I have changed the default theme considerably and the desktop now looks how I like it"
"its time to see what the Package Manager ( a graphical installer that wrappers Debians' ..."
"Time to play with UAE. It is straighforward to get to, from the 'K' menu run straight to the top and click on UAE..."

This is the point m8s ... Amiga is KDE? Amiga is Debian? Amiga is UAE?
I think that Amiga is my eng-italian translator Ital2.5, or Yam2.4 used by my boyfiend too, or the little Frogger capable to play corrupted video file that all Linux players are uncapable to understand. I think that Amiga is not an Rpm or a Mainboard that runs a Linux distro and has the name Amiga. Or for you this is an Amiga?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 47 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 24-Aug-2003 21:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Eva):
I never thought I'd say this, but you've written an interesting and thought provoking post. Personally, I'd like to have more details on running and configuring the UAE with the package and comparing it to WinUAE. It would also be nice if Dave owned a catweasle too to test original Amiga floppy games and software. Perhaps in the next review?

However, until OS4 is released then all we can do is revire Linux and the AmigaOne hardware. Like it or not, the AmigaOne is an Amiga and you can cry all you like about it. Just because someone sells you an A500 without it's Workbench disks doesn't mean that the A500 isn't an Amiga.

Why can't you write comments like this all of the time instead of wading in with flame-fanning waffle?
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 48 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 25-Aug-2003 06:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Eva):
Debian was ported to the A1 by enthusiastic Amiga people who still have their A4000s. Its a review of what I got in the box for a specific purpose, not of AOS4 or and not specifically of the AmigaOS parts. I focussed on Linux because I am fed up with reviews saying "oh and now to wait for AOS4" and also because it seems to be so scarey to Amiga users.

Either way, it is nothing to get a political cob on about. If you can post this articulately with a bit of thought then perhaps you need to be thoughtful before you post each time.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 49 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by DaveP on 25-Aug-2003 06:44 GMT
With Bernies modification I now reliably get this ( more or less )

( typing this out cos A1 is not connected to network at the moment )

WRITE

size = 64 bytes: 2133.333 MB/s
size = 128 bytes: 1969.231 MB/s
size = 256 bytes: 2327.273 MB/s
size = 512 bytes: 2327.273 MB/s
size = 1024 bytes: 2560.000 MB/s
....
size = 131072 bytes: 1219.048 MB/s

( bored = skipping to end )
size = 8388608 bytes: 250.980 MB/s

READ:

size = 64 bytes: 2133.333 MB/s
size = 128 bytes: 2133.333 MB/s
size = 256 bytes: 2560.000 MB/s
size = 512 bytes: 2560.000 MB/s
size = 1024 bytes: 2844.444 MB/s
....
size = 131072 bytes: 1422.222 MB/s
....
size = 8388608 bytes: 216.949 MB/s

There you have it, Ive repeated it 10 times with the same result ( unlike with the old version ).

gcc --version
2.95.4

Its an A1 XE G4. Debian.
AmigaONE Power System Review : Comment 50 of 59ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 25-Aug-2003 07:33 GMT
Nice review.

I personally do not fancy on learning PPC Linux while waiting for the next AmigaOS.

Amiga-like things, like MorphOS appeal a lot more in the meanwhile.

I still wish Hyperion would release a public BETATESTER version of AOS4.
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