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Posted on 23-Dec-2003 12:58 GMT by Senex60 comments
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According to amiga-news.de (german), the Pegasos 2 mainboards are shipping now.
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Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Dec-2003 12:17 GMT
The babblefish translation suggests something is really happening.
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 2 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Titanic on 23-Dec-2003 12:55 GMT
Hope they aren't shipped with the Titanic otherwise they never arrive :)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 3 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Boris Grisenko on 23-Dec-2003 14:23 GMT
Where can I take a look at the images that Mr.Buck promised to be ready about last weekend? Are they available?
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Posted by bennymee on 23-Dec-2003 14:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Boris Grisenko):
Yes, where is the link ? It is tuesday now, perhaps on pegasosppc.com somewhere ?
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Posted by Senex on 23-Dec-2003 14:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (bennymee):
I suppose tomorrow some photos can be provided - please have patience. For Genesi it had been the priority to actually get them shipped as quick as possible than doing a photo session first. Therefore the original plan regarding a photo documentation of all steps of the shipping changed on a very short notice.
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 6 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Boris Grisenko on 23-Dec-2003 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Senex):
Well, let's see who will be the first one to review it!!
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 7 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 23-Dec-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Senex):
You'd also have to get the boards *to* the people photographing them, right?
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 8 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by BrianK on 23-Dec-2003 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Titanic):
The Titantic is running again?
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 9 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 23-Dec-2003 17:25 GMT
Well, it did not happen as we wanted it to. There were many problems. Here are a few examples that in a couple of months we will be able to laugh at, but in the last week have generated plenty of anxiety:

1. The PCBs were late by two days. The TNT shipment was delivered to DK not DE!
2. The wave soldering machine broke (and was patched together).
3. The SMD machines ran out of sync for the first day.

Thomas and Gerald and the whole team at DCE overcame all the problems to make it still happen.

All the boards ordered online went out today.

Reseller boards go out tomorrow with the exception of Vesalia who picked up the boards at DCE themselves.

There is MUCH more to the story, but we will discuss all that after the first boards arrive where they need to!

:-)

R&B
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 10 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Senex on 23-Dec-2003 17:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Nate Downes):
That's right. Therefore I don't expect any photos before tomorrow at the earliest, i.e. once the Genesi employee who handles the shipping to the resellers has got them.

The original plan had been to ship them directly from DCE, and in this case amiga-news.de would have done a photo report. That was what Raquel and Bill were pointing at last week.
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Posted by oGALAXYo on 23-Dec-2003 17:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
.. no happy end like SamFace and Bouma fallen in love and married ? :)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 12 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by opi on 23-Dec-2003 18:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (oGALAXYo):
Could happend, X-Mas is around the corner. :-)
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Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 23-Dec-2003 19:49 GMT
I'll believe it when I see a photo of a Fedex/UPS/DHL/etc delivery guy handing off a PegII box to a customer on their doorstep.

Also, sounds like there might be a higher than norm/expected defect rate. Hope you did some comprehensive testing.
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Posted by bbrv on 23-Dec-2003 20:09 GMT
Urgh!

UPS will not accept the shipments until tomorrow.

R&B
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Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 23-Dec-2003 20:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (bbrv):
*Shudder* UPS...
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Posted by EyeAm on 23-Dec-2003 20:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
>Well, it did not happen as we wanted it to. There were many problems.
>Here are a few examples that in a couple of months we will be able to
>laugh at, but in the last week have generated plenty of anxiety:

>1. The PCBs were late by two days. The TNT shipment was delivered to DK
>not DE!
>2. The wave soldering machine broke (and was patched together).
>3. The SMD machines ran out of sync for the first day.

I got two words for you: MERCURY RETROGRADE. :)


>All the boards ordered online went out today.

Yes, but will they be returning, or find their way to some other destination? Hmm. Mercury Retrograde.

>Reseller boards go out tomorrow with the exception of Vesalia who picked up
>the boards at DCE themselves.

Expect hassles with deliveries, dates, numbers, addresses, and messages. Mercury Retrograde. :)

>There is MUCH more to the story, but we will discuss all that after the first
>boards arrive where they need to!

You hope. Mercury Retrograde :)

--EyeAm
-=AMIGA OS 4.0=-
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Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Dec-2003 20:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (EyeAm):
Astrology... What next? :)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 18 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Matt Parsons on 23-Dec-2003 21:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (EyeAm):
What the hell is a Mercury Retrograde?
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 19 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 23-Dec-2003 21:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Matt Parsons):
"Mercury, the Roman god of "communications and everyday routines" seldom gets much attention in astrology, except those times when he briefly turns retrograde in the transiting (moving) sky. Then Mercury gets blamed for just about anything (and everything) that might go "wrong.""


Mercury Retrograde is an expression to the phaenomenon when (observed from Earth) Mercury seems to move backwards on the sky.
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 20 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Dec-2003 21:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Mr. Anonymous):
> I'll believe it when I see a photo of a Fedex/UPS/DHL/etc delivery guy handing
> off a PegII box to a customer on their doorstep.

What's this anger I taste here? Why does it seem to bother you so much that the PegII may actually be shipping?

Some people...
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 21 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Muuh on 23-Dec-2003 22:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (EyeAm):
"I am" is bullshit.
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Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2003 22:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
Doesn't sound like anger to me, it sounds like "I'll believe it when I see it" which is fair enough given the delays.

Besides, why are you concerned that he is concerned about delivery of Peg II? ;-)

Some people! :)
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 23-Dec-2003 23:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Anonymous):
> Doesn't sound like anger to me, it sounds like "I'll believe it when I see it"
> which is fair enough given the delays.

The tone used doesn't leave much space to imagination: it was plainly accusatory, without any reason. I bet the guy is simply someone who's decide to divide the community in camps and to stay on the opposite camp.

> Besides, why are you concerned that he is concerned about delivery of Peg II?
> ;-)

You fail to get my point, although I admit it wasn't that obvious: I'm not concerned about _that_, what "concerns" me - if we really want to use this term - is that there are people who can't help to always say something unnice "just because".

> Some people! :)

Indeed.
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Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2003 23:43 GMT
Now that the machines have been put together and will be shipping soon, will someone please give us a better feature list than "better than sliced bread with FireWire"? :)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 25 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 23-Dec-2003 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Fabio Alemagna):
Fabio, I wouldn't talk about "tone" if I were you: 99% of the time you get into trouble with the admins at AW it's because of your tone, not because of the factual stuff you write (which is mostly correct, once you get past all the emotionally charged words). You tend to word things in such a way that it just gets ppls blood pressure up, this guy is just doing the same. I can believe that you just write that way and don't intentionally troll, you should probably extend the same to him.
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Posted by Neko on 24-Dec-2003 01:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
99% of the time, anyone who isn't "working at" Amiga or in their pants is
in trouble with the AW admins.

=Neko=
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 27 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Loki on 24-Dec-2003 03:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Neko):
BULL SHIT!

Loki
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 24-Dec-2003 03:59 GMT
I want my AmigaOne Lite NOW!
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 29 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Dec-2003 05:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
Well, knowing TNT, that doesn't suprise me, and well,you know, shit happens! glad to hear it's sorted out.

All that's left now is to get a review :)

Cheers
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 30 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Dec-2003 05:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Ronald St-Maurice):
Wrong thread mate

Cheers
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 31 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Amon_Re on 24-Dec-2003 05:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Neko):
Leave the AW.net bashing to wrongpla.net, atleast they are funny sometimes.

Cheers
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
It's better than Fruitcake with Firewire. It is the holiday season after all. Have a jolly one!
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 33 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by tarbos on 24-Dec-2003 07:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (bbrv):
>1. The PCBs were late by two days. The TNT shipment was delivered to DK not DE!>2. The wave soldering machine broke (and was patched together).>3. The SMD machines ran out of sync for the first day. Murphy's law anyone?
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 34 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Dec-2003 09:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Anonymous):
> Fabio, I wouldn't talk about "tone" if I were you: 99% of the time you get into
> trouble with the admins at AW it's because of your tone, not because of the
> factual stuff you write (which is mostly correct, once you get past all the
> emotionally charged words). You tend to word things in such a way that it just
> gets ppls blood pressure up, this guy is just doing the same. I can believe that
> you just write that way and don't intentionally troll, you should probably
> extend the same to him.

The difference is, that I talk about things that are happening or have happened, and thus my accusatory tone is there for a *reason*, whilst I don't see the reason for this guy to use an accusatory tone, as I already said.

The key word here is "reason".
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 35 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 10:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (tarbos):
More like lame excuses. Any one of those, or maybe two of them I can believe. All three is just too much, bbrv is starting to sound like a certain other Bill. The peg2s were on schedule (and rockin'?), then events tragically conspired against them. I call bullshit. I predict there will be another tragic mishap, or someone somewhere will forget to do something, and we won't be seeing any peg2s until mid-January at the earliest. In fact, I'm starting to think this is simply a ploy by bbrv to make ppl hold off buying an AmigaOne instead of a Pegasos... fairly standard tactic, pioneered by IBM back in the 70s. Get ppl to hold off buying the competition's product, promising a much better one that's just around the corner (but may not in fact even exist yet).

Sorry bill, your tactics might work on GenX kiddies, but some of us have been around for a lot longer (I still have a few cards from the ol' IBM 2501 I used back in the day). If you can fool these 20somethings more power to you, but I can see you coming a mile off, and I bet I'm not the only one.
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Posted by bbrv on 24-Dec-2003 11:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Anonymous):
Hi Mr. 4.65.4.185, bah humbug! Have a Merry Chritmas anyway you old grump! :-D

UPS just picked up packages destined for Japan, Italy, Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Belgium, Hungary, Holland, Spain, Canada, Turkey, Australia (with one for New Zealand), Poland, Luxembourg and the UK and USA (including Hawaii!)

Hopefully they will all be there in time, and you in your scorn can still enjoy a nice Holiday Season!

:-)

R&B
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 37 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 24-Dec-2003 11:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (bbrv):
Way to go, Genesi team!

Although people don't get their Peg2s before Christmas, hopefully many people will get them before the end of Christmas vacation!

You should definitely communicate the tracking numbers to the purchasers if you haven't already!
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 38 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by pt on 24-Dec-2003 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Daniel Miller):
" UPS just picked up packages destined for Japan, Italy, Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Belgium, Hungary, Holland, Spain, Canada, Turkey, Australia (with one for New Zealand), Poland, Luxembourg and the UK and USA (including Hawaii!)"...
---------------
1 Peg2 for every country? LOL
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 39 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Critonsgate on 24-Dec-2003 12:51 GMT
Ill think the same LOL MDR(mort de rire)....
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Posted by bbrv on 24-Dec-2003 13:35 GMT
Well, actually there are a few more than that!

http://www.morphos-news.de/temp/peg2/ups_guy2.jpg

http://www.morphos-news.de/temp/peg2/shipping.jpg

Full report coming soon!

Happy Holidays! Grinches included!

R&B
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 41 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 24-Dec-2003 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (bbrv):
Oh... what's that box with an Amiga label on it? :-0
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 42 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 24-Dec-2003 13:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (bbrv):
I spotted that Amiga box too. :P

Are those just the shipments from the PegasosPPC.com buyers or did that include the shipments to resellers? :P

Have the tracking numbers been sent yet? (Great, just when I'm having difficulties with one of my main e-mail addresses.)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 43 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 14:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Neko):
Funny that, because 99% of the time you are full of shit Neko. ;-)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 44 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by bbrv on 24-Dec-2003 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Stephane Desrosiers):
Stephane, just sent you a tracking number. We will be working on getting these out for the rest of the day.

:-)

R&B
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 45 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 24-Dec-2003 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (bbrv):
Congrats all the Genesi team....I know you've been working hard towards this moment, such a shame I can't participate in this round :-( C'est la vie...

Here's to the future. Merry Xmas,

Steve
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 46 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Emeric SH on 24-Dec-2003 17:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
"Oh... what's that box with an Amiga label on it? :-0"

Maybe the T-Shirts :)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 47 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 24-Dec-2003 18:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (bbrv):
Great. :) I've got my tracking number... Yay!

(I had to wait for my hosting service to get my e-mail server back up and running before I was able to retrieve it.)
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 48 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Mr. Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 19:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (bbrv):
NO, No, no. I said Delivery pictures not Shipment pictures!
Pegasos 2 is shipping : Comment 49 of 60ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 19:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Fabio Alemagna):
perhaps subliminal advertising? ;-)
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Posted by Anonymous on 24-Dec-2003 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (Fabio Alemagna):
Anger, maybe. Frustrations is like anger, I suppose. It's like these things are never going to ship. First is was PegII coming August 2004, that was at the beginning of the year. Then it was September, then October, orders were taken, no shipment. November, nope... December, yup definitly then. Almost Christmas, still not shipping and New Years is coming up. Did you see the post right after mine? Number 14, UPS not taking the shipment. It's like Genesi is cursed or incompetent, or conspired against or a combination of those. All together, sounds like bad karma. Which doesn't give me much hope for few board problems. There will probably be more bad news.
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