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Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 1 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by bluvi on 16-Mar-2004 00:15 GMT
so bbrv is right about Garry Hare, so Amiga Inc, are the one who always lies after all.

just my opinion :)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 2 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bluvi):
jepp same that i thought
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 3 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 00:24 GMT
Since when is Kate Moss a company ?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 4 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by HD on 16-Mar-2004 00:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Doesn't it stand for Kill Morph OS ? (KMOS)
Just a guess inspired by someone else...
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 5 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 16-Mar-2004 00:25 GMT
Bugger, I was just about to submit that myself !
At least it answers a few questions that have been raised lately.
And also raises a few..

Why are Amiga Inc clinging to DE? it`s outdated and outclassed by pretty much everything it wants to compete with.

And then there`s that name again..Garry Hare, and the agreement was formed back in April 2003. Now when was it those cards were being handed out?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 6 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 00:28 GMT
When I first saw the rumor about an April 2003 sale to KMOS, I thought how could this be true, because this was almost a year ago? Now I wonder how Bill McEwen managed to avoid mentioning this sale during the court proceedings. If Bill Buck's interpretation of the relationship between AmigaDE and AmigaOS is accepted by the court, then this sale to KMOS would appear to be invalid. I wonder what Amiga, Inc.'s motives were for keeping the sale quiet. I wonder what Genesi's next step will be. I wonder how the judge will react to the apparent deception. Keep the popcorn coming, looks like we're in for another chapter in this melodrama.

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 7 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 00:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
gary_c I see it similar like you. I think this stinks totally. It's time that Buck is shutting them down forever. It's boring wathing all this farce over and over again.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 8 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 16-Mar-2004 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
Now you mention it Gary, McEwan couldn`t have timed the sale much better. They had an agreement for almost a year, went through a court case and lost, then finalized the sale.
All that talk of "next round of investors" crap he fed the court, when he had this pretty much wrapped up, and like you said, not a word about it.

The funny thing is, they`ve sold the Amiga OS to concentrate on DE just after fighting a court case to stop Genesi from using (and paying) for it.. and I don`t see any other companies wanting to buy it.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 9 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 00:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
Except Bucky-boy and the rest of the clowns are all out of money - while KMOS has them. It's time to put that criminal where he belongs.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 10 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by dodot on 16-Mar-2004 00:50 GMT
R.I.P. Amiga.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 11 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 16-Mar-2004 00:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (gary_c):
> I wonder how the judge will react to the apparent deception.

It's a funny thing how perception works, because that is EXACTLY what I know your friend bbrv is FULL of!


AmigaOne! AOS4.0! New lease on life!!!!
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 12 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by hnl_dk on 16-Mar-2004 00:53 GMT
Thanks working with you Amiga Inc. ... Welcome KMOS ... Does anyone have information about KMOS ... Links ...
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 13 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-Mar-2004 01:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (hnl_dk):
That's the crux of it, isn't it? Why does there appear to be no information available either on Itec LLC or this KMOS Inc?

It would be nice if all this was true and above board, but this is the Amiga scene, and by golly the smell reminds me of Grimsby harbour!

It does tend to offer some sort of explanation of the whole Garry Hare fiasco, but it does not explain the lies and deceptions that certain people appear at face value to have indulged in over the past 12 months.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 14 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 01:03 GMT
Hello, I am Kate Moss. Please don't use my name for your bullshit.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 15 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 01:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Anonymous):
Except Bucky-boy and the rest of the clowns are all out of money - while KMOS has them.

Considering that, AFAIK, Bill McEwen failed to mention this sale -- which I would expect to be of critical importance -- when giving sworn testimony concerning Amiga, Inc. and its assets, it seems there may be more legal work to be done to sort things out. It remains to be seen where the criminality is, if any.

It seems more than a little strange to me that an IP sale agreement would be made but not announced for 11 months. Even AmigaOS/AmigaOne supporters seem to have felt that the OS would be better off in someone else's hands, so I wonder why KMOS's delay in acknowledging ownership. I suspect this might represent manuevering by AI's financers as much as, if not more than, a grand plan based on technology and business factors. Remember that when Garry Hare's name first came up as "Amiga, Inc. CEO," it was said that he was brought in by the financers to try to straighten things out. I suspect there's a connection here.

Anyway, if this isn't all just a legal shell game, let's hope it opens up more options for AmigaOS, despite Garry Hare's mention of the AmigaOne partners' agreement.

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 16 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 16-Mar-2004 01:06 GMT
I'm the first one who'd like to see AInc out of the picture and almost
anyone else in, but hey.. this smells crooked business a long way.
I don't understand why they invent this 'KMOS' rather than 'selling'
it to Merlancia..
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 17 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 01:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
Bollocks. The only garbage being spewn in this case remains with the originator, a certain bbrv (Mrs)

It will be interesting to test public opinion once he/ she has been dealt with.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 18 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-Mar-2004 01:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (gary_c):
I'm just going "so, when is AInc paying Bolton?"
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 19 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 01:28 GMT
Interesting to see that the anti-Amiga Inc brigade managed to slime their way here before everyone else.

I see nothing negative here (unless you're an extremist member of the Blue Camp). What's the matter boys? I take it your expectations of getting a copy of OS4 for the Pegasos for only $5 or better still, seeing it buried forever just went up in smoke.

So the AmigaOne and OS4 still have a bright future and remain solidly in the hands of the people who backed it all along. Tonight the Red Camp celebrate while the Blue Camp passes out the Kleenex ;-)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 20 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 01:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Nate Downes):
Probably about the same time Gensei pay Christian ;-)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 21 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 01:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Johan Rönnblom):
>I don't understand why they invent this 'KMOS' rather than 'selling'
>it to Merlancia..

As much as Rich Woods and I have had our differences, if you visit his website then you'll see a million good reasons why nobody in their right mind would "sell" ANYTHING to Merlancia.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 22 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 16-Mar-2004 01:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
>I see nothing negative here

Me neither, now Bill&Fleecy are out of the way, the future is a lot brighter for OS4
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 23 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 01:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Doobrey):
>Me neither, now Bill&Fleecy are out of the way, the future is a lot brighter
> for OS4

Well, from reading comments on "other news sites", the Hyperion guys seem pretty happy about the news too. So, if they think it's good then it must be. :-)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 24 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 01:41 GMT
Buck will slice them off now and put their testicles in glases with alcohol. Be sure this will become a funny entertainment even if it lasts short but we all will get a fine lough how these minions and apes from AmigaInc will burn in hell.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 25 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 01:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Darrin):
Interesting to see that the anti-Amiga Inc brigade managed to slime their way here before everyone else.

I was wondering how long it'd be before we got a rational, reasonable post by an Amiga supporter instead of Anonymous insults and slams. Still waiting, actually. But at least you've signed your post.

I see nothing negative here (unless you're an extremist member of the Blue Camp). What's the matter boys? I take it your expectations of getting a copy of OS4 for the Pegasos for only $5 or better still, seeing it buried forever just went up in smoke.

I can't believe you're still unaware of Genesi's ideas about AmigaOS4 and the Pegasos. Please read them more carefully. Or, I suppose if you did have that information, it'd take all the wind out of your flames, so I suppost it's best for you to continue to make things up as you go along.

As for "seeing nothing negative here," that's to be expected, but the fact that this sale seems to have occurred in a parallel universe vis-a-vis Amiga's hearings before the Washington State court might be something the judge would want to look into. If there is a ready explanation, that's fine, of course.

So the AmigaOne and OS4 still have a bright future and remain solidly in the hands of the people who backed it all along.

That could well be, but I think nothing much can be said until we know something about this mysterious transaction. As I posted earlier, if this is legit, I hope it opens up possibilities for the OS that Amiga, Inc. wasn't ready for.

Tonight the Red Camp celebrate while the Blue Camp passes out the Kleenex ;-)

If you could you shrinkwrap this little mental construct you've got going, you could probably give the game market a nice boost. ;-) Don't forget the disclaimer, though: "Not to be confused with reality."

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 26 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 01:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bluvi):
Garry Hare is CEO of KMOS (Kill MorphOS ??!), never Amiga.

BBRV clearly got a sniff of something last year, no-one ever doubted that. He probably heard "CEO" along the way. However the business card thing was clearly a fake. Quite disingeneous of him, or whoever made it up, I'm sure that the only reason was to try and de-rail anything between Amiga Inc and this KMOS company.

However, in the end I am very happy that Amiga Inc. are out of the picture regarding AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne, etc. They were the part I wasn't happy with, and I'm sure that most other people were not happy with them either.

I wonder if the sale got Amiga Inc. enough money to pay a lawyer, and to pay ex-employees...
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 27 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 16-Mar-2004 01:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Anonymous):
I don't know about anyone else, but my opinion of Amiga Inc staff honesty has nothing to do with Mr or Mrs BBRV whatsoever.

I love these anonymous red trolls. Why don't you do something constructive and post some links to the new owners' web site, or at least clarify the details of this year old deal, not to mention explaining why such a significant and crucial arrangement was conveniently not revealed in court when McEwen was required to disclose the company's finances?

Personally, I smell another dodgy deal. When it comes to crooked deals, it seems red and blue camps are as bad as each other.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 28 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 02:00 GMT
And the court case was all about Amiga DE, not Amiga OS. BBRV might be trying to trick the judge into thinking that Amiga DE === Amiga OS though. It isn't like the Pegasos is the "mobile" platform that the original agreement was signed for either. Not that the company that Amiga Inc signed it with still exists, their fault if they made it transferrable though.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 29 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 02:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Graham_nli):
Garry Hare is CEO of KMOS (Kill MorphOS ??!), never Amiga.

Never Amiga? And you base that on what documentation? (And I don't mean the word of people who've already demonstrated dubious credibility.) KMOS itelf we know nothing about, except that it acquired Itec LLC, with which Amiga, Inc. made the sales agreement, according to the press release. Based on the profound absence of pertinent information, it's impossible to say if and when Mr. Hare was CEO of which company, although we can all have fun speculating.

BBRV clearly got a sniff of something last year, no-one ever doubted that. He probably heard "CEO" along the way. However the business card thing was clearly a fake. Quite disingeneous of him, or whoever made it up, I'm sure that the only reason was to try and de-rail anything between Amiga Inc and this KMOS company.

Hmmm, sorry but your description is even harder to believe than most of these conspiracy theories. As you must know, even fleecy stated that Garry Hare was brought into Amiga, Inc. in some capacity to "assist" Bill McEwen, or however it was worded. So the plausibility of Mr. Hare presenting himself as an Amiga staff member -- not as "KMOS CEO" -- is sound. You'll have to elaborate on the timing of the AI-Itec (not KMOS) deal and the business card appearance if you want to be convincing about the BBRV sabotage theory.

Really, it makes more sense to believe that BBRV are sincere in their explanation that they had the impression Garry Hare was the new AI CEO; then of course they interpreted and extrapolated from this in line with their own desires, which grated on a lot of people and turned out to be incorrect. As for the card itself, there's reasonable evidense to suggest that it's genuine. I'm anxious to hear Mr. Hare's own account of events; I hope he realizes what kind of strange world he's entered with this IP buy.

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 30 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 02:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (gary_c):
Once again Gary_C proves that he has nothing sane to bring to any conversation and as usual his rapier-like wit is as blunt as a butter-knife. Yawn.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 31 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 02:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (gary_c):
>I'm anxious to hear Mr. Hare's own account of events; I hope he realizes what kind of strange world he's entered with this IP buy.

Except that Mr. Hare is not going to waste his breath explaining anything to a jumped up nobody like yourself. Plus, your "world" is sooooo much better, isn't it?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 32 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 02:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Darrin):
Actually Gary_c is right. Everything he says is based on facts and not emotions.

What I'm most curious about is how long Bill McEwen is going to prison? Anyone?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 33 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 02:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
Darrin, even better think about all the Soulbrothers who will have him pick up the soap in Jail :)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 34 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Pimploch on 16-Mar-2004 02:58 GMT
https://sos-res.state.de.us/tin/GINameSearch.jsp

There is an entry for KMOS Inc. Only general information is free, seems Delaware is a really cheap state.

Entity Details
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS IS NOT A STATEMENT OF GOOD STANDING

File Number: 3712284
Incorporation Date / Formation Date: 10/07/2003
Entity Name: KMOS, INC.
Entity Kind: CORPORATION
Entity Type: GENERAL
Residency: DOMESTIC
State: DE
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 35 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 03:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Anonymous):
> What I'm most curious about is how long Bill McEwen is going to prison? Anyone?

By the way this is not a troll but a serious question. How long is Bill going to be put away for?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 36 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 03:02 GMT
I'd grant that maybe the business card was a misprinted set that he had to use before the correct ones were made. That's about it though.

As far as I know, Bill McEwan said they were getting more money in the court case, and maybe this was it. Maybe American corporate law allows companies to keep these things quiet until it is made public even in court cases (otherwise you could find out any company's private future plans / finances / etc just by making them make a statement in court, etc).

As none of us here are lawyers, lets not even bother talking about whether Bill McEwan was right or not to not disclose the sale of AmigaOS rights in the court case. It wasn't even pertinent, the case relates to AmigaDE which Amiga Inc still have control of.

I'm just glad that what I like about the Amiga, the OS, is now hopefully in much better hands, hopefully hands with more money too!
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 37 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Nate Downes on 16-Mar-2004 03:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Graham_nli):
You know, thinking this over....

I am not going to set foot on this or any amiga-related site for the next month. Maybe the dust will settle over this by then! Maybe not, but I will have no part in it. You all can troll yourselves till you are gasping for breath, I am not getting involved.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 38 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 16-Mar-2004 03:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
>Darrin, even better think about all the Soulbrothers who will have him pick up the soap in Jail :)

I'd rather not... owch!!! :-)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 39 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 16-Mar-2004 03:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Graham_nli):
AInc has been insolvent and not paying court-rulings for atleast 2.5 years.

How long do you think would a (back-dated) contract taking away AInc's only
valueble asset stand if tested in court ?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 40 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 16-Mar-2004 03:30 GMT
Interesting =)

Didn't see THAT coming
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 41 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kronos):
It looks to me like what Amiga Inc is doing, is complying with the orders of the Court. As you said, AmigaOS is the last thing Amiga Inc has that is of any value. So they are selling it so they can pay Bolton Peck, the rent guy, etc etc.

They COULD have just declared bankruptcy (effectively leaving a lot of people without their money or any way to get it - with bankruptcy sales the lawyers say who gets what first), but instead they did the honorable thing and sold the last thing they had of value to pay their debts. I don't think they will get out of this alive (RIP Amiga Inc), but they will doing it with their honor intact. They made many mistakes, but they're doing their best to pay their debt. There's not a whole lot more anyone can ask for.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 42 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 03:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
That sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. Hell, it could be a result of the original court case by Bolton Peck, not the more recent one.

Ah well, bye bye Amiga Inc. Not many people will miss you.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 43 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 03:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Anonymous):
As you talk about doing the honorable thing, something to consider is that the biggest part of Amiga, Inc.'s debt is salaries owed to none other than Fleecy Moss and Bill McEwen. I don't know if the law indicates how new income is to be distributed, if nonmanagement employee salaries or external debts get any priority or not.

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 44 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 04:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (gary_c):
And who's said anything about who's going to be getting what? all we know is that they've sold the most valuable thing they had, and made the sale public. That means that the cash from the sale will be used to pay back debts (if they were planning to do otherwise, they would have tried to cover up the sale). Nothing more, nothing less.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 45 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 16-Mar-2004 04:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
Fair enough, though actually it seems they *did* cover up the sale for 11 months, for some reason.

-- gary_c
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 46 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Mar-2004 04:30 GMT
After the last posting I made on ANN, I don't give a piss if anyone replies to this message or not. This is my opinion and my opinion only.

I'm glad Amiga Inc sold the OS.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 47 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by EyeAm on 16-Mar-2004 04:52 GMT
Some people need to quit spreading lies and FUD about Amiga, Inc.

Until you see it on Amiga's website, don't believe it. :-)

AMIGA OS 4.0 comes out soon. And some of you will finally give up erroneously believing that you can sink Amiga, Inc. You cannot.

--EyeAm
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 48 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 04:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (EyeAm):
Especially when they win the court case against Thendic now they have the backing of KMOS and the money to fight. No wonder Bill Buck has been quiet recently, he wasn't planning on this development. It quite ruins his plans for getting control of Amiga, AmigaOS, etc.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 49 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Mar-2004 05:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Graham_nli):
To be quite honest, Buck held Amiga by the short and curlies. Even though McEwen spoke about receiving more money in the court room, he was not required to divulge where the funding would be from, especially since it had to do with the OS and not the DE. Even still, that's a whole other debate of which will be argued until people are blue in the face.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 50 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 16-Mar-2004 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (the man in the shadows):
>> until people are blue in the face.

or red in the face! :D
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