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[News] Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS RightsANN.lu
Posted on 16-Mar-2004 01:11 GMT by Anonymouse124 comments
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Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 101 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 13:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Don Cox):
> But they are not bankrupt and show no signs of wanting to be.

You put it kind of funny IMHO; "show no signs of wanting to be" :-D
Well, bankruptcy is not a matter of wanting or not! ;-)

OK, I didn't claim that they are bankrupt, however, it's pretty clear to me that they have been *on the verge* of bankruptcy for quite a long time.

> You can be heavily in debt without being bankrupt,

Of course, but their debts are huge (debts that they are not paying), they have no money flowing in since their business has stalled a long time ago, they have been ordered *by court* to pay at least some of the debts, which they haven't done (to the best of my knowledge), and I honestly can't tell how it can be that they still hasn't been put to bankruptcy "by force" a long time ago?! But they are clearly *on the verge* of bankruptcy anyway, and that was my point ...

> and if you are heavily in debt selling some assets is the right thing to do.

As Mr Hermans pointed out, it will be illigal to sell any assets when you are on the verge of bankruptcy, unless it can be assured that it is done in a way that ensures a fair market price, which pretty much translates into "as much money as possible" in cases like this, in order to cover as much of the debts as possible. To meet that demand, this is usually handled through public auctions.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 102 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (Don Cox):
> It is a simple, distinctive word, easily remembered.

It takes a lot more than that!
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 103 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 16-Mar-2004 13:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (bluvi):
> so bbrv is right about Garry Hare, so Amiga Inc, are the one who always lies after all.
> just my opinion :)

Nonsense.

bb: It is old news that Gary is the new CEO of Amiga Inc.
Amiga: Gary is not the CEO.

How from this news item you come to the consclusion that Amiga lied is beyond me and can only be explained by blue pill induced reality shift.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 104 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 13:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Ketzer):
Oh you are twisting things and spinning and spinning so we all becomes dizzy here! ;-) Is it really that hard to acknowledge to yourself that BBRV (and other people at that time) were right all along, and the constant denials from Fleecy and Ray A Akey about this was nothing but deceivements and lies, closely followed by FUD?

Come on, say it, say "I'm sorry I called you liars", it's not that hard! ;-)

No, I'll stop teasing you now ...
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 105 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (takemehomegrandma):
It's really not that difficult is it?

Try again:

BBRV: He's the new CEO of Amiga Inc.
Amiga: He's not the new CEO of Amiga Inc.

Reality: Bill McEwen is President and CEO of Amiga Inc.

Now, which one lied blatantly and which one didn't?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 106 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 16-Mar-2004 14:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (takemehomegrandma):
> Oh you are twisting things and spinning and spinning so we all becomes dizzy here! ;-) Is it really that hard to acknowledge to yourself that BBRV (and other people at that time) were right all along, and the constant denials from Fleecy and Ray A Akey about this was nothing but deceivements and lies, closely followed by FUD?

WTF are you talking about? You still have these delusional fantasies of Gary Hare being CEO of Amiga Inc. ???

> Come on, say it, say "I'm sorry I called you liars", it's not that hard! ;-)

I called bb a liar and Ive been proven right (and not for the first time either). Just a wait a few days before the judge makes it offical that bb is misleading people :-P

> No, I'll stop teasing you now ...

Teasing? You have no clue.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 107 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 16-Mar-2004 14:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (Ketzer):
> Just a wait a few days before the judge makes it offical that bb is misleading people :-P

Oh, before you get caught, I was poking fun at what may happen (and rightfully should).
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 108 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 15:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
OK, I'll not reply to the other one, since I promised I would stop teasing him!
;-)

But I am amazed that you people are STILL trying to claim that Garry Hare *was not* put in charge over Amiga Inc to save what could be saved and make the best out of the situation!? Still! Today!

**Now when we are beginning to see the results of his efforts!**

-*WOW*-

:-O

Well, let's look at the *high res* scan of the business card, since some people are seriously claiming the small one to be a fake (which is kind of hilarious by itself, talk about paranoia, haha!)

http://users.kymp.net/p305543a/pics/garry_hare_biz_card.png

Save that and magnify that even further!

I would also like you people to stop saying things like:
Amiga: He's not the ne..., I mean, putting an equal sign between Amiga (as a platform) and Amiga Inc (as a burst dot-com dream bouble). "Amiga is back in court", "people are doing bad things to Amiga", etc, when it's not the platform you are talking about but some VC junkies trying to keep up appearance! Not that I really care about "the name" anymore (rather the opposite, actually), but some people do, and to purpously misuse this way of writing might delude weak-minded people to actually *believe* (there are *lots* of weak-minded believers around) that Amiga Inc is the same thing as the platform that is the reason to why we are all still here, and project the beauty of the Amiga platform onto the filthy corpse of Amiga Inc! Even you people should see the inappropriateness in this by now, after todays happenings! Right?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 109 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (takemehomegrandma):
"there are *lots* of weak-minded believers around"

That's kind of funny really. Coming from you. Ha.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 110 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 15:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Anonymous):
Yes, I am a proud believer of the platform, but I am actually not particulary weak minded. I have printed proof of that! :-)
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 111 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 16-Mar-2004 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (takemehomegrandma):
BTW, this is a quote from Tigger at amiga.org:

"Just so you know the facts. Wayne Hunt scanned that business card, I physically saw it, the entire NASAU user group (the founders of this site) saw it, lots of other people saw this one, or the others that were handed out by Garry, this belief that the business card is a photoshop fake instead of a scan is just silly, period.
-Tig"
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 112 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 15:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (takemehomegrandma):
Who cares, when youre wrong, youre wrong. He wasnt/isnt CEO of Amiga Inc. It was never disputed that he was/is involved with Amiga. BB lied. but youre either too proud, too stupid or too loyal to accept it. But sure, keep going but dont think youre lies are being believed anymore either.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 113 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Mar-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (takemehomegrandma):
So what? How hard is it to publically scan a forged business card? He wasnt/isnt CEO. BB lied.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 114 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 16-Mar-2004 18:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (Anonymous):
>>>
BBRV: He's the new CEO of Amiga Inc.
Amiga: He's not the new CEO of Amiga Inc.

Reality: Bill McEwen is President and CEO of Amiga Inc.

Now, which one lied blatantly and which one didn't?
>>>

Lets play in the real world.

Here are the real questions.

Q: Why was Garry Hare handing out Amiga Inc CEO cards.

A: Bill McEwen is currently the CEO of Amiga Inc.

Thats not saying Garry didnt hand out those cards.

Q: Why did Bill McEwen say Garry Hare was the new CEO during his deposition of April 30th?

A: I cannot comment on ongoing litigation.

Thats also not saying McEwen didnt say Garry was the new CEO at the deposition.

Its real simple, Amiga Inc won't say anything about Garry and the business cards, because Garry really handed them out.
-Tig
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 115 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 17-Mar-2004 00:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (priest):
>>I don`t see any other companies wanting to buy it.
>I thought M$ is selling DE stuff. When did that stop?

You mean the gamepack thingy?
I thought that stopped when they ran out of stock.

Anyway, wasn`t that different from the main DE idea?
What happened to the set top box and mobile phone makers that wanted a slice of DE?
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 116 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Doobrey on 17-Mar-2004 01:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Tigger):
>Its real simple, Amiga Inc won't say anything about Garry and the business
>cards, because Garry really handed them out.

I remember when this fiasco first surfaced, everyone waited for an official announcement from Amiga Inc,all they could say was Garry isn`t the CEO, Bill is.

I found it funny that they never said "It`s a lie,Garry never handed out any cards" or words to that effect, just an announcement that could have been written by Tony Blair in they way it gave an answer, but not actually answering the question(s) that were asked.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 117 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 17-Mar-2004 06:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 114 (Tigger):
Once more for you: Its irrelevant if or if not Gary Hare had these cards and gave them out.

BB claimed that its old news that Gary Hare is the CEO of Amiga Inc. And *this* is the only thing rightfully disputed by Amiga. Just as he swore the "fleecy" mail was authentic.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 118 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 111 (takemehomegrandma):
It ain't particularly hard to print your own business cards you know!

I doubt anyone said that it was a photoshop forgery, if they did then more fool them.

The business card exists, sure. The person who handed them out does (whether they were Garry Hare or not is another question). Whether the information on the card is correct is another matter - it could have been a misprint, a mistake that happened too late to be corrected in time for the show.

It isn't a biggie anyway, even if it is all true, and Bill McEwan was not CEO for a brief period of time, even though this does not seem to be the case. bbrv said that Garry Hare was CEO of Amiga Inc without getting confirmation, just using a bit of card going around as proof. Like he used that forged e-mail as proof in the court case. He hasn't got a good track record with these things really.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 119 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by The Lesbian Avengers on 17-Mar-2004 09:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (Darrin):
Oh for goodness' sakes drop this pointed sexism... it's not funny, it's just plain old irritating and boorish.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 120 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 18-Mar-2004 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 117 (Ketzer):
[quote]
Once more for you: Its irrelevant if or if not Gary Hare had these cards and gave them out.
[/quote]
Why is irrelevant if Garry Hare handed out business cards that said he was the CEO and President of Amiga Inc, this ought to be funny as hell. Explain to me why a person sent by the investors to Amiga Inc and handing out cards saying he's in charge should not have been believed??

[quote]
BB claimed that its old news that Gary Hare is the CEO of Amiga Inc. And *this* is the only thing rightfully disputed by Amiga.
[/quote]
It was old news, lots on both sides knew about it, the show he handed the cards out at was in February. Thats when I heard. Did Garry talk to Bill Buck? Again noone at Amiga Inc said no he didnt, because again that would be a lie. They stuck with Bill is currently the CEO line, yeah because operation Shell game was being carried out and Garry had an important role to play in that, so he was no longer CEO.
-Tig
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 121 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Tigger on 18-Mar-2004 07:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (Graham_nli):
[quote]
I doubt anyone said that it was a photoshop forgery, if they did then more fool them.
[/quote]
Pay closer attention, people this week were explaining how it was a photoshop forgery, which is really funny to all of thus who saw it, and Wayne who scanned it.

[quote]
The business card exists, sure. The person who handed them out does (whether they were Garry Hare or not is another question). Whether the information on the card is correct is another matter - it could have been a misprint, a mistake that happened too late to be corrected in time for the show.
[/quote]
It was Garry Hare handing them out guys, its not like Garry is not known from his CDI days, and the person who told me about it, like myself met Garry long before last year. If Garry was handing them out and they were misprints, dont you think he wouldnt have told people he was CEO during the conversation?? Also why did McEwen identify Garry as the CEO during his deposition in April if your theory is correct??
-Tig
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 122 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 19-Mar-2004 14:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (Tigger):
Maybe the cards have been printed officially, maybe Gary handed them out, maybe he even told bb that he was CEO, maybe Gary was even supposed to become Amiga Inc. CEO "soon".

Maybe the "fleecy" mail was real.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 123 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Ketzer on 19-Mar-2004 14:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Tigger):
> Also why did McEwen identify Garry as the CEO during his deposition in April if your theory is correct??

I dont know if he did, that doesnt seem to be part of the court documents.
Amiga Inc. Has Sold AmigaOS Rights : Comment 124 of 124ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 19-Mar-2004 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 122 (Ketzer):
Maybe the cards have been printed officially,

Probably.

maybe Gary handed them out,

Probably.

maybe he even told bb that he was CEO,

Probably.

maybe Gary was even supposed to become Amiga Inc. CEO "soon".

Probably.

Maybe the "fleecy" mail was real.

Highly Selassie.

Gregg
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