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[Rant] I've been had.ANN.lu
Posted on 17-Mar-2004 00:58 GMT by I've been had.86 comments
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I'm pissed. I don't know how else to say it. I willingly participated in the "I Am Amiga" club for the sole purpose of helping Amiga to further AmigaOS, and now I find out that they didn't even OWN AmigaOS when I sent them my money! What right did they have in taking my money under this false pretense? I will never trust anyone in this community again with my money, everyone has turned out to be nothing but liars.
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Posted by Matt Parsons on 17-Mar-2004 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Graham_nli):
FAbio is not Anti AmigaOS... otherwise he wouldn't be helping make a free version for you to use :-)

I can't speak for him, but I'm sure he feels the same way about Amiga Inc. as I do... Frankly I can't stand them. As I'm sure a trawl through the Ann and A.org archives will show. The further they get away from the community the happier I will be.

My Biggest concern about this KMOS issue is that it doesn't seem like AmigaOS is actually getting away from Amiga Inc.
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Posted by Graham_nli on 17-Mar-2004 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Matt Parsons):
It would be handy to have more information on KMOS, that is true. Especially what links it has with Amiga Inc.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 17-Mar-2004 18:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Anonymous):
>Fleecy, also, answered quite a few questions

Well, if you can call that "answering" :)
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Posted by Troels on 17-Mar-2004 19:28 GMT
How original, a rant by some anonymos fool...

How I wished that only "trusted users" could post new Forum, Rant, news etc entrys, would make ANN much more trustworthy.
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Posted by hammer on 17-Mar-2004 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Seehund):
Recall the Hyperionís claimed *bankrupt proof* (in relation to Amiga Inc) agreement...
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Posted by iam on 17-Mar-2004 20:07 GMT
KMOS - Kill MorphOS or what?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 17-Mar-2004 22:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Matt Parsons):
> I can't speak for him, but I'm sure he feels the same way about Amiga Inc. as I
> do... Frankly I can't stand them.

Sorry to disappoint you, but no, I don't share that view: I simply don't care that much to not stand them.

I used to be a great Amiga fan, and with that an Amiga Inc. fan. I was so fan to be bordering the line of zealotism. Then I grew up and understood we're only talking about plastic and silicon here, nothing to be so religious about, and started looking at things from a longer distance, so to get the picture of the whole, rather than an image of a little part.

So, since some years now, I have lots of opinions to share, and when I see something to talk about, I usually do talk about it. It's not my fault if, objectively speaking, AInc put themselves in the position of being an easy target for criticism. That said, I always refrain from making useless remarks out of the blue about AInc, I always try to raise questions which I feel need to be raised when and where it's the time and place to do so. I might fail at it sometimes, but hey, I'm just human.

As for being anti AmigaOS... well, it's rather funny to say I'm anti AmigaOS, since I work on a daily basis on AROS.
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Posted by NoFleecyMan on 17-Mar-2004 23:02 GMT
Fleecy = Iraqi Information Minister !!!!!!!!!
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Posted by Targhan on 17-Mar-2004 23:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Graham_nli):
Graham_nli:

> on that boot-lick-fest website of his

Wow. Thank you for such a lovely characterization of a MorphZone. I invite you to come visit us. You will see that with exception of very few threads, the majority of activity there is users supporting one another. C'mon by. I'm sure that someone simply informed you wrongly about what MorphZone is supposed to be.

Targhan
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Posted by Anonymous Flounder on 17-Mar-2004 23:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous Cow):
Anonymous Cow says:

> Somebody set up us the bomb.

For great justice!
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Posted by Anonymous on 17-Mar-2004 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Targhan):
@Targhan

Funny, we AW'ers provide the same sort of atmosphere for AmigaOS users, and we get called looney. How does that work, Targhan?
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Posted by T_Bone on 18-Mar-2004 00:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Atheist2):
> Which version release of AmigaOS took 20 years to complete?

Who's talking "versions?", I'm talking about the state of the OS itself. Pick any version you like.
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Posted by Targhan on 18-Mar-2004 01:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
@Anonymous

If I knew the answer to that question, I would have long since shared it with DaveP.

-
Targhan
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Posted by gary_c on 18-Mar-2004 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Funny, we AW'ers provide the same sort of atmosphere for AmigaOS users, and we get called looney. How does that work, Targhan?

I think you'll find that the staff of MorphZone doesn't post antagonistic statements about individuals involved in other projects, whereas a number of Amigaworld moderators (an oxymoron in this case) are highly partisan and vocal.

Although, to his credit, DaveP has stepped in to caution users about emoting against the "blue camp," in general there's a fairly high tolerance for anti-Genesi statements.

Looking at things more generally, MorphZone is probably a much more positive place because these people actually have their hardware and OS already, so that's where the energy goes, whereas the Amigaworld guys are still waiting for the full package. Once they get it, hopefully the tone will be more computing and less politics and personalities.

-- gary_c
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Posted by boinger on 18-Mar-2004 02:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Ronald St-Maurice):
is Allah Ackbar?
I've been had. : Comment 66 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2004 02:16 GMT
No shat. I don't blame you. If there ever was a company that jacked everyone, it's EVERY company that had the Amiga name.
I've been had. : Comment 67 of 86ANN.lu
Posted by Atheist2 on 18-Mar-2004 02:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (T_Bone):
Hi T_Bone,

Post #4 by Anonymous (80.42.47.71) was
> Yes but also not a lot to gain, AROS development is pathetically slow.

To which you replied in post #5
> How do you figure it's slow? AmigaOS has been worked on for almost 20
> years now, where is it? Not too far off from where AROS is, IMO.

AOS works now and has since 1985.
Since AROS doesn't work yet, I mixed up your wording with you saying it took 20 years for AOS to work.

You can post any way you like, but I didn't find that one clear, sorry.


AROS is an important project.
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Posted by EyeAm on 18-Mar-2004 06:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Atheist2):
>AROS is an important project.

Yes, but I wouldn't put it beyond Amiga, Inc. to shut it down. After all, unless there is a secret agreement between the two, I wouldn't count on it, because I don't think Fleecy and co. like AROS.

Looking back, I think all I got was the 'smile-and-nod' treatment from Amiga, when suggesting AROS and Amiga, Inc. work together.

Be warned; it might not be too pretty, outside of "emulation", which was suggested to me by Amiga, Inc. with regard to anything 'Amiga' about my own OS features. :) After all, isn't that why Amiga is going after Genesi/MorphOS?

--EyeAm
http://s87767106.onlinehome.us
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Posted by framiga on 18-Mar-2004 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Troels):
Hi,

can someone explain me what a "trusted user" stay for?

I've contacted Kemp privately but no reply at all . . .

Cheers
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Posted by samface on 18-Mar-2004 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Fabio Alemagna):
>well, it's rather funny to say I'm anti AmigaOS, since I work on a daily basis
>on AROS.

Well, it's not that obvious if you ask me. I mean, on one hand AROS has contributed source code to the development of certain AmigaOS versions, while on the other hand AROS is an AmigaOS alternative that will be competing for the AmigaOS users and software developers in the future. Anti-AmigaOS or not, I'm really not sure. Hopefully, both will be able to co-exist and benefit from each other like they have been in the past and like they do today, but who knows what the future will unfold?
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Posted by samface on 18-Mar-2004 09:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (framiga):
All it means is that you have had your identity confirmed through an e-mail exchange with the staff of this website. Ask Christian to set up an account for you with a certain username and password combination, that's it.
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Posted by Framiga on 18-Mar-2004 09:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (samface):
thanks sam for the reply but i've already contacted kemp, without an answer from him.

cheeds
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Posted by samface on 18-Mar-2004 09:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (T_Bone):
The first version of AmigaOS was released in 1985, I seriously doubt they started working on the AmigaOS in 1965. The latest release of AmigaOS was AmigaOS3.9 and it was released in 1999, which means that they would have started working on it in 1979, 6 years before they released the first version of AmigaOS. I'm sorry, but it simply doesn't add up no matter how you look at it.

A better comparison would be between AROS and AmigaOS3.1 since this is what AROS was originally set out to achieve compatibility with. AmigaOS3.1 was released in 1994. Counting from the first AmigaOS release (1985), it took Commodore 9 years to complete AmigaOS3.1. The AROS project was started in 1995, which is 9 years ago, but has still not achieved a complete workbench clone, AFAIK.
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Posted by Don Cox on 18-Mar-2004 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (Framiga):
Christian is probably at work and busy. Give him a bit of time to answer your mail.

"Trusted user" was brought in to stop people posting under other people's names.
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Posted by Framiga on 18-Mar-2004 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Don Cox):
Hi don

i wrote him 2 weeks ago. I'll try again

Thanks
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Mar-2004 14:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Atheist2):
> Since AROS doesn't work yet,

It doesn't?
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Mar-2004 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (samface):
> Well, it's not that obvious if you ask me. I mean, on one hand AROS has
> contributed source code to the development of certain AmigaOS versions, while on
> the other hand AROS is an AmigaOS alternative that will be competing for the
> AmigaOS users and software developers in the future.

Who cares? When I say "AmigaOS" I don't talk about the specific AmigaOS product sold by Hyperion, I talk about the API and the general way it works.

> Anti-AmigaOS or not, I'm
> really not sure. Hopefully, both will be able to co-exist and benefit from
> each other like they have been in the past and like they do today, but who
> knows what the future will unfold?

To be honest, I don't really care what the future holds for AmigaOS or MOS, I just have fun working on AROS, and that's all I care about.
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Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 18-Mar-2004 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (samface):
> but has still not achieved a complete workbench clone, AFAIK.

True, but you don't think that a Workbench clone would make up the majority of the code in AROS, do you? It's an almost trivial job, and probably that's why no one has taken upon it seriously until now, since there were more important tasks to get done.

You might see nice improvements in the next few weeks, though, and it won't just be a WB clone.
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Posted by Coupons and T-shirts on 18-Mar-2004 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Targhan):
Drop the censorship.

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1670&forum=3
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Posted by Coupons and T-shirts on 18-Mar-2004 14:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Coupons and T-shirts):
More censorship at MorphZone

"Re: Read the files deliverd to court by Bill McEwen? + KMOS inc.

You have my vote for complete ignorance of the subject on Morphzone and modding of posts that try to raise the discussion."

Targhan your a disgrace.
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Posted by hooligan/dcs on 18-Mar-2004 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Coupons and T-shirts):
What the hell are you talking about? None of us have edited/removed anything. It's all there. Loose the coffee will you?
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Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 18-Mar-2004 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (boinger):
I doubt that Admiral Ackbar is even aware of Allah. lol
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Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Fabio Alemagna):
> To be honest, I don't really care what the future holds for AmigaOS or MOS, I
> just have fun working on AROS, and that's all I care about.

Okay, I'll recant what I said about you before! Sorry.
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Posted by Targhan on 18-Mar-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Coupons and T-shirts):
@Coupons and Tshirts

Wow, waaaay out of context there. Particularly since you're quoting the WRONG PERSON! In fact, I suggested quite the opposite. Further, as Hooligan/DCS stated, we didn't actually moderate a thing! If I'm a shame for being open and public about whatever moderating policies we have-then so be it.
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Posted by 3seas on 19-Mar-2004 02:32 GMT
Consumer choice requires the existance of either/or products/services.

based on what is actually available to the general public in the way of products, services (including warranty issues...)...

being an Amiga owner since 1986..... and all that I have been thru regarding not only amiga computers, but computers in general....

my trust in software is well supportive of FOSS (Free Open Source Software) amd hardware trust is found in cheap working and easy to replace hardware.

Why? simply because the computer industry has proven to me that it is not capable in general of being honest enough to maintain my trust in it to spend money on what amounts to, in reality expressed in experience, maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

But for sure, if there is no product or service generally available and reasonable supported and naturally (a matter of numbers of in use) secure...

Then in fact it is not even on the list of possible consideration.

The question of "who is KMOS?" is not even a consideration and won't be untill the reality of availability of product/service, support/secureness gives cause to ask the question.

And quite directly.... I don't have any reason to believe that is going to happen .... nor do I think anyone can provide such viable, verifiable reason that can replace actualy product/service, support/secureness...
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Posted by Bazzler on 22-Mar-2004 15:12 GMT
This thread is great.
I wish someone would make a lord of the rings style epic movie from the whole amiga debacle ~ eg from its height of power to its fall from grace , to its many owners who have used and abused it through to the current amiga os / morph os debacle.

But how would the story end.......?What would be the climatic finale ? Will bbrv slay amiga inc and assimilate OS 4 and amiga DE? Or will some McEwen/Fleecy sleight of hand pull the rug out from under the competitors and creditors and emerge victorious? Will AROS stand over the bloodied corpses of the red/blue camp champions, both broken from the efforts of their nemesis and claim the throne (Remember, the meek will inherit the earth....)

I leave it to you good people to finish the story......and keep me entertained as i sit comfortably in my mountain retreat in the realm of Apple Mac.
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