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ORDER granting in part and denying in part 49 Plaintiff's Motion to Modify Order re 47 Court's Order Granting Specific Performance, by Judge Robert S. Lasnik.(AF, ) (Entered: 03/17/2004) ORDER granting in part and denying in part 49 Plaintiff's Motion to Modify Order re 47 Court's Order Granting Specific Performance, by Judge Robert S. Lasnik.(AF, ) (Entered: 03/17/2004)<

Get it HERE

Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 1 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 03:13 GMT
Actually, get it here I believe - not that Rich lets me look, so I'm mumble grumble grizzle...

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 2 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 03:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Gregg):
Actually, get it here I believe - not that Rich lets me look, so I'm mumble grumble grizzle...

Gregg
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It's been corrected - so you should have access.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 3 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2004 03:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Rich Woods):
Well that about nails Mr.Bucks chances of ever getting hold of AmigaOS.

Good good, all is well in Amigaland then.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 4 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 18-Mar-2004 04:19 GMT
To save a trip across the Net, here is the essence of it, quoted from the PDF file Rich posted:

"To the extent plaintiffs seek modification of the February 19, 2004, Order to include a list of the related items to which plaintiffs must be given access, the motion is GRANTED. To the extent plaintiffs are attempting to rewrite the License Agreement to cover operating systems other than Amiga's DE Operating System, the motion is DENIED.

"For all of the foregoing reasons, page 2, lines 8-12 of the Court's Order of February 19, 2004, is hereby amended as follows:

[cited paragraph]Plaintiffs are entitled to specific performance as requested in the complaint, 'i.e., integration of Amiga's DE Operating System into Thendic's Pegasos and/or other products in question.' Complaint at 2. Defendant shall, within thirty days of the date of this Order, grant plaintiffs rights and possession of the DE Operating System, along with the 'Enhancements,' 'Updates,' 'Upgrades,' and 'Documentation' that are related to that system, for integration into Pegasos.[end cited paragraph]"

So it looks like the next order of business for Amiga, Inc., now apparently relieved of the AmigaOS distraction by selling it to Itec/KMOS, is to get AmigaDE running on a Pegasos. The order is dated March 12, so apparently the responses filed by Amiga and friends on March 15 weren't a factor in the judge's decision.

-- gary_c
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 5 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 04:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (gary_c):
Excellent synopsis and elucidation.

Especially on the 3/12 date signed by Lasnik and the 3/15 date of Amiga's pleadings.

Funny - NONE of Amigaa's declarations were notorized. I have had judges in municipal court not allow statements (as opposed to affadavits) because they were not notorized. (Learned my lesson).

Notorized statements have the same effect as sworn courtroom testimony.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 6 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by James Carroll on 18-Mar-2004 04:54 GMT
So DE will have to be ported to the Pegasos now.. does this mean Amiga Inc have to turn over the source code and let Genesi to the port, or does Amiga Inc have to do it? If AI have to, this could be a good excuse to get an AmigaOS port done at the same time. Try and code as close to the OS 3.x API as possible, then when the MOS port is done they can do an AmigaOS version with minimal effort..
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 7 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 18-Mar-2004 06:08 GMT
Bet Fleecy will do the port by himself. BBRV, send the man a Peggie.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 8 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Mar-2004 06:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (James Carroll):
"So DE will have to be ported to the Pegasos now.. does this mean Amiga Inc have to turn over the source code and let Genesi to the port, or does Amiga Inc have to do it?"

IMO Amiga Inc have to give Genesi compiled versions of all the DE libraries they have written, such as Ami2D, with full documentation, but not source code. Those libraries will then run on Intent as soon as Genesi persuades or pays Tao to make a version of Intent for the Pegasos.

As a sign of goodwill Amiga Inc could also include copies of some example games.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 9 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 18-Mar-2004 07:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
As a sign of goodwill Amiga Inc could also include copies of some example games.

ROTFL!!! :¬DDDD

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 10 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2004 07:47 GMT
BBRV on Moobunny, some time ago:

" What will happen next?

1. Genesi will enforce the "upgrade" clauses to AmigaOS 4.2 and beyond.
2. The Hyperion/Eyetech OS 4.0 Agreement will be declared "null and void and of no force or effect."
3. We will sublicense under the Agreement and the ruling.

We are so tired of some of the "idiots" in this community.

It is time to end all this.

R&B "


So what did really happen?

1. DENIED!!
2. No chance of getting GRANTED by any judge after this descision.
3. Not a chance in hell...


We are sooo tired of an idiot like you Billy boy bucket.
It's time to end your CEO career at Genesi once and for all.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 11 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 18-Mar-2004 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Anonymous):
Sometimes it's best not go guess the outcome of a courtcase, and this is what Genesi learned the hard way. Lesson tought.

About this continuing of the case.. was thinking. Which one is worse.. Genesi providing Cheesegrates bullshit email which turned out to be a hoax, or McEwen lying in front of court? A lot of people think that email as the mainpoint why AI lost. But how much that email actually weighted when judge made the decision?

Slap on the wrist for Genesi, spanking in the ass for McEwen? :)
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 12 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 18-Mar-2004 08:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (hooligan/dcs):
"About this continuing of the case.. was thinking. Which one is worse.. Genesi providing Cheesegrates bullshit email which turned out to be a hoax, or McEwen lying in front of court? A lot of people think that email as the mainpoint why AI lost. But how much that email actually weighted when judge made the decision?"

I'm sure any judge is well used to people exaggerating their side of the case and stretching the evidence.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 13 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 18-Mar-2004 09:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
IMO Amiga Inc have to give Genesi compiled versions of all the DE libraries they have written, such as Ami2D, with full documentation, but not source code. Those libraries will then run on Intent as soon as Genesi persuades or pays Tao to make a version of Intent for the Pegasos.

As a sign of goodwill Amiga Inc could also include copies of some example games.


In a sane world, yes. However, none of the technical details of DE (notably, the licensing between AI and Tao) came out in the judgement, so the other - and more likely - option is that Genesi will continue to hammer on AI for full performance, finding flaw with anything and everything delivered, in an attempt to wear down AI's coffers while continuing to deplete their own.

(Alternatively, this once again leaves Eyetech as the only party to take direct harm from a port on Pegasos, so it's entirely possible KMOS -- and this newly 'free to profit' AI -- will deal, leaving Genesi free to look for new ways to gain the upper hand... Putting Buck in something like Jerry Sanders' old seat if both camps somehow manage to come out 'successful' ... or Dick Dastardly's, if the obsession with gentlemen's contests keeps the whole scene from pulling out of its nosedive.)
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 14 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 18-Mar-2004 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
Insert at end of first paragraph: Until the judge catches on and delivers another smackdown (or wrist-slap), of course.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 15 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Mar-2004 13:31 GMT
Popcorn sales just collapsed.

Who wants mine?
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 16 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 18-Mar-2004 13:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Gregg):
Why does Rich post this stuff, the second link gave in oen of the first comments is forbidden like all the other times I've tried following Rich's links... is it just me and some stupid WindowsXP thing, and if so how do I fix it??
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 17 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Sir Lancelot Du Lac on 18-Mar-2004 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
> IMO Amiga Inc have to give Genesi compiled versions of all the
> DE libraries they have written, such as Ami2D, with full
> documentation, but not source code. Those libraries will then run
> on Intent as soon as Genesi persuades or pays Tao to make a version
> of Intent for the Pegasos.

I agree, I always thought the case was ridiculous based on the fact that Amiga DE is nothing without Intent. So Genesi get the DE woopidee doo, you have a bunch of libraries that do nothing unless you get Intent ported, I sure hope Genesi has not pissed off TAO or DE might never work on their systems.

> As a sign of goodwill Amiga Inc could also include copies of some
> example games.

As an even better sign of goodwill, Amiga could convince TAO to do a port to a version PPC Linux that runs on Pegasos and all would be well. Since Intent already runs on x86 Linux, the port should not be that difficult or time consuming. Since the ruling only specifies Pegasos and does not specify MorphOS, this should satisfy the Judges ruling with the least amount of work. Considering BBRV has stated numerous times that MorphOS is NOT the OS of the Pegasos, just an OS that comes with it and has stated the Pegasos is about many Operating Systems running on the box, it would not be out of line to simply port Intent to PPC Linux to satisfy the ruling.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 18 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Spitballz on 18-Mar-2004 14:01 GMT
Something about judges I really like: they cut through the bullshit.

So now Amiga Inc. has to provide Genesi with all the software and documentation necessary to get DE running on Pegasos.

Question:

Let's pretend Amiga Inc. and their DE are successful endeavors (I said PRETEND!) and Genesi were a regular business partner. They have this deal to put DE on Pegasos. Would Genesi provide Amiga a Pegasos board and let the Amiga developers have at it, or would Amiga give them the software and consult them on the port?

It seems to me that Amiga Inc. has never really been in a position to determine what hardware DE can use. New hardware ports of intent would require Tao's involvement. How can Amiga provide the tools necessary to port DE to the Pegasos hardware (and running on what OS? Linux? or "native", which I don't think intent can do on a desktop device) when that would require Tao, who are not named as defendants?

Unless bbrv drops the matter of getting DE on Pegasos, which he probably won't, he'll most likely say that he needs Tao's source.

Will the judge have to resolve that issue, or will Amiga just have to provide what they made themselves (which wouldn't be enough to get DE running on Pegasos), or will Genesi have to pay Tao anyway just to port intent to the Pegasos hardware?

I think what happens next is Amiga will send bbrv a UPS of CD-burns and stacks of photocopied notes and any manuals they still have onhand. I'm sure Rich got some of it at auction. Hey Rich, how do I port DE to Pegasos? I think it's written on a stack of napkins Billy kept by his desk for when he was feeling frisky. Let me know. The future of computing is hinged on the outcome. Anyhoo, enough being silly. Amiga sends a bundle of disks and papers, bbrv goes back to judge saying that it's not enough to port DE to Pegasos, then Amiga restates they don't have right to distribute intent, and Judge L. makes the big Final Decision that should bring this exciting chapter of the Amiga saga to a close.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 19 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 18-Mar-2004 14:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (James Carroll):
Note: There was no requirement anywhere for Amiga to do a MOS version of AmigaDE. It is only about a version which runs on the Pegasos. This could
be a LinuxPPC version as well (hmmm, I wonder if a Windows version running
under Bochs would qualify, but I guess that would stretch it a bit too far :) )

Steffen
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 20 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 18-Mar-2004 14:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (hooligan/dcs):
Pictures?
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 21 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by MarkTime on 18-Mar-2004 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Spitballz):
I agree that Judge Lasnik got this one right. However, oftentimes judges are moron's...but in this case Judge Lasnik did a good job of 'representing'

I think AmigaDE and AmigaOS4 are clearly two distinct products. It's true that the two products were supposed to merge someday in the future, and they won't now...but thats a different issue. Amiga OS 4 is not AmigadE
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 22 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 14:22 GMT
Let's not forget that the judge has to consider the latest Amiga Inc court submissions.

The ones that have the entire contract in. That shows that whilst Thendic can claim under 5.2, part (ii) for the source code to the product (limited by Amiga Inc's contract with Tao), this can only occur if Thendic had supplied Amiga Inc with the hardware and specifications of the hardware to do a port (5.1).

As some of the other submissions by Amiga Inc show that no hardware or specifications were delivered, and furthermore that the claims that bbrv made to having attempted to deliver these products were untrue, and also that Amiga Inc couldn't even contact Thendic by mail as they don't exist at their current address ...

... buy more popcorn!

Regardless, Amiga Inc. could create a port of AmigaDE to PowerPC Linux (I'm sure that Tao must have a PowerPC port in progress, especially as Amiga Inc were talking about it running on AmigaOS4.2) and that would fulfil the contract. If Genesi can be assumed to meet the definition of "Thendic" as defined in the contract.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 23 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 18-Mar-2004 14:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Steffen Haeuser):
"Note: There was no requirement anywhere for Amiga to do a MOS version of AmigaDE. It is only about a version which runs on the Pegasos. This could
be a LinuxPPC version as well (hmmm, I wonder if a Windows version running
under Bochs would qualify, but I guess that would stretch it a bit too far :) )

Steffen"

Shouldnt it run "anywhere" ? Provided Intent is already ported..
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 24 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Coupons and T-shirts on 18-Mar-2004 14:27 GMT
Well done Genesi.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 25 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Bill Toner):
Rich blocks IP addresses of people he doesn't like.

Unfortunately, he uses a pretty blunt instrument for this (Class C-level blocking I suspect), so if you happen to share an ISP with someone who has pissed Rich off, you're out of luck.

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 26 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by hnl_dk on 18-Mar-2004 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Steffen Haeuser):
And IIRC may they only use the AmigaDE related trademarks for the Pegasos, if AmigaDE is on it ... So if it is going to be the Linux version, do they need to have Linux installed to be able to use the trademarks ...
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 27 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 14:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Gregg):
What a prissy baby.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 28 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 14:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Gregg):
Posted by Gregg (192.223.243.6) on 18-Mar-2004 15:27:58

In Reply to Comment 16 (Bill Toner):
Rich blocks IP addresses of people he doesn't like.

Don't like or REALLY piss me off? Big difference.


Unfortunately, he uses a pretty blunt instrument for this (Class C-level blocking I suspect), so if you happen to share an ISP with someone who has pissed Rich off, you're out of luck.

Gregg
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Or send me an e-mail - let me know your IP address and I can take care of it.

Gregg - you have mail - opps - you have access using your listed IP address.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 29 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by iam on 18-Mar-2004 14:41 GMT
hehe, great news, amigaDE for pegasos must be made in 30 days and genesi will pay amiga inc. for each copy of the software. hope genesi have the money... seems amiga inc. and amigaDE developers will start to make real bucks with this deal. grrrreat.
:)
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 30 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (iam):
hehe, great news, amigaDE for pegasos must be made in 30 days and genesi will pay amiga inc. for each copy of the software. hope genesi have the money... seems amiga inc. and amigaDE developers will start to make real bucks with this deal. grrrreat.
:)
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And that was the whole point of the contract and lawsuit.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 31 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 14:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Graham_nli):
What a prissy baby.

Seems reasonable to me; he's put time and money into that site - why should other people benefit from that while insulting him?

Maybe you'd be more generous than him in the same situation, but given your personality as exhibited in your Web postings, I doubt it.

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 32 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 18-Mar-2004 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Gregg):
Bummer. At home I have Comcast, which has a LOT of users. Not sure how things resolve at work, but it's a rather big company. I'm not sure what I might have done myself to get on anyone's bad side... Guess I'll have to wait for the other guy to post the same thing, I'm curious to see what Buck supposedly filed today... (knockout punch level of excitement and all...)
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 33 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Gregg):
Would that be my personality of trying to find out what the truth of matters is?

I called him prissy for blocking entire netblocks, not just the person he doesn't want to benefit.

If he is really guarded of his creations maybe he could put them in a password protected area.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 34 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Mar-2004 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Rich Woods):
I still don't understand, if that is what Genesi wanted then why didn't they just pay AmigaInc ? If the result is exactly the same: there will be AmigaDE for the Pegasos and Genesi will pay Amigainc, then why did you need lawsuit? Why you guys have to make everything as difficult as possible ? :)
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 35 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Mar-2004 15:49 GMT
Latest AmigaDE versions have so far been available only to WindowsCE platforms (and perhaps in some x86 SDK).

Now Amiga Inc needs to bring Linux version of the content player up-to-date and then integrate the PPC core of the intent & adapt the rest for the big endian linux host.

Also, when LinuxPPC version is ready for peg, then it is only a small job to bring it to A1 (DMA disabled, perhaps).
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 36 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 15:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Graham_nli):
Would that be my personality of trying to find out what the truth of matters is?

You know, it's a terrible cliché, but I think it fits nicely here :

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 37 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Gregg):
I don't think that either side is being that truthful to be honest.

I have personal opinions as to who is more truthful, who is more reliable to produce stuff, etc (the answers aren't the same!).

The court case documents now submitted are quite useful. At the very least there is an example of a badly designed contract!
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 38 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Graham_nli):
I have personal opinions as to who is more truthful, who is more reliable to produce stuff, etc (the answers aren't the same!).

A word of advice : personal opinions are rarely helpful in establishing "truth". You might have to come to terms with this concept if you are called up for jury service and expect to do your duty.

Funnily enough, here's another Strange Coincidence for you :

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1079417340&category=news&number=109#comment

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 39 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Crumbs on 18-Mar-2004 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (priest):
Also, remember the Linux requirements. From Amiga Anywhere's site:

"IMPORTANT NOTE: The AmigaDE Player for Linux is supported only on Red Hat Linux 6.2 and Debian Linux 2.2 (potato) distributions. Later versions of Red Hat Linux (7.x)and other Linux distributions are NOT currently supported."

But just because it works on 2 (old) distros for x86, doesn't mean it's a cakewalk to get it to work on a LinuxPPC distro. Unless Tao was making a PPC port of intent for some other partner, chances are one doesn't exist. Amiga, I'm guessing, had neither the money or the inclination to worry about DE for PPC, when they were already struggling to get the Zaurus, WinCE or phone products off the ground. With limited resources, lower priorities get the boot.

So, I think the result is amiga can't give Genesi what it doesn't own, but if the judge isn't satisfied with that, what can he do other than penalize Amiga, which they wouldn't be able to pay anyway?
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 40 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Bill Toner):
Posted by Bill Toner (38.119.208.42) on 18-Mar-2004 15:55:16

In Reply to Comment 25 (Gregg):
Bummer. At home I have Comcast, which has a LOT of users. Not sure how things resolve at work, but it's a rather big company. I'm not sure what I might have done myself to get on anyone's bad side... Guess I'll have to wait for the other guy to post the same thing, I'm curious to see what Buck supposedly filed today... (knockout punch level of excitement and all...)
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You've got access with your listed IP.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 41 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Graham_nli):
Posted by Graham_nli (81.96.74.103) on 18-Mar-2004 16:12:08

In Reply to Comment 31 (Gregg):
Would that be my personality of trying to find out what the truth of matters is?

I called him prissy for blocking entire netblocks, not just the person he doesn't want to benefit.

If he is really guarded of his creations maybe he could put them in a password protected area.
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That was done a year ago when the case just started. Only allowed those access who sent a valid e-mail address and a postal mailing address.

That was when things were just hitting the fan.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 42 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
In Reply to Comment 30 (Rich Woods):
I still don't understand, if that is what Genesi wanted then why didn't they just pay AmigaInc ? If the result is exactly the same: there will be AmigaDE for the Pegasos and Genesi will pay Amigainc, then why did you need lawsuit? Why you guys have to make everything as difficult as possible ? :)
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Point is Genesi WANTED to pay Amiga $4.50 per unit - Amiga balked. You don't understand - strange as it may sound - Amaiga WANTED to make NO money.

Based upon people with business ideas and propositions to Amiga and the fact AMiga did virtually NOTHING to generate income.

They wanted to blow off the VC money and then attempt to get even more.
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 43 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Gregg):
In Reply to Comment 33 (Graham_nli):
Would that be my personality of trying to find out what the truth of matters is?

You know, it's a terrible cliché, but I think it fits nicely here :

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Gregg
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GET IT HERE
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 44 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Rich Woods):
n Reply to Comment 36 (Gregg):
In Reply to Comment 33 (Graham_nli):
Would that be my personality of trying to find out what the truth of matters is?

You know, it's a terrible cliché, but I think it fits nicely here :

"You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"

Gregg
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GET IT HERE
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Again this ann thing inserted into a URL that wasn't by me...

GET IT HERE
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 45 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Rich Woods):
I don't know what is going on but ANN appears to insert ann.lu in a URL

The "You can handle the truth" wav file is at

http://www.merlancia.us/sounds/truth.wav
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 46 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Gregg on 18-Mar-2004 16:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Rich Woods):
That was done a year ago when the case just started. Only allowed those access who sent a valid e-mail address and a postal mailing address

As I recall, the password was then disseminated to one or more /persona non grata/, hence the IP-blocking.

Who'd a thunk people would behave so badly, eh?

See, graham_nli, every solution is really just a problem in disguise...

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 47 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Crumbs on 18-Mar-2004 16:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Crumbs):
Replying to own message, as I've read bbrv's comments on MorphZone. I now understand what bbrv's goal is:

From bbrv's message:

"It is fair to say that bplan were the ones that came up with the Zico spec before the show in Australia in 2000, but they never get credit for that either. No problem these things happen sometimes and we decided to take our own direction, but later, when you had Bill McEwen ranting about MorphOS being illegal, etc., etc. We felt like we did what we had to do to end the ranting and bogus public statements.

In the meanwhile, we had a number of conversations with Francis Charig (then and now). We will have an Intent ADK for the Pegasos. It won't be called AmigaDE. It will be called Tao's Intent."
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 48 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Rich Woods on 18-Mar-2004 16:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Gregg):
n Reply to Comment 41 (Rich Woods):
That was done a year ago when the case just started. Only allowed those access who sent a valid e-mail address and a postal mailing address

As I recall, the password was then disseminated to one or more /persona non grata/, hence the IP-blocking.
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Actually sammyface had access and then accused me of "altering" files - then played his sammyface logic that he never said the files were altered and his word games.

I cut his access after him having acess for MANY months.

you don't pull the lion's whiskers when you are in the lion's den!
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Who'd a thunk people would behave so badly, eh?

See, graham_nli, every solution is really just a problem in disguise...

Gregg
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 49 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Graham_nli on 18-Mar-2004 16:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Gregg):
Answered.

What's your problem anyway?
Order on Plantiff's Motion in Thendic Amiga Case : Comment 50 of 81ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 18-Mar-2004 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Rich Woods):
> You've got access with your listed IP.

Thanks Rich!
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