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Posted on 02-Jun-2004 18:57 GMT by Raffaele222 comments
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Professor Fulvio Peruggi illustrious member of Amiga community here in Naples, Italy, wrote a huuuuge review on his new "little monster" Pegasos II G4 machine, regarding what means amiga philosophy, usage of Pegasos, compatibility of programs, productivity, multimedia, office applications, Mac emulation and much, much more. You can find it here (A very omnicomprensive review). News taken from morphozone.org. Also, you can add comments and suggestions regarding this review on the morphzone site.

More... The entire review will be available into italian language also (these are very good news) next week on Miky'060 site: www.pegasos-italia.com.

Enjoy it.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 1 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 02-Jun-2004 17:40 GMT
It's... comprehensive :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 2 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 02-Jun-2004 18:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (hooligan/dcs):
Mr. Hoolgian/Dcs wrote:

>It's... comprehensive :)

Just skip my typo and be productive saying something interesting about the review.

Tell us if you like it... ;-)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 3 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 02-Jun-2004 18:13 GMT
Excellent, thorough review. Everyone should read it, especially those who are hostile to the Pegasos.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 4 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 02-Jun-2004 18:16 GMT
It is amazing review, and I like it :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 5 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by oGALAXYo on 02-Jun-2004 18:18 GMT
Yeah great review. Pegasos roxx!
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 6 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 02-Jun-2004 18:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Raffaele):
I feel offended by the patronizing comments about us that do not invent philosophical rules of living out of the Amiga product label and defines the term out of a purely objective point of view. If anything would be putting some form of "sacred" value into the brand, then it is the idea that the Amiga would be something else or more than just a label for a specific computer product line or spanish for a female friend.

But don't worry, I won't break anyone's door in over it. I'm merely suggesting that perhaps this "review" could be less offensive and remain focused on the Pegasos and MorphOS instead. People from outside this community won't understand much of the "Amiga-like-ness" ramblings anyway and I think it would better if the author would let the Pegasos and MorphOS stand on it's own two legs for a change.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 7 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 19:10 GMT
Interesting review. MorphOS probably could be a good system if it got out from underneath the stink that is Bill Buck.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 8 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 02-Jun-2004 19:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sammy Nordström):
You didnt read very far did you ?
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 9 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 02-Jun-2004 19:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Leif):
If you had, you would have seen that it is indeed "focusing on Pegasos/MorphOS"
and the small details you got hung up on, was just that small details
and not some kind of conspiration to mind-control all the readers into
buying PEG/MOS and burning their AONES :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 10 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 19:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Leif):
I think maybe his point is more that you cannot read a review of MorphOS with it being compared/called 'Amiga' or 'Amiga Like'.

I understand it can run old Amiga OS 3.9 apps, but my Amiga setup can run old 68k Mac Apps and you don't see every review of Amiga OS being called 'Amiga Like'.

I think what Sammy means is that it might be nice to at some point see MorphOS reviews praising MorphOS for being 'MorphOS Like' and not 'Linux, Mac, Amiga or whatever like'. It would be nice if it could one day not be in the shadow of Amiga OS and just be it's own unique self.

It sort of like gowing up always being called so and so's little brother. At some point you don't want to be known as someones little brother, but be known for who and what you are. Make sense? Of course, everything I write makes sense! :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 11 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 19:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima):
>> I understand it can run old Amiga OS 3.9 apps, but my Amiga setup can run old 68k Mac Apps and you don't see every review of Amiga OS being called 'Amiga Like'.


That last part should have been 'Mac Like' to make the sentence more clear.. Ooops..... yep, everything I write makes sense... :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 12 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 02-Jun-2004 19:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Agima):
hehehe...and you were doing so well up to that point. :)

coldfire
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 13 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 02-Jun-2004 20:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sammy Nordström):
> I feel offended by the patronizing comments about us that do not invent
> philosophical rules of living out of the Amiga product label and defines the
> term out of a purely objective point of view. If anything would be putting some
> form of "sacred" value into the brand, then it is the idea that the Amiga would
> be something else or more than just a label for a specific computer product line
> or spanish for a female friend.

Sammy sammy, in your race for objectivity you always fail to realize that whilst it makes sense, it's objectively understandable becoming attached to ways of doing and ways of living things, it's objectively stupid to be attached to a name, whatever that name is referred to.

You see, the former is the way every sane person behaves: it's pretty normal to have habits and recognize common patterns in tbings (this so called "phylosophy" you so much hate talking about). However, it's not as normal being tied to a name which you yourself define "just a name" of a brand or a spanish word.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 14 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 02-Jun-2004 20:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Sammy Nordström):
1) It doesn't matter that you were offended, he just stated his opinion.
2) I can bet that you would be offended with a MUCH lighter wording, so...
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 15 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Blom on 02-Jun-2004 20:21 GMT
Hey, nice review!!

Saint Martin
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 16 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 02-Jun-2004 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima):
I think maybe his point is more that you cannot read a review of MorphOS with it being compared/called 'Amiga' or 'Amiga Like'.
->--
Well, ofcource, its pretty well known by us, where it originates and
what kind of people are building it up: amiga people. Pherhaps less
known by those who left in the nineties.
->--
I understand it can run old Amiga OS 3.9 apps, but my Amiga setup can run old 68k Mac Apps and you don't see every review of Amiga OS being called 'Amiga Like'.
->--
Your spelling aside, I think you actually try hard to not understand here.
Or did you enter the arena yesterday ?
->--
I think what Sammy means is that it might be nice to at some point see MorphOS reviews praising MorphOS for being 'MorphOS Like' and not 'Linux, Mac, Amiga or whatever like'. It would be nice if it could one day not be in the shadow of Amiga OS and just be it's own unique self.
->--
Now hows that possible, when its written by amiga people, compatible with amiga API, developed for by amiga people, used by amiga people.
But sure.. why dont you say
"it would be nice if AmigaOS4 would stand on its own two legs,
and not living in the shadow of AmigaOS3.0".
->--
It sort of like gowing up always being called so and so's little brother. At some point you don't want to be known as someones little brother, but be known for who and what you are. Make sense? Of course, everything I write makes sense! :)
->--
I dont get your brother talk, but I do know that AmigaOS3.x is the Mother :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 17 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Leif):
>> I dont get your brother talk, but I do know that AmigaOS3.x is the Mother :)

It can't be the mother unless stolen AmigaOS3.x source was used. :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 18 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 02-Jun-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Agima):
And there you go again....sigh!
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 19 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 02-Jun-2004 20:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Agima):
Does "mother in law" sound good enough for you? :-)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 20 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by el xispo on 02-Jun-2004 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima):

I think what Sammy means is that it might be nice to at some point see MorphOS reviews praising MorphOS for being 'MorphOS Like' and not 'Linux, Mac, Amiga or whatever like'. It would be nice if it could one day not be in the shadow of Amiga OS and just be it's own unique self.


No no no, ... I can't agree less with that statement. I think it evades from
reality and reveals this senseless hatred towards MorphOS that self-describing
Amiga supporters have invented. MorphOS was conceived, designed and programmed
as the true continuation of AmigaOS. Back then there was no prospect of AmigaOS4
or things like that. MorphOS was then praised by everyone for becoming the
brave new alternative ... until AmigaOS4 entered the scene. The process that
some people experimented from puting their hopes on MorphOS to hating it
to death was so surprising and fast that I really questioned myself wether
the proverbial Amiga-user independent mindset really existed or not.

It never was there for some people, as I see now. BUT, at the same time, I
see everyday the SAME NAMES posting the SAME nonsense day after day, and I
counted quite few of them compared with those who ever used an Amiga. I
hope these few people make a final meditation and get to the same conclusion
as I : "This attitude will bring you nowhere".
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 21 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 20:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Fabio Alemagna):
Bastard step child might be more appropriate name for MorphOS, but I'm guessing people here wouldn't like that ;-)

(Just a little joke) :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 22 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 02-Jun-2004 20:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Agima):
...or like the child that was given away at birth, up for adoption if you will (But a bastard non-the less!) ;-)

Nope...I like your description! :-D

Without MorphOS there would be no Amiga OS4...Without AmigaOS...there would be no MorphOS...do you see now why the comparisons are unavoidable and that competition is good?

Steve
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 23 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 20:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (el xispo):
What you say may be true...

The fact is there is an Amiga OS 4 now. Trying to dilude yourself and other's that MorphOS is the 'Real' AmigaOS4 is probably not going to help the future of MorphOS as it's own alternative OS. The fact is however
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 24 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 02-Jun-2004 20:52 GMT
Regarding standing on own feet: When is [b]that MorphOS clone from Hyperion[/b] calle AOS4 going to be released anyway?... ; }

OK. Now that the above has been said, just realize that it is not to be taken TOO seriously... But it hopefully illustrates that MorphOS made its way toward supporting Amiga APIs and legacy FIRST - when it was very possible that it would either (a) become the official path for legacy Amiga apps running on PPC, or (b) the ONLY path for legacy Amiga apps running on PPC, with no other contenders around.

In spite of not experiencing the Kiss Of The Boing Balls (yech!) it was around FIRST; was being planned and coded FIRST; its crew having decided to do something that featured Amiga API on PPC... FIRST.

But having to battle an entire "community" for legitimacy for years has taken its toll on people from both sides. That is evident when reading the posts of so many people here on ANN, who just seem to have problems acting decently. It's like a war where some people on both sides seem to enjoy committing atrocities while others look on. Maybe they weren't ever very nice people to start with though.

Can't blame that on MorphOS or the Pegasos though...
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 25 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 20:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Agima):
Opps messed up again :)

Anyway as I was saying:

The fact is that however much better MorphOS is and the fact that it was seen by some people at the time to be the succesor of Amiga OS 4, it is not Amiga OS 4.


It's MorphOS... Love it and accept it.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 26 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2004 21:00 GMT
I see MorphOS and Pegasos as the only true futre for Amiga. For me Pegasos is everything I liked to see Amiga to become after 199x and MorphOS is exactly the OS that I liked AmigaOS to become after 199x. For me Pegasos and MorphOS are the only real solution that deserves to be called Amiga.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 27 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 21:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (greenboy):
" In spite of not experiencing the Kiss Of The Boing Balls (yech!) it was around FIRST; was being planned and coded FIRST; its crew having decided to do something that featured Amiga API on PPC... FIRST."


Anyone can make an OS. Because it is first doesn't make it Amiga OS.


"But having to battle an entire "community" for legitimacy for years has taken its toll on people from both sides."

That's because you can't just choose (or force) to make MorphOS the "legitiment" successor to Amiga OS. I don't have the right, Bill Buck does not have the right, you don't have the right to choose the path (as much as we all may like too) of Amiga OS. It's not ours.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 28 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 21:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (JKD):
>>.do you see now why the comparisons are unavoidable and that competition is good?


Competition is good yes. But if Microsoft went out and coded an OS built on the 'Likeness of a Mac" and then went around saying "it is a MAC" and putting the MAC logo all over their web site I'm guessing MAC user wouldn't be very happy. Then when MAC OS X 10.7 came out from Apple and Microsoft then started saying, "Hey our OS was here before MAC OS X 10.7 so we're as legitimate as Apple is!" well that is just plain stupidity.


It could have a cool name though:

Microsft Windows MAC Bastard Edition :)
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 29 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 02-Jun-2004 21:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
It was lost and became the intellectual property of its users and developers.
They are the ones who wili choose now.
Or do you disagree ?
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 30 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 02-Jun-2004 21:08 GMT
The Pegasos is a good Amiga platform. Very nice review. A bit long but necessary.

Any news on the speed bumped Peggies?
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 31 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 21:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
>>I see MorphOS and Pegasos as the only true futre for Amiga.

Great, but you don't get to choose the future of Amiga. You can switch to a "Different" OS, that's fine. In 199x I started using Windows, it doesn't mean it's the succesor to Amiga, even though it was for me in that case.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 32 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Agima on 02-Jun-2004 21:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Leif):
I disaggree because that is not true. The IP is not lost, infact it is intact and even Bill Buck tried to sue the ligitimet owners in order to get rights to it.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 33 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-Jun-2004 21:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Agima):
> > I see MorphOS and Pegasos as the only true future for Amiga.
> Great, but you don't get to choose the future of Amiga.

And you don't either. The users and developers did and if you would have paid carefull attention then you would have realized that most (that's the majority) of professional remaining developers have decided for MorphOS. We have the people who brought standards such as CyberGfx, MUI, 3d stuff to the Amiga architecture. They now continue working on their petprojects on MorphOS and improve them for these architectures. Most of the intellectual property invented after Commodore went bancrupt are owned by those people working on and for MorphOS these days. What remains for AmigaOS4 is just the rest.

As you can see people are not brand driven and there is also no need to convince the hell out of them. These people have simply made a decision and are happy contributors to the NEW Amiga community. Let's call it THE FUTURE for now.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 34 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 02-Jun-2004 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
Agima: Anyone can make an OS.

Yeah, right ; }


Because it is first doesn't make it Amiga OS.

And your point is? Most of us with Pegasos could care less about the OFFICIAL thing anyway. We saw what happened with the official name. We saw who bought it and what they did(n't) do with it. We are happy to have legacy Amiga-compatible APIs... hoping to see them further extended is icing on the cake.


That's because you can't just choose (or force) to make MorphOS the "legitiment" successor to Amiga OS.

Official, schmo-ficial. That's SUPERficial. I'm certainly not hung up on having the sticker of approval. MorphOS is a working OS NOW, has been for some time; allows many of us to leverage our Amiga experience and out Amiga software. The rest is just a load of crappy history for some decade or so anyway...


I don't have the right, Bill Buck does not have the right, you don't have the right to choose the path (as much as we all may like too) of Amiga OS.

Some of you seem real hung up on something many MorphOS users could care less about. Those people just wanted to use and/or program for something AVAILABLE and somewhat familiar. some And its real tough to make a business case for caring about "the Amiga name" since there just isn't much lucre to be had under that banner for ages and ages now... And yet, with some commonality between MorphOS and AmigaOS it doesn't have to be any big deal for a developer to support both unless someone MAKES it a big deal. Which ugliness and fighting for years has almost guaranteed in the case of some, which is a loss for ALL : {


It's not ours.

That's fine. Don't need it. I think as AOS4 seems to be getting somewhat close to limited release some people have at least begun to see a glimmer of hope that they can use software on their copy of AOS4 that was actually developed on Pegasos machines and MorphOS. And if there is any justice (I wonder if there is) the reverse will also become true later on...

But for MorphOS/Pegasos developers and users I doubt the appearance of an "offical" OS makes much difference personally, because they already have been getting satisfaction and such, and will likely continue to do so.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 35 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 02-Jun-2004 21:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Agima):
I thought they already did that....? ;-)

Only difference is they used to say "It's better than a Mac..." or something...now they don't even have to mention the competition, because it barely exists in marketshare.

Your comparison is apt, since MOS is "like AmigaOS....only better." The last clearly being an opinion of course!

You forgot to mention that MOS was better in any of your posts, so I though I'd add it! :-D

Steve
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 36 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by JKD on 02-Jun-2004 21:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Agima):
"Anyone can make an OS. Because it is first doesn't make it Amiga OS."

That's just putting words into people's mouths.....someone tries to explain to you why 'Amiga like' is relevant and the irrational hatred people have for MorphOS in-spite of it's origins and it's almost legitimate (illegitimate?) next generation Amiga OS and you come up with this?

No-one says it is Amiga OS, that is merely it's (adopted if you will) heritage. It's described as 'Amiga like' to put it in the context of the projected audience.

Is that clearer?

Steve
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 37 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by mark on 02-Jun-2004 23:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Agima):
How did you set up your Amiga to do that?

It would be nice to be able to doubleclick on Mac applications and have them load up just as if they were native Amiga applications, instead of having to run them in a separate emulator, but I never knew that was possible.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 38 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 03-Jun-2004 00:39 GMT
Great article ! However I was scared by the math shots ;)
I think that Agima and Samface have been Windows user for too long and forgot what was the real essence of the AmigaOS. Instead of arguing forever (and loosing your times and ours) you should try to do a comparable review for OS4.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 39 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 03-Jun-2004 01:37 GMT
great article, thank you
never knew that deluxepaint ran on mos!
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 40 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Stephane Desrosiers on 03-Jun-2004 02:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (cheesegrate):
@cheesegrate:

Only Deluxe Paint V since it had some RTG support.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 41 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jun-2004 02:52 GMT
Now after I carefully read the review (at work ;) I can say it is very nicely done and a lot of time has been used to create it. Certainly a very helpful guide to all future Pegasos-owners.

Hopefully this guy makes a review of forthcoming MorphOS 1.5 aswell, he seems to have the talent. But please, someone give him a hand when it comes to HTML/graphics/colors ;-)

Oh, btw, some problems he had, I have never had.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 42 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Jun-2004 03:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Christophe Decanini):
This isn't about AmigaOS4 and I really wonder why AmigaOS4 even got in to the picture in the first place. Neither the topic nor anything I said has anything to do with AmigaOS4. My comment was about this "review" and this "review" alone. Why do so many Pegasos/MorphOS supporters always have to talk about the competition instead of remaining focused on their prefered choice?

I'm sorry guys, but you brought this one upon yourselves...
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 43 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jun-2004 04:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Sammy Nordström):
>Why do so many Pegasos/MorphOS supporters always have to talk about the competition instead of remaining focused on their prefered choice?

Because competition is good for both parties?
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 44 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 03-Jun-2004 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (hooligan/dcs):
> Because competition is good for both parties ?

What competition ? There is only MorphOS and Pegasos. Competition would imply that there are two similar systems from feature and capabilities. But there aren't.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 45 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Jun-2004 04:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (greenboy):
This post shows our different standpoints quite well. You don't care about intellectual properties and embrace the use of the Amiga trademark as a term for anything that complies with a certain philosophy of life rather than a specific product line, while people like me refrain from labeling the results of certain counter-productive efforts by the same term as the original effort.

Trying to force our own subjective point of views on each other is not going to work, now is it? For the sake of preventing these pointless discussions; how about sticking to purely objective terms and definitions, atleast when we're on "neutral ground" such as ANN.lu?
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 46 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Jun-2004 04:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (hooligan/dcs):
Competition is stimulating for markets, yes. However, it's nothing but destructive to compete in a market where there is no market value to compete for. We need to build up a market and a market value first, anything else is shooting pretty much like shooting yourself in the foot with the start pistol.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 47 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by Sammy Nordström on 03-Jun-2004 04:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
Well, despite it's "non-existence", it's still something that is constantly brought up by MorphOS/Pegasos supporters, even when the topic has nothing to do with it.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 48 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jun-2004 04:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Sammy Nordström):
Actually, I was speaking of competition between products and MorphOS developers/OS4 developers, not about marketshares.
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 49 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 03-Jun-2004 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Anonymous):
>What competition ? There is only MorphOS and Pegasos. Competition would imply that there are two similar systems from feature and capabilities. But there aren't.

Patience is a virtue
"From Genesi(s) to Revelation" a HUUUGE interesting Pegasos review : Comment 50 of 222ANN.lu
Posted by gary_c on 03-Jun-2004 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Sammy Nordström):
Why do so many Pegasos/MorphOS supporters always have to talk about the competition instead of remaining focused on their prefered choice?

He was only saying it'd be good to see a similar review of AOS4 when it's out. You seem to have taken the mention of AOS4 the wrong way. I don't think there's any question that the focus here is definitely on MorphOS. What a great review! :-)

-- gary_c
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