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[Events] The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in FinlandANN.lu
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Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland

TAMPERE, FINLAND - September 23st, 2004 - Why guess, listen to rumours, compare months old public releases and continue speculating online? Why not participate in a friendly duel and come see the state of the art for yourself! Finnish Amiga Users Group is pleased to demonstrate the best of the both worlds at its annual meeting this coming Saturday: AmigaOne running a new AmigaOS 4.0 beta and Pegasos II running MorphOS 1.5 beta.

Encouraged by the recent technological advances within the extended Amiga community, the Finnish Amiga Users Group is once again excited to showcase the latest progress. Colour blind since its inception, the Finnish Amiga Users Group welcomes everyone - and attendance is free as usual. The time and place to be: 14 o'clock, Saturday 25.09.2004, Opetusravintola Eetvartin Kellarikabinetti, Sumeliuksenkatu 16, Tampere, Finland.

Also attending is Finnish Amiga retailer Gentle Eye Ky. Welcome!

About Finnish Amiga Users Group

Finnish Amiga Users Group (officially Suomen Amiga-käyttäjät ry.) is a registered, non-profit organization dedicated to supporting Finnish Amiga computer users by preserving and advancing the Amiga hobby and knowledge of the Amiga computing platform in Finland. The group aims to reach its goals through volunteer efforts such as organizing events and publishing an e-zine called Saku. For more information, see http://saku.amigafin.org.

The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 51 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 06:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darth_X):
"Is the reason for the A1 costing so much is because part of the profits from sales of it are going towards OS4 development?"

R&D costs are not normally considered part of the profits.

The main reason has to be the small numbers being sold - which does give a vicious circle.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 52 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 07:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Don Cox):
Some care about price,
some do not care about price if it stand up to there requirements,

about comparing Amiga prices whit PC stop that,
start comparing them whit Macs, if you look at the
Mac prices they are really not that cheap,

I'm not concerned about the number of AmigaOS user at the moment, I think once the
product offer more connectivity and backwards compatibility, then the computer becomes
more useful for daily use ex: connecting memory sticks and photo/video/web-cams, TV-cards and other
multi-media devices in your home, the Amiga comes more useful for more folks.

It's more about what AmigaOS can offer compared whit other alternatives,
not about the amount it offer, you really only need one good paint program, one good music program, one good web browser, you don't need 100 different paint programs, quantity is not equal to quality,

I'm not disagreeing whit on the price tag, I think the CPU modules costs are bit hi, it drives the costs up,
question how needs COM1,COM2,PAR ports this days? do we realy need the onbaord disk-drive controller?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 53 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 07:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Don Cox):
"The main reason has to be the small numbers being sold - which does give a vicious circle."

Yes but not only that - there are many parties involved in the Teron/"A1" (Eyetech is only one of them) and they all want a piece of the pie.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 54 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
"about comparing Amiga prices whit PC stop that,
start comparing them whit Macs, if you look at the
Mac prices they are really not that cheap,"

OK, here we go:

Complete iMac 1.6GHz G5 system with the following specifications:

17-inch widescreen LCD
1.6GHz PowerPC G5
512K L2 cache
533MHz frontside bus
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Combo Drive

It has: Two FireWire 400 ports; three USB 2.0 ports, two USB 1.1 ports (on keyboard); VGA output; S-video and composite video output (with adapters)

Included software:
Mac OS X version 10.3 “Panther”, the world's most advanced operating system, iLife (includes iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand), AppleWorks, Quicken 2004 for Mac, World Book 2004 Edition, Nanosaur 2, Marble Blast Gold, Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive, Apple Hardware Test and more

Price? $1,299


OK, over to the A1 then (at software hut):

AmigaOne G4-XE motherboard with G4 processor
256MB [expensive & hard to find] RAM
Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM drive
52X24X52 CDRW
ATI Radeon 7000 64MB and TV Out graphics card
Sound Blaster Live audio card
2 USB 1.1 Ports
10/100 Ethernet Built In
HD Floppy drive
3-Button Mouse and Keyboard

Included software: None!

Price? $1,499

Add some $100 or so for the OS (which include some demos of some year 1990 level software etc in a contrib drawer)

The price for the A1+OS4 ends up at $300 more than the G5 Mac, and that is for a Articia based motherboard with dubious quality, No office suite, No modern Internet software, and NO 17" LCD WIDESCREEN! You were saying?

Of course the Pegasos looks kind of poor in comparison too, but at least that motherboard is a lot better than the A1 in most aspects and a lot cheaper! Also, Linux works FINE on the Pegasos!


"I'm not concerned about the number of AmigaOS user at the moment, I think once the
product offer more connectivity and backwards compatibility, then the computer becomes
more useful for daily use ex: connecting memory sticks and photo/video/web-cams, TV-cards and other
multi-media devices in your home, the Amiga comes more useful for more folks."

Sure, drivers are a must have, but those alone won't make the computer useful. Applications will, like those available for (or even included with) the Mac you wanted to compare the A1 with. There are not many applications for the OS4 that works good today, not even the old ones because of OS4's poor Amiga compatibility and emulation capabilities, and I don't see a lot of new ones coming either ...

"It's more about what AmigaOS can offer compared whit other alternatives,"

Agree. So exactly what is that?

"you really only need one good paint program"

Agree, PHOTOSHOP is all I need, and I really need it! It's available for the Mac you wanted to compare to.

"one good music program"

Disagree! The more of those the marrier! :-)

"one good web browser"

Yes, a pity there is not a single one for the OS4 ...


Look, the A1 and OS4 is only interesting to a few hundred Amiga geeks. They have already bought what they want. Do you think we have a nutricious market here? Do we see a lot of commercial office suits, web browsers, music programs etc rolling in? Do we see a lot of commercial "software houses" lined up to release their software for this "new" (hmm) "powerful" (ahem) "fair priced" (cough!) platform?

Nah, the A1/OS4 is a hobby for some very rich (and/or stupid) people who has a need to use things with boing balls on, just for the sake of it and not because of the hardware/application specifications, that's all there is to it, and I see no chance of how it possibly coud take off to become a real platform!

Or can anyone please enlighten me?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 55 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 09:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
Well,you could always port os4 to that g5imac and get rid of a
parasite such as Alan Redhouse.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 56 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Fabio Alemagna on 25-Sep-2004 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (Anonymous):
> Well,you could always port os4 to that g5imac and get rid of a
> parasite such as Alan Redhouse.

Hyperion say they can't. But won't say why.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 57 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 25-Sep-2004 09:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
question how needs COM1,COM2,PAR ports this days?
Everybody, it´s a finalized standard that works with the most obscure hardware.

do we realy need the onbaord disk-drive controller?
No, not when there are USBdiskdrives and you need a Catweasel for amiga-floppys anyway.

I don´t suspect either is a big part off the cost anyway.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 58 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 10:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Dan):
Way can't the once that need com ports just use adapters, USB to COM port adapter or PCI plug-in cards.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 59 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 25-Sep-2004 10:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Kjetil):
@ Kjetil

>> Distributed computing
> samba


Kjetil, "samba" is not about distributed computing at all!

However, BBRV once said this:
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2354&forum=9&start=16

... about this:
http://stats.distributed.net/participant/phistory.php?project_id=8&id=437432
(note that some of those stats obviously comes from more than only three Pegasos computers ...)

Maybe that statement was only some missunderstanding, or maybe I am reading too much into it, I don't know. But still, this is actually a design goal for MorphOS so it should be here some day, and it's a whole different matter than "samba" ...

;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 60 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 10:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (takemehomegrandma):
http://polarboing.com/distributed/
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 61 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by takemehomegrandma on 25-Sep-2004 10:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Kjetil):
My post wasn't really about RC5 stats (that's off topic in this thread), but:

"14. PowerPC/MorphOS 641677 3267 4288 4022 3274 Maybe later" ;-)

However, I prefer this page for looking at platform stats (for obvious reasons ;-)):
http://www.morphos-news.de/guides/rc5-72/dnet-mos-stats.php

Now to the highscores:

MorphOS daily all time high: 5,173 blocks!
OS4/PUP/WUP daily all time high: 3,635 blocks.

MorphOS total blocks this far: 641,677 blocks!
OS4/PUP/WUP total blocks this far: 223,207 blocks.

It will take a loooong time for OS4/PUP/WUP to pass MorphOS here, if ever ...

Race on!
;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 62 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Dan on 25-Sep-2004 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Kjetil):
It´s cheaper to have them onboard and probably less driver-issues.
If the interface is there, why don´t use it? headers and dsubs don´t cost much.
I can only see one reason to not have ser and par and that is space. which isn´t a issue yet.
Heck even the Gumstick <a href="http://www.gumstix.com/"http://www.gumstix.com/>
has serial not to mention BasicStamp, A500, and most 8-bits can be fitted with one. It´s usefull for both hobbyprojects and industrial use.
Apple IMac might look cool but BeBox was cool. Geek-port that was a good idea.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 63 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 12:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (takemehomegrandma):
I'm waiting for altivec, yes yes yes ;-D›
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 64 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Dan):
(cost of (PCB + DBUS + CHIP + extra work time)) * number of users = unknown sum

maybe this is about the fee needed to make AmigaOS40 and improve it beyond any thing else in this world.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 65 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 12:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (Kjetil):
Aren't we all?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 66 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
"question how needs COM1,COM2,PAR ports this days? do we realy need the onbaord disk-drive controller?"

I need the serial and parallel ports. What disk drive controller? IDE or floppy?

As these functions are in the chipset anyway, there is only the cost of tracks and sockets. It's worth the extra for the flexibility. An external adaptor for USB would cost more and is not so convenient.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 67 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Kjetil):
"you really only need one good paint program, one good music program, one good web browser, you don't need 100 different paint programs, quantity is not equal to quality,"

Do you mean bundled, or available?

Obviously there needs to be a big choice of paint, drawing, CAD and image processing programs available. They don't have to be all bundled as in a Linux distro.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 68 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 12:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Dan):
"question how needs COM1,COM2,PAR ports this days?
Everybody, it´s a finalized standard that works with the most obscure hardware."

And the lack of them is one reason I won't be buying a Mac.

My ideal computer has every port that has ever been used built in. Or better still, it is a rack mount case with a PCI backplane and about 12 slots.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 69 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (Don Cox):
floppy what else?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 70 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 12:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Don Cox):
So what are you currently using them for, way can't you use USB, firewire or Ethernet?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 71 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Ronald St-Maurice on 25-Sep-2004 12:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Anonymous):
AmigaOne G4-XE motherboard with G4 processor
256MB [expensive & hard to find] RAM
Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM drive
52X24X52 CDRW
ATI Radeon 7000 64MB and TV Out graphics card
Sound Blaster Live audio card
...


It's not hard to find and expensive RAM...

You can get registered ECC PC133 SDRAM on Crucial.com.

256MB for $105 US funds
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 72 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 25-Sep-2004 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Ronald St-Maurice):
256MB for $105 US funds

DDR memory is cheaper two times.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 73 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 25-Sep-2004 13:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (Don Cox):
I dont get this.. what do you have against progress?

If you really need serial parallel ports, there is no problem attaching them to USB, as many as you like. I see no point in having them on board. Why not whine about lacing AUI ethernet, joystick port and VME bus while you are at it? :)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 74 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by itix on 25-Sep-2004 14:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Ronald St-Maurice):
"It's not hard to find and expensive RAM...You can get registered ECC PC133 SDRAM on Crucial.com." Humm... and what if it doesnt work?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 75 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 14:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Kjetil):
"So what are you currently using them for, way can't you use USB, firewire or Ethernet?"

Right now, parallel for a laser printer, serial for MIDI. Might get a serial laser printer soon.

Firewire is for camcorders, Ethernet is used here for networking, but I don't have a network printer.

But who knows what gear might turn up or what project one might want to do?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 76 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 14:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
"I dont get this.. what do you have against progress?"

Nothing except the expense - I've spent far too much on computers over the past 25 years. There are other priorities.

If the new ports are additional, they are very welcome. If they mean the new motherboard doesn't work with any of the existing gear, that is stupid. Adaptors are a fudge - and they cost money.

There is no point in novelty for the sake of it, or just so the manufacturers can get you to buy a newer and tackier version of something you already have.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 77 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
What you don't seem to realise is that built in parallel and serial (and Amiga-type joystick) ports are _simple_. They do not need elaborate software drivers. They always work.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 78 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Sep-2004 15:15 GMT
A few Saku2005 pics

some explanations:

1 - somebody checking Colorwheel in Ambient prefs. MPlayer playing a movie and Zone Xplorer rending mandelbrtos.

2 - Piru manually coding a crash because we couldn't crash MOS otherwise

3 - MOS's "Grimreaper" clone in action.

4-5 crowded room. There were <>50 of us, I assume

6-7 Some Wipeout was in order to fullfill gaming desires

8-9 Some game. Looked fun.

10-11 Quake 2 to show how fekkin' lame gamers we are in real life

12 - Nice towercase!

13-14 Windows like TaskManager, to kill, freeze or break tasks. It also has cpu monitor

15 - Some 3d accelerated ANR plugin

16 - ANR, I think

17-19 OS4b in action

20 - Prefs window, screenblanker selection with preview

21-22 More colorwheel watching .. it works in realtime changing all the settings in global MUI windows.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 79 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by snowblood on 25-Sep-2004 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (hooligan/dcs):
it's not a Grimreaper clone!!! :-)

it's the logserver (exists already in current public morphos, enable it with logserver boot parameter). Just the fancy MUI GUI must be new. :-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 80 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 25-Sep-2004 15:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (snowblood):
It is what it is .. as long as I don't have to watch it too often
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 81 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by koan on 25-Sep-2004 15:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Don Cox):
The main reason has to be the small numbers being sold - which does give a
vicious circle.


I don't disagree, the number of A1s that could possibly be sold is very low.

However, my understanding is that Pegasos is much cheaper (*), how is this so
when Genesi has perceivably the same size or smaller userbase ?

* I wouldn't be against seeing some comparison tables and figures, for example,
cost of ownership could be higher - if I understand correctly if you didn't
pay to upgrade to a Pegasos 2 then you could end up with less/un supported
hardware.

Although this might seem like a flame war inducing question, I think it is
a question that many people are thinking about as they look to choose which
platform to go with.

koan
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 82 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (hooligan/dcs):
Nice images. So how was your impressions between the two OS's?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 83 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 25-Sep-2004 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (Don Cox):
http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg =)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 84 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 15:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (brotheris):
Was that the famous Amiga One? ;-)
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 85 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 25-Sep-2004 16:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 84 (Anonymous):
no, it was Articia-A

@Hooligan

So interesting inside info as was shown in PUGS meeting was hidden ? Have you test driven new Ambient ?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 86 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 25-Sep-2004 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (brotheris):
That Ambient in the pictures looked quite similar to the 1.4?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 87 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by brotheris on 25-Sep-2004 16:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Anonymous):
No, it was radicaly different, hence my questions.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 88 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 16:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (brotheris):
That looks ideal. I would love one of those.

Especially the wheels.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 89 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 78 (hooligan/dcs):
Hey that look like my AmigaOS40 the pre developer version, It can't be the latest beta used by the beta testers,

the update for AmigaOS40 shoed contain powericons and this images contain none.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 90 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 16:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (Anonymous):
Ambient shown was 1.4. New Ambient was one of few components not shown. It was told it is Altivec accelerated though. Some other Altivec software was shown. The Log server gui was told to be very very not finished.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 91 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen on 25-Sep-2004 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (Don Cox):
"What you don't seem to realise is that built in parallel and serial (and Amiga-type joystick) ports are _simple_. They do not need elaborate software drivers. They always work."

They certainly do not "always work", neither of them. The are lots of serial ports that are locked to 8n1, and there are lots of parallel ports that do no support all the needed modes to be usable with all hardware. And there are lots of crappy drivers for them, in all OSes.

And besides that, they run at "old" voltage... good riddance!
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 92 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 16:55 GMT
Some other tidbits from the show:

- MOS 1.5 had native TCP/IP, but its prefs were unfinished and due to unavailability/limited availability of network at the event place, it was not demonstrated.

- MOS 1.5 has Radeon 3D, but it was not shown due to beta code refusing to run on other than developer machines (MAC checking precaution, MOS was shown on a user-group member machine).

- AmigaOS 4.0 beta was a beta of the pre-release upgrade. It didn't have JIT or 3D. It did have DMA enabled IDE drivers.

Neither of the systems showed any signs of significant crashes or any problems like that. In fact, they look very much alike side by side. MOS did have superior applications compatibility though, much more improved from 1.4: WOS, PUP, 68k JIT, Warp3D, 3D accelerated SDL etc. all running on the machine. Voodoo 3D was said to four times faster than in 1.4. Also audio.device compatibility was there. OS4 was lesser in this regard, no JIT, 3D etc. But software SDL was shown. OS4 on the other hand had some nice touches such a lot better Grim Reaper and lots of nice prefs and the versatile AmiBench. Though MOS 1.5 also had great prefs and lots of new goodies (like 3D accelerated blankers, hotkeys for e.g. resizing windows from borders, new mouse pointer prefs, ability to change boot image etc. small touches). MPlayer movie player in MOS was said to be Altivec enabled.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 93 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 16:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
"What you don't seem to realize is that built in parallel and serial (and Amiga-type joystick) ports are _simple_. They do not need elaborate software drivers. They always work."

back to the hardware hacking arguments again, and I started to think we where moving away from that type medaling whit the hardware, the only reason I can think of to keep this parts are for geek stuff, home made electronic geek gadgets, and maybe connect a A500 over serial form time to time to convert ADF's or some thing like that.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 94 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 17:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Janne):
what about mass-storage and AmigaOS40 any demonstrations, AmigaInput on game-pads?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 95 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Janne):
I know there are few users that do like to use the old TCP stuff even if they have an better option
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 96 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Kjetil):
PlayStation 2 pad was demoed on the MOS 1.5 machine. On the OS4 machine AmigaInput prefs were shown, but the technology was not demonstrated AFAIK. (Different persons / systems demoed the machines.) USB mass-input support was said to be there in OS4, but if it was demoed at the event, I didn't see it.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 97 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 25-Sep-2004 17:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Janne):
did you se the DvPlayer, any good?
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 98 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 25-Sep-2004 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (Kjetil):
I did not see the DvPlayer, I think...

One note: AmiPDF was said to be improved from the pre-release on the OS4 machine and looked fine.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 99 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Joe on 25-Sep-2004 17:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Darth_X):
Still no reason to charge so much for a crappy board. Hyperion & Eyetech have totally shot themselves in the foot in a big way and have lost quite customers in doing so.

Lets be serious though. The AmigaOne motherboard is ONLY aimed at pure hardcore Amiga users who will pay extortionate prices for glorified junk, even if it was 2000/3000 bucks per board,those people would still purchase them. Sad really as i wanted Eyetech and Hyperion to do well but they have totally disapointed me with their idiocy.
The Best of Both Worlds: New OS4 beta and MOS 1.5 beta in Finland : Comment 100 of 174ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 25-Sep-2004 17:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Kjetil):
"back to the hardware hacking arguments again, and I started to think we where moving away from that type medaling whit the hardware, the only reason I can think of to keep this parts are for geek stuff, home made electronic geek gadgets,"

Exactly. The kind of thing you can't do on a Mac or a new PC.

How are people to learn electronics if they can't experiment?
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