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[News] Amiga in China!ANN.lu
Posted on 05-Oct-2004 15:58 GMT by Anonymous (Edited on 2004-10-05 18:47:21 GMT by Christophe Decanini)139 comments
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MAI LOGIC UNveiled the SMART TERMINAL at the Modern Computing Technology and Product Demonstration Forum IN CHINA

FREMONT, CA. Sep 15, 2004. Mai Logic Incorporated, a fabless IC and system design house specializing in designing and marketing innovative chipset and platform solutions for use in PowerPC microprocessor based applications, announced the Smart Terminal architecture at the Modern Computing Technology and Product Demonstration Forum on September 8, 2004, in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.

Hosted and organized by Chinese E-Commerce Association, Chinese Aviation Technology Group, and Beijing-based ARC.9 Computing Co. Ltd., the main purpose of this forum is to introduce and promote the Smart Terminal having general desktop functions to accelerate adoption of Linux on PowerPC solutions for implementations in client devices, network computers (NC), and office automation (OS) systems for governmental, educational, financial, industrial, and commercial organizations in China.

The system architecture of the Smart Terminal is based on the Teron Mini platform, a Mini-ITX form factor (170mm X 170mm) mainboard which incorporates Mai Logic's Articia S chipset and IBM's latest PowerPC 750FX/GX microprocessor. Running on the open-sourced Linux OS, the "Ready for IBM Technology" certified Teron Mini makes the Smart Terminal a robust and reliable computer. Thanks to its compact size, low power consumption, low cost, and overall versatility, the Smart Terminal is ideally suited for the rigorous demands large mission-critical users. Multiple Smart Terminals can access applications at the server while running local Linux desktop applications simultaneously by utilizing a hierarchical, distributed architecture which links hundreds of systems together into one seamless network that reduces costs, accommodates consolidations, boosts security, and increase productivity. "The small size and performance power of the Smart Terminal provide distinct advantages to both customers and system integrators," said Jason, Hou, Chief Executive Officer of Mai Logic.

With technical assistance and support provided by IBM, California-based Mai Logic Incorporated and its affiliate, Inguard Incorporated, there were 300 hundreds of high-performance and diskless smart terminals setup in this event for demonstrating video broadcasting, video streaming, 3D game application, Linux Office Suite application, and RDP (Remote Desktop Protocol) client application. The on-site demonstration enabled all attendees to use new high-performance/low-power PowerPC Linux based Smart Terminals and experience a verity of applications it can offer.

In addition, IBM and Xi'an Jiaotong University announced a jointly established Linux research lab in the forum. Led by Inguard, IBM and China's Ministry of Education, this is the first Linux research lab located on the campus of a higher educational institute in China. As a part of China's 863 program (National High Technology Research and Development Program of China), this lab aims at providing a Linux educational platform toward the western China.

Estimated more than 300 people attended this event, including high-profile government officials from Ministry of Information Industry, scholars and experts from Chinese Academy of Sciences and Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, managers of prospective and potential customers in electricity, petrochemical, financial, and telecommunication industries, executives of ARC.9, IBM, Mai Logic, and Inguard, as well as journalists from major media such as SINA, the largest Internet News Agency in China and Xinhua, the largest news agency in China.

[snip non-english links and company info]

Source: Mai Logic
Amiga in China! : Comment 51 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 05-Oct-2004 21:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Troels):
Of course it is RELATED to Amiga. That's not the problem.

But the title of the thread is "Amiga in China!". Look at the top of the
thread.. AMIGA IN CHINA, it says.

The press release shows that Amiga is not in China. Mai's little Smart Terminal is. Good for posting the press release. Stupid for the thread title that implies it is some coup for Amiga.

Neko
Amiga in China! : Comment 52 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Hans-Joerg Frieden on 05-Oct-2004 21:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Neko):
There was an AmigaOS demonstration as well, I think this qualifies for the thread title.

YMMV, and if it does, well I can't say I'm overly surprised ;-)
Amiga in China! : Comment 53 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Kenshiro on 05-Oct-2004 21:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Hans-Joerg Frieden):
quick get him while he's here!

So, will OS4.0 get the chinese/mandarin locales, or even full unicode support? (if not already there then maybe in 4.1?)

@Amon_re:

It was me who brought up the topic of chinese based locales, me a big someone, SAY MY NAME!!! #huff# #huff#


ok i go to bed now :)
Amiga in China! : Comment 54 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by cdecanini on 05-Oct-2004 22:14 GMT
It qualifies as news to me, it is related to Amiga to me.
If you do not agree you should not have opened the thread and be reading comment 53.
Amiga in China! : Comment 55 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 05-Oct-2004 22:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Troels):
Look, I certainly believe that this news item *is* related to the AmigaOne.
The problem is that some people keep whining every time the AmigaOne is being
referred to as the Teron, as if this is bad, and still state the opposite
here. That's the only problem I have with that thread.
Amiga in China! : Comment 56 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 05-Oct-2004 22:38 GMT
It qualifies as news to me, it is related to Amiga to me.
If you do not agree you should not have opened the thread and be reading comment 56.
Amiga in China! : Comment 57 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 01:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Christophe Decanini):
When this years ANN.lu postcount-statistics comes out, i wonder who is the new raising trollingstar in top15. It is Agima. AKA Bobson. AKA the one who created this thread too. Came out of nowhere and trolling is the game he play. Pathetic figure.
Amiga in China! : Comment 58 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by The_Editor on 06-Oct-2004 03:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 (Anonymous):
I've never known Bobson to use any other nick then his own.

He might well have used an anon at some stage ... But for a news posting ?

WHY ?
Amiga in China! : Comment 59 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Janne on 06-Oct-2004 03:20 GMT
I think this is good news for the A1 camp and the entire extended Amiga community. Good luck Eyetech!

I have, personally, for a long time already held the belief that China/Asia and MAI are to Eyetech what Freescale represents to Genesi - THE opportunity. Everything else is gravy. These two are the major themes the competing companies seem to be focusing on at the moment and for a while already. There may be more, but at least there seems to be one major opportunity for both companies looming...

That's good. Good news for all of us. No need to bash it any more than bash "blue news".
Amiga in China! : Comment 60 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Oct-2004 03:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (The_Editor):
You are probably speaking of some Bobson at AW.net... or?

I think this anon is talking about "Bobson" who posted a dozen "f*ck you blue scum" posts yesterday. Or are you saying it was the real Bobson(if there is such a person at aw.net) who did it?
Amiga in China! : Comment 61 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 03:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (hooligan/dcs):
The person behind these impersonations is the same user as Paul Gadd ex of amiga.org ( see his diatribe about Eyetech being able to afford enough kickbacks to get Mikey_C a porsche on moobunny ).

If you criticise him, as "bobson" did on the "trolls" thread on amiga.org you will get him posting bile on other boards all over the place using your nickname.

Bobson is Bobsonsirjohnny from aw.net and amiga.org, he also is famous for burning a genesi poster in 2002 for which he apologised.

The troll yesterday was paul gadd posting as bobson.

Of course Paul Gadd ( who is a hypocrite that slams sites for censorship when he gets moderated and then slams them for bias when someone who criticses him does not get moderated as Wayne can attest ), arch troublemaker in chief, who also wishes death by cancer on anyone whom he does not like, would have a harder job if people that used nicknames on here registered their nicknames and used the login system.

So yes there is a user called bobson, yes he is in #amigaworld, yes he uses amiga.org and amigaworld.net and his only ( recent ) crime is to offend "Paul Gadd" ( actually the real name of Gary Glitter the 70s musician who was convicted of paedophilia so it really is not this guys real name either ) sentence for which is merciless impersonation to get the ranks of whatever side said offender is not on ( in this case blue ) to go after him with pitchforks.

As an experiment, ask someone, like timofonic or seehund, to call Paul Gadd a bit of scum and see him, in predictable fashion, spam the net as "timofonic" or "seehund" saying "die red scum, your Teron is broken and the ArticiaS will give you aids" or other such incoherent rant.

Now you know that this low iq mixer has been at the heart of a hell of a lot of the inter-community fights that have gone on maybe it is time we all ask ourselves the question "is this paul gadd stirring" before we believe that the next anti red/blue diatribe made by red/blue illuminary is really them.

Once answered of course, if it really is them, pass the pitchfork.
Amiga in China! : Comment 62 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 03:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Oh and if you still have trouble remembering who bobson is, last year in #morphos he was referred to, most of the time, as the "Red Terrorist".
Amiga in China! : Comment 63 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Oct-2004 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
The person behind these impersonations is the same user as Paul Gadd ex of amiga.org ( see his diatribe about Eyetech being able to afford enough kickbacks to get Mikey_C a porsche on moobunny ).
If you criticise him, as "bobson" did on the "trolls" thread on amiga.org you will get him posting bile on other boards all over the place using your nickname.
Bobson is Bobsonsirjohnny from aw.net and amiga.org, he also is famous for burning a genesi poster in 2002 for which he apologised.


I don't criticise anybody or blame anybody. I don't know who Bobson is or who "Bobson" is, and frankly, I don't care either :)

The troll yesterday was paul gadd posting as bobson.

If you say so.
Amiga in China! : Comment 64 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
More heads up on this Paul Gadd character, he also has the habit of using names of Z/X/C list celebrities involved in the British TV and Pop scene. So, if you see names used that are the same as for example Eastenders characters or the actors that play them, it is more than likely Paul Gadd under yet another alias. Get a friendly Brit to spot them for you.

This does however prove he is a Brit.

Just FYI.
Amiga in China! : Comment 65 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (hooligan/dcs):
I do say so.
Amiga in China! : Comment 66 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Oct-2004 04:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 62 (Anonymous):
Oh and if you still have trouble remembering who bobson is, last year in #morphos he was referred to, most of the time, as the "Red Terrorist".

Seems like age is getting to me .. the term "Red Terrorist" is unfamiliar to me :/
Amiga in China! : Comment 67 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (hooligan/dcs):
Im sure bobson will be most unhappy his fame is less than was reported.
Amiga in China! : Comment 68 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by hooligan/dcs on 06-Oct-2004 04:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Anonymous):
Sounds more like an urban legend than the truth if you ask me =)
Amiga in China! : Comment 69 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:21 GMT
This post, for example, is a Paul Gadd special

http://www.flyingmice.com/cgi-bin/squidcgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/107101.shtml

Posted after bobson ended up in his sights over this

http://www.amiga.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20598&forum=22&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=50

Where bobson said:

"Paul Gadd - I actually wish him all the physical harm in the world. I honestly hope he has a {bleep} life. I think hes a turd.

Yeah - you guessed right. I really dont like him."

After which you might say all is fair in love and war, but it still does not alter the basic fact, this is Paul Gadds pattern, you can recognize him from the way he writes, how he reacts, the timing and the aliases he choses to write under.
Amiga in China! : Comment 70 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (hooligan/dcs):
Probably, "smithy" could have been winding him up.
Amiga in China! : Comment 71 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 04:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Kenshiro):
" So, will OS4.0 get the chinese/mandarin locales, or even full unicode support? (if not already there then maybe in 4.1?) "

I just wanted to point out this extremely good question !
Amiga in China! : Comment 72 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by bluvi on 06-Oct-2004 04:39 GMT
it is funny, title at amigaworld.net is
News : Mai Logic Unveiled Smart Terminal in China

and title at ann.lu is amiga in china !

it think from the news they not mentioning about eyetech at all.also about
amiga !, because mai produced the board,
eyetech only licensing the board to use for amigaOS

:)
Amiga in China! : Comment 73 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by timofonic on 06-Oct-2004 04:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Mr. Anonymous, why do you mentioned me? What do you mean?
Amiga in China! : Comment 74 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 04:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (timofonic):
Just picking "blue" names out of the air, nothing personal.

Of course now Paul Gadds pattern is outed he probably won't react in the way I predicted ( I should have emailed Hooligan/DCS ) but it is worth a shot.
Amiga in China! : Comment 75 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Oct-2004 05:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (priest):
"" So, will OS4.0 get the chinese/mandarin locales, or even full unicode support? (if not already there then maybe in 4.1?) "

I just wanted to point out this extremely good question !"

And again. This really is important.
Amiga in China! : Comment 76 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Don Cox):
me being impatient...


This is from os.amiga.com:
" FT2Engine: new powerful font-engine

FT2Engine is an Amiga font engine that allows you to use "alien" font formats with each program that either uses diskfont.library or the bullet.library API.

Features:

* Supports PostScript Type1 and Type42, TrueType/OpenType (including TrueType collections, embedded bitmaps, and OpenType 1.3 with Unicode characters beyond 0xffff), PFR (Truedoc dynamic webfonts), BDF&PCF (X11 bitmap fonts) and Windows .fnt/.fon fonts.
* Global font, glyph and charmap cache with adjustable size.
* Support for embedded fonts (raw font from memory without .otag file).
* Includes font manager FT2Manager with localized MUI GUI that allows you to install, modify, rename and delete fonts, create bitmap fonts in different charsets, select encoding, adjust metrics, select between three types of hinting, view all Unicode3.2 chars, view any text (encoded in UTF- 7|8|16|32 or plain 8bit) with the selected font, kerning and charset. Has bubble help, selectable font smoothing etc.
* diskfont, asl and locale library now support:
o Font names with more than 30 characters
o Fonts and catalogs with different charsets
o Selection of the default system charset (e.g. ISO-8859-15 with Euro)
* Improved "bullet" API (font smoothing, bitmap font support etc) "

But what's the latest status? Do chinese characters already work, how about locales, etc?
Amiga in China! : Comment 77 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by JoannaK on 06-Oct-2004 06:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (priest):
FT2 engine is external font handlling/rendering library.. It can't magically fix/update entire OS to Unicode. But.. it's a good start (and it also part of MOS1.4 in case you didn't know ).

But, Apps.. if apps expect 8-bit characters (like old Amiga Apps do) they simply can't handle Unicode-formatted text. It'll take years before OS4 and main apps have clean unicode support.

Meanwhile (see my post #38 iirc) It's possible, but is it economically feasible. Are chinese willing to pay and wait?
Amiga in China! : Comment 78 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 06-Oct-2004 06:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Troels):
> why is there no decent moderation on this site???

Because there aren't enough moderators, and the existing moderators can't be online 24/7.

My ISP has messed up my DSL line, so I can only access the internet from work right now. Of course, being at work kinda implies that I'm not able to do much on ANN.
Amiga in China! : Comment 79 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Paul Gadd on 06-Oct-2004 06:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 61 (Anonymous):
Yeah right. why not prove it? surely a super sleuth like yourself can expose me with true evidence instead of pure made up BS.

Thanks for the comedy though.
Amiga in China! : Comment 80 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 06-Oct-2004 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 74 (Anonymous):
My nick is a "blue name"?? :D

I do see your point though, disregarding the this-or-that side gaffe: Irritate this "Paul Gadd" moron, and become the subject of his coprolalia diatribes and poor impersonations. The pattern should be obvious to anyone by now, and such posts ignored and moderated for the trolls they are.

And if the IP doesn't resolve to *.gu.se or *.comhem.se, then it's probably not me, in case I would become his target.
Amiga in China! : Comment 81 of 139ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Profanity, trolling
Amiga in China! : Comment 82 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by ikir on 06-Oct-2004 06:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Neko):
OS4, MicroA1 were also shown by Mai and Eyetech :-)
Amiga in China! : Comment 83 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 06-Oct-2004 06:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (JoannaK):
"But, Apps.. if apps expect 8-bit characters (like old Amiga Apps do) they simply can't handle Unicode-formatted text. It'll take years before OS4 and main apps have clean unicode support."

This is certainly a problem on IBrowse, now that so many web sites use UTF-8.
Amiga in China! : Comment 84 of 139ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga in China! : Comment 85 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Not a Teron user. on 06-Oct-2004 07:37 GMT
Let these asians and amigans have fun with their faulty boards,in the real world they are faulty but in their world the faults are infact hidden features.
Amiga in China! : Comment 86 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Not a Teron user.):
Those boards work 100% with linux.
Amiga in China! : Comment 87 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by RoqueFort on 06-Oct-2004 07:48 GMT
For the last time those Amigaone boards are not faulty, Alan Redhouse has done major expert stress tests on the boards and the results have come back perfect. If you are really unhappy then contact Mr Redhouse and ask for a refund but i doubt you would get a refund as the A1 is a fully working product.
Amiga in China! : Comment 88 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 06-Oct-2004 07:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (priest):
Can you prove it? or are you infact another Eyetech droid following his Master?
Amiga in China! : Comment 89 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 08:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 77 (JoannaK):
"It's possible, but is it economically feasible."

No matter what, they seem to be doing it. So IMO, question about chinese character & localisation support is also & still relevant question.

"Are chinese willing to pay and wait?"

No one knows the answer. Nothing is free. Not even the linuxbox.

So, the question should morph to:
- What is AOS4 planned to cost for Chinese users?
- Will there be AOS4Lite to chip with Teron boards for extra 10?
- What is the price of chinese Teron board? Does it ship with AOS4 dongle ROM? Does it generate revenue towards Amiga companies (mainly the UBOOT developers)?
Amiga in China! : Comment 90 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 08:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 (Anonymous):
Can you prove that it (miniTeron MK3 and MK4) does not work 100"?


Let me say it in a few more words:
"Those boards have been updated to work 100% with linux & VIA IDE DMA & Ethernet."



btw. those 300 mini Teron bords were running Linux but not using IDE HDD at all. (If I understood it correctly.)
Amiga in China! : Comment 91 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 08:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (priest):
MikeB dug the following out of "Ask Fleecy" -archives:
***********************
The support for non-Latin fonts like for instance Arabic/Persian and Chinese/Japanese characters were not well documented for previous AmigaOS releases. How will such characters and languages be handled by future AmigaOS and AmigaDE releases?


Fleecy: Not well documented is too optimistic :) It was documented that the Amiga character set is ECMA-94 Latin1 (thats ISO-8859-1), that the bullet.library API uses Unicode (16bit only), and it was defined a font attribute FPF_REVPATH for writing from right to left. There was no official statement from H&P how their special localizations for e.g. czech or russian would fit into this framework (in fact they did not). There was a statement that the Euro update is only an intermediate solution.

OS4 bullet API was improved and allows 32bit Unicode now, 16bit are not enough since Unicode 3.2 (current is 4.0).

OS4 diskfont.library now contains a character set database, it does know the MIME charset name of each font in the system, and the Unicode code point of each glyph. However the bitmap fonts handled by diskfont.library are still limited to 8bit charsets, so for Chinese/Japanese/Persian/Georgian etc you'll have to use bullet API. With the new diskfont API you can however ask for e.g. Times in ISO-8859-5 (cyrillic), -6 (arabic), -7 (greek), -8 (hebrew), -11 (thai) or -16 (eastern european latin with Euro) and it will create it on-the-fly from e.g. a truetype font.

With OS4 locale.library the user is able to change the current system default charset on-the-fly by selecting a different language driver. The charset of each catalog file in the system is known, there exist charset conversion functions that ensure that e.g. for polish with ISO-8859-2 system default charset any polish catalog file will be displayed correct, it does not matter if its in ISO-8859-2, -16 or in the special ATO charset used in OS3.9 polish localization. Its also possible to use catalog files in UTF-8.

Most text handling and output functions in OS4 are not able to write from right to left, so there still exist large problems with arabic/persian and hebrew, an application that reverses arabic and hebrew strings before output can at least display its GUI but for text input (cursor on the right after return) special applications would be needed.

Summary: OS3.x language support was limited to western european latin languages, OS4.0 language support is limited to latin, cyrillic and greek (thai would eventually work if someone could fit thai glyphs into topaz/8 and topaz/9 default ROM fonts). OS4.0 font support is limited to any 8bit MIME charset in diskfont API (besides the right-to-left problem) and not limited in bullet API.
Amiga in China! : Comment 92 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Teron or AmigaOne? on 06-Oct-2004 08:18 GMT
Have you ever noticed that anything postive said about the Teron boards, the Amiga users tell people to call it a Amigaone, but if you insult those bug ridden Terons then the Amiga patriots themselves call it a Teron.
Amiga in China! : Comment 93 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Teron or AmigaOne? on 06-Oct-2004 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (priest):
Fleecy Moss is hardly someone credible that you should be quoting.
Amiga in China! : Comment 94 of 139ANN.lu
Message removed by Christian Kemp for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Trolling
Amiga in China! : Comment 95 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Damien on 06-Oct-2004 08:57 GMT
Just to split hairs...

Pegasii being sold / demoed to companies to run Linux is related news because Genesi designed and makes the Pegasos boards and hires a Linux developer to update the kernel to work on them.

Eyetech / Amiga Inc _licensed_ an OEM design, and the original designers (not an Amiga company) then market the board to other markets using Linux.

In one case the design & Linux effort is paid for by the so-called Amiga company, in the other it isn't. Its kinda like playing a game of soccer and saying you gave it your best versus being a supporter and cheering the team on, hoping you get some recognition for your "loyalty".

I just don't see the point anymore.

Damien
Amiga in China! : Comment 96 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 09:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Teron or AmigaOne?):
HA!

I did even better. I referred Mike Bouma AND Fleecy in one post!!!

;)
Amiga in China! : Comment 97 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 06-Oct-2004 09:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (Teron or AmigaOne?):
That was said also before in this thread.

Perhaps it is partly true. Just do not generalize it too much. Most MOS users also think that they are Amiga users. And then there's people who have both (peg and A1) boards and...


(I personally do not have any problem calling the A1 a teron when it does not have AOS4 dongle etc. etc... Branding happens everywhere.)
Amiga in China! : Comment 98 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 06-Oct-2004 09:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (priest):
No matter what, they seem to be doing it.

Do they? Why do you think so? Based on that Alan Redhouse has been in China, that AmigaOS4 includes freetype, or what?

I haven't seen anything about plans for any amigoid OS to support Chinese locales, or any right-to-left languages.

Since Eyetech seem to be the only motherboard customers that Mai/Atum have at the moment, them being invited to China by Mai/Atum could more likely be part of the Atum's sales pitch at these conferences: "look everybody, we really have customers, and they're foreigners from the high-tech western hemisphere no less!"

AFAIK, the Chinese authorities have not too long ago made up official guidelines not to purchase commercial software from the West. This leaves home users and privately owned companies in the "free" trade zones. Why would these even consider buying AmigaOS (and the compulsory Teron bundle) instead of their pirated copies of Windows and other existing gratis alternatives?


Even if AmigaOS won't be part of any deals, I hope the Atum companies sell a crapload of Terons in China. This could promote needed development of better products, and bring down the price somewhat. This could in turn trickle down to us AmigaOS users to some extent, despite our redundant middlemen and limitations to an "Amiga hardware" pseudo-market.
Amiga in China! : Comment 99 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Seehund on 06-Oct-2004 09:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (priest):
MikeB dug the following out of "Ask Fleecy" -archives:

Bleeeaaargh!
That sentence alone makes the comment a gross violation of international treaties for restrictions of noxious bullshit emissions.
Amiga in China! : Comment 100 of 139ANN.lu
Posted by Ikir on 06-Oct-2004 10:11 GMT
The facts>

1> The Peg is a rubbish board aimed only at blue idiots.

2> The A1 board has no bugs in the hardware at all.

3> The Peg has a buggy DMA controller and no Firewire .

4> UDMA works perfectly on the A1.

5> Alan from Eyetech is a trustworthy individual.

6> Bill Buck is a liar and a cheat.

7> Amiga Inc has done wonderful things for the community.

8> Genesi is a evil company set out to destroy the Amiga name.

9> MorphOS uses stolen code.

10> AmigaOS4 is a legal OS and proud of it, unlike MOS.

-
Riccardo
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