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Posted on 02-May-2000 19:59 GMT by Christian Kemp24 comments
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Tony Pascoal noticed on amiga-news.de that Be News has a poll that also features the Amiga. The question is The next Operating System I would like to try out soon will be, and one of the possible answers is ElateOS/Amiga. As of right now, 23.90% out of 1433 voters thought the Amiga was their number one choice. When I checked 200 voters earlier, we were still at place #4.
BeNews poll : Comment 1 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 01-May-2000 22:00 GMT
As the poll URL was sent out on Amiga forums the balance shifted from a Neutrino lead to an Amie one, though for some time both were ahead of Be on what one would think would be Be (!) home turf.
With increasing frequency, Be developers are showing up on Phoenix's front porch asking to come in. They are interested in both QNX and Amiga.
BeNews poll : Comment 2 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Gary Goldberg on 01-May-2000 22:00 GMT
We're now in 1st (32%), with QNX/Neutrino 2nd at 20%.
Guess how I voted! :-)
BeNews poll : Comment 3 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Watts Martin on 01-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Gary Goldberg):
Well, there's a lot of Amiga fans in the Be community. (Probably a lot of ex-Amiga fans, too, but I'm sure you've noticed there's a lot of skepticism about Amiga Inc. out there in the world.) I never owned an Amiga, but I got involved in BeOS/x86 in no small part because of what seemed to be similarities to Amiga engineering philosophy at the company.
Of course, at the time I didn't know there were some similarities to Commodore marketing strategies at Be, too (although at Be the variant is "We're in danger of getting a userbase! Quick, focus shift!"), but that's a rant for another time and place....
BeNews poll : Comment 4 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Robert Simmonds on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
I think a lot of what i saw on there was VERY positive, and it looks like we have the BeOS vote when the new OS is launched.
Go amiga! =)
Robert Simmonds, editor of Amiga Showcase http://www.amigashowcase.org.uk
BeNews poll : Comment 5 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by John Payne on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
Elate/Amiga currently in the lead with 36.74% of the vote.
BeNews poll : Comment 6 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Hoggett on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
Bad news, it's gone to number one.
Why is that bad news? Because the poll and related discussions have been hijacked by some Amiga fanatic who isn't doing the new OS any favours at all when it comes to credibility.
Why do some people have to do everything in their power to make us Amiga users seem like nutters?
BeNews poll : Comment 7 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by nyxordnA on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bill Hoggett):
How unfair is THAT? Elate/Amiga OS is the OS Amigans want, so they vote for it.
Should we vote Windows ME? Would that give us credibility then? Bah. I guess it
was a vote aimed at BeOS users, not Amigans, but did it say anywhere "Amigans
may not vote"? Nope :)
BeNews poll : Comment 8 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by esbenf on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Bill Hoggett):
I couldn't agree more! Almost every time the Amiga is discussed outside Amiga Forums some rude, ignorant, unintelligent Amiga fanatic makes us all look like a bunch of loosers!
Is there really that many nutters in the Amiga community?
esbn
BeNews poll : Comment 9 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Neko on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (nyxordnA):
How unfair is it? It's totally fair.
It's a poll for BeOS users. That some Amigan wants to see the new AmigaOS and
gets all his nutter mates sort of defeats the object of the poll!
Neko
BeNews poll : Comment 10 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Neko):
They came, they left cig burns on the coffee table, drank all the beer, ate all the munchies, stained the carpet, and stunk up the bathroom. I'm sure Be people are going to be inviting them to all their little get-togethers.
Yeah, building goodwill across communities... I hope this doesn't slow the Be developers migrating into Phoenix
BeNews poll : Comment 11 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Arnold Ferret on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
Ferking hell!!! You seen the latest; and the two top nifty OSs are all to
be released for the Amiga; the Elate System is rated at almost 43% of votes; over a third!! And the closest is QNX Neutrino at 18%!! This means the Amiga in total has got 60% votes!!!
No matter what OS we use; the Amiga is poised to do just what it did in 1985!!
GO AMIGA!
BeNews poll : Comment 12 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by nyxordnA on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (greenboy):
Yeah, cause it was such an important poll, wasn't it. The fate of everything
really depended on it. Yes, I'm ashamed now. I realize I have ruined the life
of thousands upon thousands. Sniffle. Oh, misery. What I would do to have it
undone. Poor Phoenix. This surely will spell the end of it. We never knew what
it was for, and nothing ever emerged from it, but I'll try to shed a tear
anyways, for the pretty logo if nothing else.
"Oooh, behave or the Be developers won't join, eeeeek". Yeah right :)
BeNews poll : Comment 13 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
(1) "Both QNX and Amiga" Any change in bringing QNX into the Amiga fold?
(12) "the fate of everything really depended on it", Nope, he's talking about nutter behvior generally. An alternative reading of the Jim Collas period:
Jim actually had agreements with Transmeta.
Nutters could not wait for info.
They went on and on.
Jim saw them as the voice of the community and caved in to what he saw as community pressure.
Secretive Transmeta dropped Amiga and Gateway.
"Everything really depended on it"
To my shame, I wrote two emails to Collas before the big speech asking him not to consider the nutters the voice of the community and to consider commercial implications. These were not sent as I was interested in the revelations being pressured out of him.
BeNews poll : Comment 14 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by nyxordnA on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
* (12) "the fate of everything really depended on it", Nope, he's talking about
* nutter behvior generally. An alternative reading of the Jim Collas period:
*
* Jim actually had agreements with Transmeta.
* Nutters could not wait for info.
* They went on and on.
* Jim saw them as the voice of the community and caved in to what he saw as
* community pressure. Secretive Transmeta dropped Amiga and Gateway.
* "Everything really depended on it"
We're talking about an open poll here, mind you.
So Transmeta drops Amiga because Jim Collas couldn't keep his mouth shut. Not
because of "nutter behaviour"... I'm sure most nutters would be happy with a
"we are making a deal with someone major, with a revolutionary product. Because
of NDA's I can't tell you anymore, but be excited, very excited". Or something.
If Jim Collas let himself be dictated by the "community", I guess he was never
suited to head Amiga anyways.
BeNews poll : Comment 15 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Zipper on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Arnold Ferret):
Now 45.5% !!
BeNews poll : Comment 16 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by esbenf on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (nyxordnA):
No, it is not an importaint pool, but many amiga freaks behave badly towards other OS users, so does Linux people (just look on slahdot!). The result is that the Amiga as a brand is being rejected as an obolete platform with a following of nutcases who don't follow the technological evolution! We all know this is not true but most computer users have this oppinion! It may not seem like a very importaint poll, but this behaviour is slowly damaging the Amiga name!
Remember: The next generation Amiga will not survive by attracting the current Amiga community only, and in my oppinion it is also our responsibility to spread a positive feeling about Amiga!
esbn
BeNews poll : Comment 17 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Watts Martin on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (esbenf):
Leaving a positive impression is important, yes. Most BeOS users behave themselves in other forums, but there's certainly some fanatic lunacy that shows up in BeNews' own comment section that I hope doesn't leak out. BeOS needs to draw in developers, and the new Amiga system will, too; you don't do that by being too fanatic. And, in most people's minds, Amiga has more of an uphill battle; the Amiga is known to most people as a niche computer that hasn't been substantially updated in a decade. The fact that the new Amiga system really doesn't share anything with the old one but the name may not be a liability, but beyond the existing Amiga userbase it won't be a boon, either.
As for "stacking" the BeNews poll, why not? BeNews has a habit of announcing any poll that BeOS is mentioned in and trying to stack it. Turnabout is fair play. :)
BeNews poll : Comment 18 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Geof on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
I'm always amused at how worked up people get about polls. The Mac news sites frequently announce OS choice polls so their users can stuff the ballot. Be sites and Amiga sites do the same thing as if somewhere in the back room government officials are tallying the votes and planning clandestine move against Microsoft based on this revealing information.
When in reality the only people ever to look at or care about the results are those people stuffing the ballot boxes to gloat that "we're now at 62.5%!" To webmasters, Polls are simply something to increase page hits, and nothing is as sure of bringing visitors from far and wide as an alternative OS poll.
BeNews poll : Comment 19 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Jofre Furtado on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Watts Martin):
The GUI, I think, was made to look like the Aiga a little- much like PowerOS, but but BeOS is actually, from what what I hear, based on the MacOS. The creator was a former Apple employee and liked the Amiga- Anyway, I think he took ideas from the Amiga architecture and added it to MacOS though. I may stand corrected, but that's what I heard...
As far as the new OS's- everyone will be running LINUX and JAVA appliacation, period. The Elate/Amiga OS will be the only one able to provide support for both; therefore, if Amiga actually comes out with something, I think they should be the one to go for. I want quality and ease of use (not too easy, the Mac makes me feel like it's treating me like I have a fraction of a brain).
Everyone- go for quality... Amiga has always been on top when that was an issue and it will rock all industries with not only its portability, but its speed, various support in LINUX and JAVA and its ability to be hosted on other OS's.
BeNews poll : Comment 20 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by bobbie sellers on 02-May-2000 22:00 GMT
About the eventual unity of Elate-TAO-QNX-Neutrino: Those who know
are not permitted to say and those who talk will know very little.
JAVA is being pushed to the users as the next language for Amiga
while the Developers are being told C and C++ for the DevBox.
Linux and QNX share POSIX and TAO needs further development before
it can be up to the requirements for next generation of AmigaDOS
which won't be much like the previous AmigaOSes except in appearance
and maybe organization.
Since TAO can run hosted look for a QNX based system with a TAO
Virtual Processor running the new Amiga OS as front end.
That is just my opinion and have had to read a lot to come up with
the notion which is unconfirmed by any official source.
Have you signed up for the free CD-ROM at http://get.qnx.com/
and while you are there look at the platform requirements and then
review the Amiga Dev Box specs.
As for the poll, I am sure Be is going to base some
important policy on it. (irony intended).
later
Bliss
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bliss at global dot california dot com
When Po-chang was asked about seeking for the Buddha nature:
"It's much like riding an ox in search of the ox"
BeNews poll : Comment 21 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Jofre Furtado):
Hmm, where did you get the idea Elate/Ami would run Linux apps? AFAIK, nothing of such has been discussed. Obviously the devbox runs Linux stuff since it comes with Linux OS and Ami on top of it, but for the final version of Ami you won't need Linux.
I'm currently thinking of running Ami, Neutrino and Linux (plus AmigaOS if it gets ported outside Amigas) all side by side rather than on top of each other, to get the best out of all of them. Just have to get a large HD. :)
BeNews poll : Comment 22 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Jofre Furtado on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
I did not say that Amiga OS would run Linux apps.
I said that the new OS would "support it. The OS will, obviously, run Java apps, but the Linux support comes from the hosting. Linux hosting for the new OS is what is in the dev box, I know- basically, Amiga OS will be able to join the Linux community through these means while supporting advanced Java apps at the same time. Don't worry, I know the score so far when it comes to the official notices of the new OS. My point was that Amiga/Tao OS would be the only one capable of surviving in both markets at once because everyone else is doing one or the other; however, our competitor would probably be Tao themselves. They may have stock in Amiga, but don't be surprised if you see them release Elate OS itself without Amiga a well.
BeNews poll : Comment 23 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by greenboy on 03-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Teemu, I don't know what Amiga's plans are concerning running Linux apps, but I assume that *hosted*, one might have good access to them.
I do know that Neutrino will be providing lnxrun to run Linux apps. This will not be emulation, it is simply a mapping layer, so it should enjoy very close to Linux-native speeds.
BeNews poll : Comment 24 of 24ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 04-May-2000 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Jofre Furtado):
Okay, sorry. I misunderstood. I'm personally not interested in running Ami hosted since it would always mean a loss of performance. Besides running a RTOS on top of a non-realtime OS like Linux seems like a bit of a waste. I suspect the Linux community might see Ami more as a superior Java-engine rather than a complete OS.
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