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[News] Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreementANN.lu
Posted on 29-May-2001 13:38 GMT by Christian Kemp26 comments
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Mariusz Wloczysiak writes: "Elbox would like to explain the international relationships with Hyperion for the Amiga community."
  1. Elbox responded to the Hyperion's offer (Warp3D V4).
  2. Hyperion sent their offer to Elbox on Friday 25 May at 22:29 CET.
  3. Elbox Computer is a fully-fledged business, with the office working from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. in week days only.
  4. When Hyperion sent their offer, it was clearly beyond Elbox's office hours.
  5. Elbox contacted Hyperion on Monday 28 May after reading their offer and consulting it in a company meeting held specifically for this purpose.
  6. Elbox is eager to make an agreement with Hyperion and co-operate for creating more high-performance software for Amiga.
  7. Please note that as early as in August 2000 Elbox transferred to the Warp3D team (at Hyperion's request) a FREE developer's Mediator PCI 1200 along with the Mediator SDK.
  8. During the meeting in WOA 2000, Hyperion expressed their readiness to support Elbox hardware, which we believe was also due to the transfer of free hardware as Elbox' support for Hyperion. 3D support is necessary for users and conducive to equally both software and hardware businesses growing.
  9. We are sure co-operation is possible and necessary and evolving and we hope it will come to a fruitful end, especially with Hyperion proposing making 3D drivers as a commercial product. This gives a chance to future developing 3D drivers also for other modern graphic cards, for which ELBOX has now been preparing 2D drivers.
Elbox continues to make every effort to make sure Mediator PCI - now being developed into the full 4-type line: Mediator PCI 1200, Mediator PCI ZIV, Mediator PCI ZIII, Mediator PCI 4000 - always remains the best PCI busboard for Amiga computers and always enjoys the best software support.

Mariusz Wloczysiak
ELBOX COMPUTER, Press Department
http://www.elbox.com

Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 1 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
Reads like: Elbox against the rest of the world...
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 2 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
So, Elbox- when are you going to do the right thing and pay the P96 team,hmm?
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 3 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anon User on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
I guess what I haven't seen in this whole issue is Amiga stepping up to the plate to provide leadership and a sounding board so Elbox and P96 can all get together and figure this out....
Amiga - Leadership - are you going to provide any?
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 4 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
Just one question. Will it be compatible with the Elbox Voodoo3 driver or only with the announced "legal" P96 driver?
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 5 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Amifan):
As long as W3D4 is released after or at the same time as the official P96 update then there shouldn't be a problem. Perhaps it will work with both the official AND unofficial versions!!! :)
It seems to me that, despite the earlier comments posted here, Elbox have come under a lot of fire (again) for no reason other than they didn't INSTANTLY post an email explaining their position. Considering their explaination that Hyperion's offer was recieved after-hours, that means Monday 28th May is the earliest they would have seen it. Well, today is the 29th and in 24 hours they have read the offer, held a board meeting, agreed on their position and issued a statement - WHAT ELSE DO THE DOOMSAYERS WANT - BLOOD?????
Probaby... :)
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 6 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
I must point out that Hyperion did not receive an official statement from Elbox yet.
We did NOT receive even an e-mail that they are agreeing to our offer.
This press-release would seem to indicate that they are agreeing to it but again, we received no official confirmation.
It should also be pointed out that we first communicated our decision to turn Warp3D into an OEM product early last week.
We received no reaction and hence followed it up with another e-mail on the 25th.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 7 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
As you said, this hopefully means that Elbox agree to the terms and that this will be an end to the matter. One big happy family again??? :)
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 8 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>>It should also be pointed out that we first communicated our decision to turn Warp3D into an OEM product early last week. <<
We can only assume (as Elbox claim they never saw it) that it got deleted accidently along with the SPAM they receive each day offering them to "increase their penis size by 5 inches, work from home and earn $10,000 a day, lose 50lbs in one week, see 'free' pictures of underage teens and the 'have you seen my missing daugter' one".
Their reply accepting your terms is probably in your In-Box between the "apply online for a credit card" (send us all of your personal details first) and the chain letter that will curse you forever if you don't forward it to 10 of your friends (who will then email you back with suggestions on where you SHOULD have stuck that chain letter).
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 9 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Beany Bean on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Darrin):
"see 'free' pictures of underage teens"
Why is the 'free' in quotes? Experience?
:)
Sorry for raising the level of discussion.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 10 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Darrin):
Maybe it's just me, but I afraid their reaction suggests they don't want to pay. (And that they think the developer board and SDK is enough.) Hope I'm wrong in this.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 11 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 28-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Beany Bean):
Errrr.... Ummmm... NO COMMENT!!! lol
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 12 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
Well Elbox is only trying to make the cards they make better supported then the competitors, so they can force the otter competitors of the marked. As the cards they make are well supported, and the competitors are not :(
Not only this, if they pay the developers develpers to make drivers they make shore they stick to the Amiga :)
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 13 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by José on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
One question, who da hell what´s PCI graphics card?? We need AGP
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 14 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Ville Sarell on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (José):
And start waiting for it months, years ? + the drivers of course. We actually HAVE PCI-solution at the moment and some drivers too (SB Live drivers please.. ?).
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 15 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Bill Toner on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (José):
I want a PCI graphics card. Why? Because, having an A4000T, I can't use an Amigaone in it,
my choices are Prometheus and Mediator ZIII. Considering how Elbox's press releases keep
annoying me, my choice is Prometheus. IE, no AGP for me. So I'll most happily take a PCI
card over my ancient PicassoIV which can't do 3d at all, making it impossible to use any
of the 3d accelerated games from the last couple years (Wipeout 2097, GLQuake, Heretic II,
Shogo) and those coming in the future. Better PCI than nothing... And according to people that
know more than me about this stuff, AGP doesn't really give us a significant performance
improvement over PCI. Besides, the bottleneck connection to the Amiga is going to nullify any true
difference between PCI and AGP anyway, so it really doesn't matter.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 16 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Bill Toner):
The only big difference to AGP and PCI for current systems (yes...the low bandwidth is the bottleneck) is the fact that supported PCI cards are hard to get these dys...I don't know any story which sells a Voodoo3 PCI these days...(a normal PC story that is). You can get a couple of Voodoo5 cards, but there will be no 3D driver for them becaue of the lack of documentation...
As far as Matrox PCI cards are concerned we'll just have to wait and see....
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 17 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 29-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Darrin):
very offtopic but is it possible only on Amiga to avoid those extra windows opening when I go for the Anna Kournikova pics....
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 18 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Seb on 30-May-2001 22:00 GMT
What's the point? You can just get a PC for next to nothing now and run WinUAE.
Mark this as a troll if you want, but I just think it's really sad to see that there is still no strong leadership by Amiga (hasn't really been any, even in the Commodore days), and that the remaining companies are still bickering at stabbing each other in the back (remember the crippling of WarpOS by Phase5?)
This has been going on for years, and it pains me to see that it's always the Amiga users are always the ones being let down. I lost count of how many directions all sorts of companies took for their product roadmaps, only to show vaporware for it, or the many promises of hw/sw developers that never deliver and then complain that it's the users that don't show support.
Makes me glad I jumped ship years ago, as I couldn't take it anymore, but I do admire those of you that still support what 'Amiga' means.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 19 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by db on 30-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Seb):
kernel wars have caused the amiga to die very rapidly.
But now amiga have established that PowerPC is the way forward(how long has it taken for them to releise),the yellow brick road is finally verging into the gold brick.
As far as leaving the platform - yes i have left on several occasions, but the amiga is such a fine machine, it might be donkeys years old now but, it still represents a true multimedia computer.
Anyway we can't let the M$ to win - its to awful!.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 20 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 30-May-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Seb):
Yes, you can emulate a 68K Amiga running OS3.9 at usable speeds. Then? That's the past. Today and near future is PPC+OS4.. You can't emulate a PPC with a same MHz-ed x86. Not mentioning AltiVec, multipe processors (in which PPC's are also better than x86), etc.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 21 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Seb on 01-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (victor #):
Funny, I can already have at least 2 PPC OS's right now, no waiting, all without giving M$ a single penny.
I remember when Amiga said they'd be going PPC years ago, then not, and now they've decided they will once more.
Kinda reminds me of Ross Perot.
In the end, Amiga users will have too little too late I fear.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 22 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 01-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Seb):
>I remember when Amiga said they'd be going PPC years ago, then not,
>and now they've decided they will once more.
Yes, but those was different people, and different situation..
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 23 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Seb on 01-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (victor #):
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 24 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 01-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Seb):
I couldn't agree more! :)
( P.S. Translation: "The more things change, the more they stay the same" )
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 25 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by fleecy moss on 08-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anon User):
Amiga will lead by developing OS4, which will set the standard for all
development, including all access to any hardware subsystems, whether it be RTG, RTA, a gaming network protocol or whatever.
We are talking to all the remaining companies who are interested in supporting the Amiga, and that includes Hyperion, Elbox, Eyetech, Matay, bPlan. We also invite anyone who is interested in continuing to support the Amiga to contact us so that they can be a part of the future.
Hyperion and Elbox coming for an agreement : Comment 26 of 26ANN.lu
Posted by Volker Grabbe on 08-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Amifan):
Many PCs need PCI Grafikcards. If you have a low cost version with Intel i810/e or SIS 625 Chipset, there are NO AGP. The only choise for speeding up the 3D is an PCI Card. Creative Labs, Matrox, ATI and some noname firms rebuilding PCI Cards again. It is a big Market for Upgraders!
I think we say "thank you" to the people that have designet Low-Cost PCs that need modern PCI Grafikcards ;-)
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