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[News] AmigaDE GUI prototype picturesANN.lu
Posted on 14-Jun-2001 18:52 GMT by Christian Kemp25 comments
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Elwood wrote: "Check the first drawings of the GUI for AmigaDE. They are released by Fleecy Moss after a discussion on the A1 mailing list." [ Note that these are prototypes. - CK ]
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 1 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Alan Watson on 13-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Hmmm.Not sure about this.It`s all too rounded and flat looking.Looks
very similar to all the skins that are floating around for Window
Blinds for the PC.I hope they have drop shadows for windows/popup
menus by the time it`s ready.I`ve wanted drop shadows for wb windows
for a long time.The good bit is that you can create your own
skins.IMHO I still prefer the Mui/VisualPrefs/Birdie look.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 2 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 13-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alan Watson):
Remember: The whole thing is skinnable.
Even more pictures here:
http://www.aug99.com/exclusiv/guiamigaos.html
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 3 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 13-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Alan Watson):
Remember: The whole thing is skinnable.
Even more pictures here:
http://www.aug99.com/exclusiv/guiamigaos.html
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 4 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by X on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
Mikael,
I just don't get it, is this the new GUI for AmigaOS 4.0? I see
it says AmigaDE but I thought that DE would be integrated into
AmigaOS 4.x? Or was that 5.0?
Either way, what OS will be needed to run for example Matt Chaput's
mockup pics?
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 5 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Gary Peake on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (X):
Those words "mock ups" are important as are the word "skinnable". These are just mock ups that will be skinnable and in no way represent what we have decided to use as the GUI interface users will see.
They are merely examples of what can be done. There are several "skinz" developers also working with us so chances are that users will have a very wide variety of skins to use on whatever GUI we eventually decide on.
Sincerely,
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 6 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by kriz on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
wow, looking so good!!! Looking forward for Amiga Os 4.0 -> 4.2 . :)))
happy kriz.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 7 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (X):
I've read between the lines that AmigaInc will use a lot of the same SW code in AmigaDE and in OS4.x. I think that for example their sound system use the same code base for both versions and the same goes for the 3D libraries and other bits and pieces. That also explains more about the matter of taking the development "back in house".
But really, that is not from AmigaInc's mouth, so most likely it is not true...
At somepoint I heard that some ((minor)) parts of AmigaOS would go open source has anyone heard anything about that lately?
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 8 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (X):
Yes, they are AmigaDE concept pictures and should theoretically look the same on all platforms.
But...
I once asked fleecy this on the AmigaOne ML:
"What kind of environment will an Amigan experience, when he/she uses an OS4/4.2/4.5/5 machine? Will the end user be able to tell the difference between 68k programs, AmigaDE programs and (if such) OS4 native programs?"
fleecy:
"The idea is that they shouldn't."
So perhaps AmigaDE will be "extraordinarily camouflaged" into OS4.2+. :-)
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 9 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Henrik Mikael Kristensen):
Anybody else notice those pictures are the same ones, that were released last year, w/no changes whatsoever, at least get some artist to draw some new pictures.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 10 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Kjetil on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Nice GUI, I hope it’s possible to disable some of the effects, as they may slow down the OS.
and disable Start bar if you have a better one in mind.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 11 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by X on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Hmmm, these mock-ups are really ugly. Especially the two
with the MP3 player. It reminds me of these stupid LINUX gnome
(or whatever) themes. Blurgh... Ditch those prototypes, please..
However, I do like Matt Chaput's GUI. Just one minor detail, something
needs to be done about those two "diamonds" that acts as resizing
gadgets..
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 12 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by X on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (X):
Correction to my own post:
Of course :) I know it's still early days !! :)
So they'll have time to improve on it...
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 13 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Henrik Mikael Kristensen on 14-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (X):
Just shows how different we all are.
My opinion is completely the opposite: The first two, very refreshing, colorful and a well-composed GUI. As for the two screenshots of a GUI looking like a dull, greyish VisualPrefs on steroids at the bottom... well... :-)
Fortunately the damn thing is skinnable.
BTW: How do we skin the GUI? Is it some kind of XML-format as in WinXP or how?
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 14 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (anonymous):
According to Fleecy: "Please be aware that the DE mockup was drawn about 9 months ago"
With that being said, the DE's GUI is skinnable so that design is available if you want it. I'm curious as to how the GUI is skinned though and if all of the elements of the GUI can be placed in any area we want
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 15 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Titof on 15-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
What's that thing ? Really Ugly it's look like Windoze XP !!!!
Keep the spirit of the Amiga please !!!
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 16 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 15-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
According to Gary Peake, only the GUI shown on the Amiga Inc website
(Party Pack page) is official. And that is just an interim version
which will change soon.
All the rest are just designs which have been shown for consideration,
or not even shown.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 17 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Michael Taylor on 15-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (kriz):
I'm sorry, but those mock ups are UGLY!! Thank goodness they ARE just examples. Reminds me a bit of winblows & Mac. Skins, however are a great idea. :)
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 18 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by badl on 15-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Those mockup ups are a joke, who is amiga inc trying to be? a bunch of foolish
rouges, or be a professional international company? This gui does not say that!
Any one with a few skills in a good paint package could paint up a better
concept in half a day!!
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 19 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Gary Peake on 16-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (badl):
Funny you should say that. All the mock ups (prototypes) I have seen have been done by many in the Amiga community who are decent Amiga GUI artists using more than standard paint programs. :)
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 20 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 16-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (badl):
> Those mockup ups are a joke, who is amiga inc trying to be? a bunch of
> foolish rouges, or be a professional international company? This gui does not
> say that!
So what are you saying, Amiga is not a bunch of foolish rogues nor are they a professional international company? Well, I have to agree with you if that's the case. <opinion>What they are is a group of people as a company that have a really high potential to excell in the software industry on a platform that isn't fully cohesive yet.</opinion>
Two words: 9-months-old and skinnable. You fill in the gaps.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 21 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Ach... I think it looks completely ridiculous. Toy-like. If the GUI is totally customizable, I'll certainly get rid of the default look right away.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 22 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by skal on 16-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Some of you people *really* need to get out more, take your meds or both.
Skinnable means that another group of people in the Amiga Community will be able to offer their time and talents to make the AmigaOS/De even *more* choices in GUI design and aesthetics.
I get the feeling that some of you might not know what "skinnable" means. Well, get yer' happy asses over to skinnerZ sites like http://www.wincustomize.com or http://www.deviantart.com and *see* what skinning has offered in the way of almost unlimited choices in GUI design and aesthetics, to the users of M$ products. With this feature, not only will you be able to make your Workbench of The New Milleneum look like *anything you want*, but the traditionally rich subset of the Amiga Community, the artistically talented, will be able to make some real contributions to the look and feel of the OS. The rest of us will have *choices*, choices we can change once an hour, or never, once we find a theme we like. This one feature also has the real potential to *attract* many talented people from the skinnerZ community, people who just might be interested in expanding their horizons. If the Amiga Community can attract a few artists from there, artists like Alexandrie(Who has made a GRUNCH of Windowsblind skins that look strangely like a workbench we all love), Dangeruss or Essorant, then we will have some of the premier GUI aesthetic designers, on the planet, in our court.
Of course, some of you would prolly not like to see that happen, as your fundamental attitudes about all this tend to run towards seeing SnoTown hit by an asteroid as progress...<sigh>
To those, I say "Bon Chance". Because your attitudes tend towards the unrealistic and delusional.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 23 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by badl on 17-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
skinable or not skinable, any os/gui has to ship with a default skin, if these protoypes are a representation of a default skin, all they could fool are 5 year olds, as the krass concept is of the same level of those learning packages for children of that age.
(in reply to comment 19). well weather you believe your statement or not, such a statement tells me that if you consider this good design, you obviously have little or no standards, such a pity as this would reflect in your work with amiga inc!
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 24 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by skal on 20-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (badl):
>skinable or not skinable, any os/gui has to ship with a default skin, if these >protoypes are a representation of a default skin, all they could fool are 5 >year olds, as the krass concept is of the same level of those learning >packages for children of that age.
Please, kind sir, just where, if *ANYWHERE*(!), did you read that these concept skins represented the final version of the default GUI design? Or is it appropriate to call in an air strike, on your location, with a Fuel-Air munition loaded with Preparation H?
You seem to be stuck, in an obsessive-compulsive manner, on the faint and unlikely possibility that this somehow represents the final version of the GUI design, and that AI, in some fit of gross misguidedness and incipient stupidity, should stop all development and hold some kind on in-house skinning contest, until someone comes up with the final design, kind of like the old "Million Monkeys, Million Typewriters" kind of thing. I mean, who needs the damned thing to work. Just as long as it looks good: good being quite subjective and your idea of good possibly being not one bit the same as anyone else on the planet, a possibility I am quite prepared to consider.
But consider this, oh exercised one: Let's say the thing is skinnable from soup to nuts, world+spavined dog. Let's say they want to ship this thing with a *SELECTION* of looks that the users can choose from at any point after installation. Let's say that their hearts are also pumping blood to their brains and they see such a situation offers them a way to make some points in a completely different market: the sK1nN3rZ community. Let's say that to make some waves there, they decide to run a contest, where the 5-10 top submitted skins become the core of the skins that ship to end users, in the OS installation. Lets say that in the skinnerZ community, this causes a lot of interest and a epidemic-scale outbreak of tumescence in that market?
Let's say.
Perhaps you could be so kind as to try and poke holes in such a scenario? Don't get a hernia in the process.
>(in reply to comment 19). well weather you believe your statement or not, such >a statement tells me that if you consider this good design, you obviously have >little or no standards, such a pity as this would reflect in your work with >amiga inc!
<ahem> Ohhhhhh, Slaaaappy! Come back to earrrrrth! It's a conceptual design. Please, do yourself a favor: look up conceptual. Plenty of places on the web where you can get a clear, concise and correct definition of the word.
Your digestive tract will thank you, as many others of the assembled will no doubt do, also.
AmigaDE GUI prototype pictures : Comment 25 of 25ANN.lu
Posted by badl on 21-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (skal):
Your statements are misleading, as it was not said that these concepts were
believed to be a representation of the final design, but a representation or
concept of a possible final design.
Conceptual design is dependent upon your standards, the difference between good
and bad design is 0.05mm, those who can't see that difference don't know design.
such that it is, good design is bad design and bad design good. unfortunate that
it is, that good design is the difference of 1 meter.
do not worry if you don't understand for it is bad design that is standing in
the way.
:)
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