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[News] EyeTech update AmigaOne TimelineANN.lu
Posted on 27-Jun-2001 13:36 GMT by Christian Kemp29 comments
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EyeTech have updated the AmigaOne Timeline. Several items are already "complete", with AmigaOne-1200 boards and OS4.0 available to dealers scheduled for 1st week October.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 1 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
First it was Summer 2001
Then it was August
and Now October!
is it the boxer all over again??
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 2 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by MikeyC on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Anonymous):
I see the Trolls and Fools are out after all! :)
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 3 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (MikeyC):
Mike, dont be a plank. In this society there has to be reasonable level of cynicism
towards vendors - its how they are kept honest.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 4 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Hey, Guess what, I'm not the plank posting Anonymously.
- Or is it that only those who fear of being ridiculed, don't type their names?
I reckon the real reason is that they are afraid to nail the colours to the mast,
because once the A1 and AOS4.0 comes out, they don't want people to give them that
"knowing smile"
What do you think?
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 5 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Navvie on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Interesting how this announcement comes *after* the Party Pack.
MikeyC, because people will be pissed off and will post messages to that effect, this makes them a troll? Please get a clue...
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 6 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Navvie):
Navie,
Hey, Don't get me wrong, I am as dissapointed as the next guy, I want an AmigaOne like yesterday!
But, At the end of the day, it's only a 2 month slip from August to October, We are getting SCSI support
(which wasn't on the original plan I think) as well as Virtual memory and tons of other enhancements and implemetation
to AOS4.0.
It's either, wait, or dump my existing Amiga Setup and use Windows or Mac.
- (Both of which I own, but still prefer my Amiga)
Personally, I can wait a while more, what the heck! Nothing to lose.
Mikey C
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 7 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Lancelot Du Lac on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Navvie):
> Interesting how this announcement comes *after* the
> Party Pack.
> MikeyC, because people will be pissed off and will
> post messages to that effect, this makes them a troll?
> Please get a clue...
Not certain what this really has to do with the party pack. Either way if you choose the 100 dollar Amiga One discount, you will receive it regardless if the Amiga One comes out this summer or October 1st. The only way you won't receive the discount is if Amiga goes bust and the Amiga One does not come out, if that happens then all complaints WILL BE JUSTIFIED and will not be trollish, but not until then. And if you really think theres a good reason to complain about it now then I can agree with you IF, and only IF, you can show me a major piece of computer technology that has not had any date slippage in the IT world. Let see, was W2K on time? OSX, was that on time? Was SONY able to get the PS2 out on time? Even when Sony did release it, they could not get enough out to meet demand. If the big boys can not release the stuff on time, how can we really expect the little boys to do it?
As long as they can get the Amiga One out in time and with a big enough supply to meet demand during the Christmas shopping season, I think they will do fine. If they can not get the stuff out by the Christmas shopping season, then I have serious doubts about them being able to complete their task at hand at all.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 8 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Ben on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
A complaint that is justified is that this all makes Amiga look like a hardware focused company...
I think the bottom line here is that due to August being written out of the calender nobody can tell if things are on track until September.
I guess it at least gives people more time to play with the SDK! ;)
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 9 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
I will feel myself much better after they pass the memory-controller logic test a month after. Do you remember that the Escena G3-card just failed on it?
BTW, AFAIK the BoXeR is also almost ready, but they are still working on the debugging of... guess what... the core logic.
Anyway, good luck!
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 10 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mikey C):
Theres nothing to do with nailing colours to the mast in the post you refer to Mike
it is pointing out that you were being rather obnoxious and is right to do so.
As for posting anonymously, does it matter? I am. If you think anonymity means that you
cannot have an opinion or be right you are further gone to Usenet Fairyland than your pre-flame flame tactics
in the original posts to unmoderated made out.
Grow up and stop trying to cause further division in the community, reminds me of those fools that wanted to ban
those or remove post of those labelled "heretics" of the great Amiga vision.
Very very ugly Mike. Dont join that camp.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 11 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Greg Hayes on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Lancelot Du Lac):
I cannot help but think that the first computer company that announces a schedule and keeps it will conquer the world. If "we aren't shipping on schedule because we're adding A,B,C" is a smokescreen, it will become apparent soon enough.
This Christmas is it for me. If the A1-1200 isn't shipping by then, I'm moving on.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 12 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Schüler on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (victor #):
> I will feel myself much better after they pass the memory-controller
> logic test a month after.
We of course feel the same, but that feeling is far not that big compared when (successfully) testing the memory controller one-and-a-half year ago in our PowerPC POS system.
> Do you remember that the Escena G3-card just failed on it?
But this is not true. You are mixing up with Metabox.
Martin Schüler
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 13 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (victor #):
Are you sure it was the Escena card that had problems regarding the memory controller?
I think it was the Amijoe cards from Metabox, but I am not 100% sure.
Anyway, I am sure AmigaOne will not end up like the Boxer, it will come (boxer won't).
I'd also rather see a complete product released, than one released in a hurry with all these free extra features (bugs).
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 14 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 26-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Heh Always makes me laugh watching the supposed "holy" Amiga users have a spat.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 15 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Sinan Gürkan on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Hi
World would be a better place if Eyetech/Escena and BPlan engineers had shared
their know-how...
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 16 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
There's a big difference if we compare Boxer to AmigaOne...
AmigaOne doesn't contain any of "old legacy Amiga stuff" Like AGA and other custom chips only bus to old 'crappy' stuff ;)
AmigaOne is much simpler and it might even 'learn' something from POP (Powerpc Open Platform) which was killed...but there's still OpenPPC:
http://www.openppc.org/pop/download.phtml
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 17 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by m0ns00n on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
I am just concearned with the way things are going. Amiga still have no style, and their partners are too small to make a differense. They have also made other people's opinion about Amiga even worse.
I'm not sure about them any more.
I gotta check out AROS..
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 18 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anonymous):
"Holy Amiga" users? Do you have us mixed up with some west Texas cult?
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 19 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Mikey C):
"Trolls and Fools" eh? You will be saying "Pressure in the community and big business is causing
me to lose money on the VIC" next.
Dont be another Tim Rue
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 20 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Steffen Haeuser on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (victor #):
Hi!
>I will feel myself much better after they pass the memory-controller logic test >a month after. Do you remember that the Escena G3-card just failed on it?
Not the Escena card, the M@tabox card failed on it. And the reason was probably that the AmiJoe was not developed full time, but by one developer in his freetime. This is of course different for the AmigaOne.
Steffen Haeuser
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 21 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperio,n on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (victor #):
You're mixing it up with the Metabox G3 card.
The Escena memory controller is tried and tested technology which was implemented in a PPC based embedded system.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 22 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anonymous):
Okay, time to set the record straight.
When I posted the original news item, I meant it with a slight tongue in
cheek attitude. At the same time though, I was having a Dig.
Everytime something goes wrong or there is a delay with some Amiga related
project or other, the "Whiney old gits" brigade come out and start spreading
their Doom and Gloom" scenarios.
These are the same type of personality which in days gone by, would have gone
around shouting "The Sky is falling!" at the first sign of a falling snow flake!
I defend the right, of everyone to express an opinion, including the "whiney old gits".
It's just that everytime something like this happens, they come out of the
woodwork, where they have been lurking, praying that something like
this happens so that they get the chance to say "I told you so!"
Boring, Dull and predicatable, it become tiresome a long time ago.
Can't they ever say anything positive?
Do they ever say anything positive?
- IMHO No, they can only destroy and doom monger.
After all as Fleecy said in his column on Amiga Active
these people have an Agenda to destroy, rather than create.
We shouldn't really pay any attention, to these people who make it their business
to spread misinformation and sow the seed of mistrust. They have their own aganda.
Bottom Line.
Yes The Amiga One has been delayed, Yes, it is Annoying, Yes, we all want one now!
But at the end of the day, it is delayed by only Two months - Two months!
The AmigaOne and AOS4.0 Will come out, and I am willing to bet that It will be available
by late October this year.
- If it isn't, I'll eat humble pie. and Publicly too.
In the meantime, can we please get behind and encourage the people who are working hard to
bring us the first new Amiga in nearly a decade? Please?
Finally to the Doom Mongers, I say, please try to build enthusiasm rather than destroy.
Mikey C
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 23 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by David Pitcher on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mikey C):
Mike(y?)
You make some reasonable points, however I would be very careful of suggesting that people that complain have some kind of agenda.
That is total hogwash spread by a certain propagandist who is trying to unite the community ( very noble I'm sure ) but in the process has alienated those that wish to hold suppliers to account over broken promises and committments.
I have said in the past that Amiga has made mistakes, others have too and that is just human. I happen to think they are an excellent company and I am doing my best to help them ( ask Gary ) in as big a way I can whilst they are the size they are with the clientele they have.
I have rarely read an unreasonable post on *here* at least that I could lay at the door of those with a hidden agenda - what hidden agenda could there be.
This brings me to my first question of you ( and Fleecy who has apparently really annoyed a lot of Amiga supporters by this comment in the referenced article and earlier statements ) - what possible agenda do you think these people have?
As for tongue in cheek, no, it was not, and you clearly contradict yourself by pointing out that you had serious intent by saying this. Next time if you are really being tongue in cheek make it clear. I know the internet is a hard media to express moods and emotions but there are guidelines out there.
This brings me to my second question of you. Do you think that all members of the Amiga community should not show any dissent, cynicism or express any healthy criticism of the companies that are selling products to them?
That would be bordering on strange and sinister oppression of views that I do not wish to be a part of. I think consumers have the right to criticise and companies the right to reply. Bad companies suppress messages they do not wish to hear ( bad because it gives undue publicity to the message, but also companies should listen and respond with enlightened attitudes always ).
Sure, we need to back up Amiga when it is doing the right thing, but we also need to be able to tell them when they are wrong or in danger of losing out. Sometimes people will do this in a very destructive way ( openly flaming and using childish language and innuendo on a public forum like ANN ) but others will take a more mature, constructive view and contact excellent people like Bill, Randy and Gary directly. Amiga and others have the right to ignore if they cannot reveal the "bigger picture" for business reasons which might answer concerns.
Also, let me add that I find it very irritating that false rumours are constantly spread about Amiga and other companies in the Amiga marketplace. This does more damage than so called "dissent". That of course is why Christian was right to have an unmoderated section and a moderated section for news that he and his peers have checked out.
Regardless of this I would be heartily against any supression of views subversive or otherwise. I will always criticise those that hope to suppress or ridicule ( e.g. as "trolls", "planks" etc ) alternate opinions to their own.
This is why I, and others found your approach to be objectionable.
Dave Pitcher
* Disclaimer:Not representing views of employer *
Here is my email ( above ) so you can respond directly to me if you wish.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 24 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (David Pitcher):
Dave.
Thank you for posting a sane and rational critisicm of my comment above.
On the whole, yes I see you your point, yes, perhaps I did
contradict myself on the tongue in cheek issue, but I will re-iterate that
I did genuinely mean it as tongue in cheek whilst still having a dig.
On the Aganda issue, I side with Fleecy, true, there are people out there
who have no hidden agendas, but every now and then I see posts by some
people that make me go hmmm. (If you know what I mean)
It isn't my intention to "silence" those who doom monger, or seek to
silence constructive criticism. It is when the criticism isn't justified.
Remember the arguments expressed by people after Bill McEwens announcement?
"Amiga have gone back on their word", "Sold us out" etc. And in the end the only
changes (in essence) was the new lease of life to Amiga OS.
- Admittedly, Amiga can't make a decent press announcement for toffee.
Same thing with the delay to the AmigaOne, It's only a two month delay, yet some
people are almost baying for blood already!
At the end of the day we are getting a better tested product as well as..
* OS4 which is no longer just going to be a direct PPC port of OS3.9)
* Enhanced AmigaOne etc.
Why bother whinging? It's only sixty days more.
- As I have stated, I think they will deliver around the October period. (just a gut feeling)
By all means criticise, but do it constructively.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 25 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Dave on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Mikey C):
Mikey
Thanks for your response. I think we are both on the same page now.
I understand your point about irrational posting, I lash out against that myself. I must lead a sheltered life since ignoring comp.sys.amiga.misc ( nearly three years and counting ! ) because I havent seen any posts that make me think there is a hidden agenda. There are a few total idiots out there but I think they are too clueless to have an agenda ;-)
What I will say is that the Amiga userbase is now more robust than it ever was. There was a point where certain Amiga magazines - at least in the UK - were afraid of criticising vendors, software developers or anyone frankly because they were either drummed out of the market or the vendor got indignant and upped and left. Hopefully you know the incidents I am alluding to.
Plus, in the bad old days you couldnt say anything negative about the Amiga or its vendors ( apart from in comp.sys.amiga.misc where bashing is done as a hobby ) without being flamed by irrational defenders of the MCIBTYC and "Believe in Collas/Viscorp/Amiga/Gateway" brigades. There was also some very outrageous reaction to those Amiga based development/production shops that branched out into PC ware to cross subsidise their Amiga investments until they turned around. Now it is accepted, users are starting to lose their self centered attitude - the religious blindness perhaps - and starting to understand and appreciate real business decisions.
The whole period of 1994 to 1999 was infected with this kind of sickness and rot. :-(
Believe it or not, the Amiga marketplace to outside viewers ( of the enlightened sort ( e.g. those that dont lamer on Slashdot/c.s.a.m ;-) ) ) is starting to shape up and could, given the right TLC grow into a significant market again.
Once in a while you will see people post "Amiga is dead, join platform [x] its the only way if it isnt development methodology [y] then its a crime against humanity". These sad misguided souls may be whom you are alluding to, but I would say to you that it is a compliment that they continue to do so.
Example data for above:
[x]{ Windows, Linux, BSD }
[y]{ Open Source, GPL, CamelWare ( ok I made that last up ) }
There are valuable skills in the Amiga community, not least the skill to select an operating system that is elegant, fast and fun to use.
Id like you to send or post references ( I can understand if you want to send private email on this - some will just get annoyed if you refer to their posts ) so I can get some context on what you are talking about as per agenda.
I, for one am looking forward to the release of AmigaOne. I now own three copies of the SDK and am porting some serious applications. I am also porting big end open source applications onto OS3.5 ( I havent yet got around to OS3.9 ) such as StarOffice, Mozilla and more.
I am also responsible for quite a lot of anonymous posts that are supportive of Amiga, Eyetech, Hyperion and others.
But, I will not talk about release dates or promise anything. Why? I do it for my own use and if I finish it and think it would be usable to others then I will fold changes back into the main distributions. This used to be the ethos behind Shareware back in the good old days.
I digress.
Let them say what they like Mikey, the market is robust enough to take it now and the future looks bright, regardless of how long we have to wait.
Dave.
* Disclaimer: Not representing views of employer *
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 26 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by TimeWillTell on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
Healthy dissension has lead to a significantly improved set
of goals for Amiga. And the final product if executed
properly should be far more usable than the original
pachwork plan. While it is justifiable and important to
question the practices and direction of some of the
develo[ers and suppliers to the Amiga community
including Amiga itself, there is absolutely NO value in
blasting them because of delays of this nature.
These types of assaults on the character of Amiga always
imply that the community is being screwed, and that
Amiga is somehow benefitting financially or in some other
way from these delays. Does anyone really believe that
Amiga or Eyetech would not like to be releasing the OS4
and A1 package at Amiwest.
I would say that Bill and Fleecy were naive in estimating
the cohesiveness of the Amiga community and therefore
Amiga's abillity to pull all of the talent together and get
The Job done. Additionally I believe they underestimated
the size of the job at hand.
The upside of this is that I don't think they would have
tried if they had realized how difficult it would be to pool
the talents of all the people necessary to make this happen.
Nor would they have been able to get the necessary capital
together to make it happen. That being the case, we
wouldn't be having this discussion on the value being
supportive of their efforts.
Whereas I am as frusrtated by the delays attendant to this
process of improvement, I am ever more convinced about
the value of the coming products. The entire community is
energised to action and the path does seem to lead up and
out of the this low place that we all got to with the shutting
down of Commodore and the betrayal by Gateway (can't
wait to here Alan's story at Amiwest).
I believe it is time for the entire community to acknowledge
and applaud the yeoman like effort that has been put forth
to this point then to hold our breath for a mere three
months and see what we have. At that time there will be
plenty of opportunity for "I told you so" from anyone who
feels inclined to crow. Me? I am hoping to be busy using
the end result of a tremendous project that will have come
together in less than than two years from inception. What a
concept!
But then only TimeWillTell.
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 27 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Martin Schüler):
I see. I'm sorry!
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 28 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 27-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Anonymous):
>AmigaOne doesn't contain any of "old legacy Amiga stuff" Like AGA and other custom chips
Nor the BoXeR. Only (fast) AGA emulation logic in modern programmable chips (like those on the A1).
[No, I don't prefer the BoXeR, I just think it would be a good alternative for those who want to use AGA-dependant apps, especially faster than the original.]
EyeTech update AmigaOne Timeline : Comment 29 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Navvie on 28-Jun-2001 22:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Mikey C):
I gotta ask, why should we nay-sayers, try and build enthusiasm for something, that we ourselves have little to no enthusiasm for?
That is, IMO, the major problem with the Amiga Community. So long has it been waiting for "something", that people are enthusiastic for anything bearing the Amiga name.
If I don't like something, I owe it to myself - and to anybody who asks my opinion (eg in my usergroup), to be honest.
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