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[News] Amiga 2001 news update (updated)ANN.lu
Posted on 18-Nov-2001 15:07 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä69 comments
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Some news gathered from several sources attending the show.

A complete Pegasos-based computer system that will be on sale next year will cost approximately 1000 euro (~$900). The motherboards will also be available separately.

Hyperion and Haage & Partner are developing AmigaOS 4 with several other developers. New features include:

  • PPC native Picasso96
  • New Warp3D with "Matrox-, Permedia3- and Radeon1/2-support"
  • Generic PCI-drivers
  • USB-support
  • BlizzardPPC-support evaluated
  • Integrated 68k-emulation
  • PPC datatypes
  • Price: approximately the same as OS3.9
  • Initial release planned for February
Hyperion also told that they've been talking with both Elbox and BPlan and that they want to have versions of AmigaOS 4 for the SharkPPC and Pegasos.

[The original item I posted had some mistakes in it, and since amiga-news.de even took down the article I used as a primary source, I decided to repost the item edited - Teemu] [I merged new article and old comments - CK]

Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 1 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 14:15 GMT
WHAAAAAT!!!! (HAPPY, HAPPY, JOY, JOY.... ;))
Too good to be true.
AmigaDE for Amiga OS already in January 2002?
Runs also on BlizzardPPC cards ?!!
"there will be versions of AmigaOS 4 for the SharkPPC and Pegasos" ???
Naaah, that's it, can not be true, you were just teasing...
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 2 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Nov-2001 14:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
Now all the community has to do is to stop flaming the Hyperion crew long enough for them to actually spend some time coding instead of having to continually post on ANN/Amiga.Org/Mailing Lists/etc to defend their honour/squash rumours...
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 3 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 18-Nov-2001 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
The news haven't been confirmed from official sources yet, there could be misunderstandings, wrong translations (my deutsch isn't perfect :) etc. So, don't start holding your breath just yet.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 4 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Nov-2001 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Oh bugger. You just urinated on my bonfire :(
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 5 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
Morjens, Teemu
"So, don't start holding your breath just yet."
Do not worry, I'm not going to.
But if those news get confirmed, the clouds in the Amiga sky seem a little bit thinner. =)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 6 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 18-Nov-2001 14:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Teemu I. Yliselä):
It looks like Hyperion doesn't care about hardware, they do OS4 for
the hardware which is available. So they start with CybPPC and
BlizzPPC. If there will be AmigaOne then they will port it, if
there will be SharkPPC then they will port it, if there will be
Pegasos then they try to port it.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 7 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 18-Nov-2001 14:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (David Scheibler):
A commendable attitude from Hyperion... now let's get behind them on this.
It amazed me earlier in the year how the rift between Hyperion and Elbox made people think that WarpOS would never appear on the Mediator. However, a few months later a truce was signed and now the Hyperion team are regulars on the Mediator mailing list assisting users with WarpOS questions.
It's professional business practices such as this that seem to slip by without comment. Hyperion have shown that they can be willing to bury the hatchet in order to move on yet people still try and throw muck in their direction.
There's a lession to be learned here for all the remaining companies in the Amiga market... but for some I feel "further education" is a lost cause.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 8 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mr.Return on 18-Nov-2001 14:54 GMT
Some points are not correct (According to Ben's presentation):
- It is planned to finish it in February 2002
- There will be no AmigaDE in OS4.0 but in a later update
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 9 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 15:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Darrin):
"It amazed me earlier in the year how the rift between Hyperion and Elbox made people think that WarpOS would never appear on the Mediator. However, a few months later a truce was signed and now the Hyperion team are regulars on the Mediator mailing list assisting users with WarpOS questions. "
Surely you were talking about Warp3D.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 10 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Eva on 18-Nov-2001 15:06 GMT
January... ahahah but at Hyperion things that we are so stupid???
An operative sistem will be created, BETATESTED and DELIVERED in 3-4 months???
Ok. Good luck. For MArch I will have my Pegasos with a real functional operative system.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 11 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Nov-2001 15:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (priest):
>"there will be versions of AmigaOS 4 for the SharkPPC and Pegasos" ???
This is not entirely true: What Ben said is that they will support as much PPC hardware as possible (and if the performance is satisfying)
They WANT to support the Pegasos although some ppl said they would prevent the Pegasos to run AmigaOS4.0
A version of AmigaOS4.0 for the SharkPPC is not really a supprise since Elbox an AmigaInc have an agreement for AmigaOS4 supporting AmigaOS according to this pressrelease of Elbox and AmigaInc:
11 April 2001
"Amiga Inc and Elbox working together for Amiga OS 4.0 and beyond"
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 12 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 18-Nov-2001 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Amifan):
Ben hermans said clearly (and his ScalaMM sheet too) that its initial version is planned for February 2002, not Januari 2002
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 13 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 18-Nov-2001 15:21 GMT
<_4pLaY_> hey dude! is this true? "Hyperion also told that they've been talking with both Elbox and BPlan and that there will be versions of AmigaOS 4 for the SharkPPC and Pegasos."
<laire> they can buy the HW like every user..we can't stop that
<_4pLaY_> Hmm okei! but will you try to stop them from making OS4 for it?
<laire> what users do with their systems is their problem.
So it seems there WILL be OS4 on Pegasos also! ohh whell now only Hyperion knows 100% for sure.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 14 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mr.Return on 18-Nov-2001 15:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
Development did already start a long time ago, even if some individuals are trying to convince people of the opposite
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 15 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 18-Nov-2001 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Amifan):
Laire already said (on IRC) that they could port it if they buy a DEV
board and licence the HW docs.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 16 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 15:43 GMT
How about a version of AmigaOS4 for Totalimpact 4xG4 -card, running on PCI daughterboard, like Mediator...
If not, then WHY NOT?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 17 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2001 15:46 GMT
confuseious say....:)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 18 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 15:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (priest):
See www.totalimpact.com/G3_MP.html or so for further info.
Yeah, WHY NOT?
And if not AmigaOS, then MorphOS.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 19 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 18-Nov-2001 15:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
But earlier Laire has also said that they would never be allowed to do AmigaOS4.0+ for the Pegasos.
Nice to see he has changed his mind...
Troels E
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 20 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Hagge on 18-Nov-2001 15:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
Stuff has been made before..
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 21 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Troels Ersking on 18-Nov-2001 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (priest):
What would you use such a monster for?
There are no programs available that would benefit enough to justify the cost of such a setup. Maybe later on but not for now.
Check the price on that card and realise that (almost)no-one will be able to afford it....
Best Regards
Troels E
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 22 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 18-Nov-2001 16:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Troels Ersking):
Yeah, I know it is pricey and yeah, that would make it not worthwhile. :(
Surely there is no current apps that could use it but I think something like Realsoft3D would benefit from such a beast and perhaps some non-linear video editing tools, in future.
Imagine how cool it would be to arrange some rendering demos in some conventions with such beasts...
Have anyone heard about those PPC accelerators that were supposed to be made by Microcode Solutions?
Last I've heard is:
June 9th, 2001 - Today, Microcode Solutions received our first working prototype PowerPC board. This concludes nearly 4 months worth of design and negotiations.
The board plugs into your PC, Amiga, or any other PCI based machine, and uses a high speed PowerPC processor with two RAM sockets, allowing up to 1GB of RAM to be placed on the board!
http://www.microcode-solutions.com/home.htm
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 23 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 18-Nov-2001 17:01 GMT
What will this OS4 look like ??
is it a ported 3.9 or what ?!?!
What GUI-system ?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 24 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Nov-2001 17:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
Microcode Solutions? Yea, they mentioned PPC at some point, but this is Jim Drew remember.
Wait another year and a half and there might be something said again.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 25 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Bladerunner on 18-Nov-2001 17:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
Believe me, you could make your own "beast" as well, using the pegasos.. pegasos
and MOS is able to work as a big cluster system, conected via firewire..
Thomas Knäbel told that iit is possible to conect as many pegasos via firewire as you want
and MOS ssupport this! Think about 10 Pegasos all equipped with a dual G4 Board *hehe*
That is what I would call aa beast.. OK must be verry expensive.. but this would be relly nice! *g*
So in future , there are Lan Parties not only for playing but for cluster rendering or something else :-))))
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 26 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 18-Nov-2001 18:30 GMT
radeon support? cool...
elektro
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 27 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ferry on 18-Nov-2001 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (priest):
I've been not able to enter http://www.microcode-solutions.com/home.htm
Saluditos,
Ferran.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 28 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Elwood on 18-Nov-2001 19:17 GMT
>-Should work with ALL PPC-Amigas
Absolutely false. Cyberstorm systems will be supported.
Blizzard systems support is being estimated...
>-AmigaDE
Completely false.
>-Release planned for January
False. First versions for February. I think it means
beta versions...
Teemu, it seems that you were not at the WoA :)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 29 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Truthsayer on 18-Nov-2001 19:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
Listen they had to make it do all this stuff becasue they wouldnt be able to sell at least 60k oses. Now as asr as to say hey they just started . How dumb are you . They have been working on this alot longer . This is going to be a bigger change then from 3.0 to 3.9.My GOD some people in the community still dont listen and yet jump ship or belive in the pc way of things. One wonders why they belive in what they belive. The answer is simple they dont study the true acts about system spec and archtiecture. Then they or other of their kind blast the people that are making os 4.0 when they were ask to make the os. Dam these idiots are what cause the woes of society on a whole. I sometimes wonder maybe they should have been crammed into the two towers when they went down. %^)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 30 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 18-Nov-2001 20:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (Leif):
Hi,
this is not OS 3.9 being ported but the first step of the OS evolution to the PPC.
Basicly it's a new Exec for PPC with a fast JIT 68k emulator for old 68k apps.
The graphic system will rely on a native version of Picasso 96.
Regards
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 31 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 18-Nov-2001 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Truthsayer):
This is deeply offensive, think before you post.
I'm in the UK! Just think how this comes across to readers in the US
or even NY.
Holding back on expressing what I really think!
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 32 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 18-Nov-2001 20:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
Any comment on the list in the news story?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 33 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 18-Nov-2001 20:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Eva):
We said that we will have an initial version of the OS 4 in February. Nothing more.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 34 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 18-Nov-2001 20:33 GMT
About Blizzard PPC : we are definitely considering making OS 4.0 for BlizzardPPC. This makes sense according to the number of BlizzarPPC actually running out there and we see no reason to exclude this hardware.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 35 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 18-Nov-2001 20:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Truthsayer):
You think you're funny? You think 5K people dying in NY is something to joke about?
Sorry pal, not funny. Go F*** yourself. How old are you? 9? Your parent shouldn't
let your snot nosed ass on the computer.
Come down to florida so I can put my size 13 boot up your ass.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 36 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 02:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (redrumloa):
Hey if it was MS's buildings which got nuked by the airplanes i dont think many of us would be upset by it... :)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 37 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 03:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
>Basicly it's a new Exec for PPC with a fast JIT 68k emulator for old 68k apps.
>The graphic system will rely on a native version of Picasso 96.
Hey, just like MorphOS - only it is native CGFX instead of P96.
Ben, I am very sad your boss couldn't even acknowledge the fact that MorphOS
has JIT emul when doing his OS4 seminar yesterday.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 38 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-Nov-2001 03:24 GMT
>1000 euro (~$1080).
This is wrong - 1000 Euro are ~$885 (and that's _with_ tax).
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 39 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Rick Pezzimenti on 19-Nov-2001 04:42 GMT
Just out of curiosity, with all the changes that have occured since the AmigaDE Party Pack was released, those people who opted to get AmigaOS 4 free as part of the special deal, will this still be honored?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 40 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 19-Nov-2001 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Bladerunner):
That total impact card starts to sound appealing, rather than clusterising those $1000 boxes... 8)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 41 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mad Dr. Z on 19-Nov-2001 06:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (priest):
Cool, but looks overpricey to be useful.
Has any one seen any thing like this for X86?
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 42 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mad Dr. Z on 19-Nov-2001 06:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Troels Ersking):
Any thing that involves insane amount of math all ways benefits from a bigger thing to whack it with. :)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 43 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Yoris/Hyperion on 19-Nov-2001 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
Hi Anonymous :)
Well I don't know if Ben Hermans knows or ignore that Morphos has a fully working JIT, but I guess Morphos people demonstrated it enough on the show to convince people.
So yes, Morphos also has a fast JIT emulator.
Regards
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 44 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Sotiris Papageorgiou on 19-Nov-2001 08:33 GMT
If os4 is ported to sharkppc,pegaso,amione and every ppc hardware then hyperion will gain bigger user base for os4 so morphos team will have to do the same to wide-up their compatible hardware.
Well i believe that this is what we were dreaming of,a freedom of choice to choose the hardware you like without loosing your preffered os or have both of them and see which is more powerfull!
Well i fell more confident in hyperion as they seem very open to support every amiga-like attempt throught os4 and but do they have the time and resources to develop os4,ported to different hardware,develop games,bugfixing support to users and keep developing all their projects?I wish them my best and i will support them by buying their games for start
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 45 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 19-Nov-2001 08:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Anonymous):
>Hey if it was MS's buildings which got nuked by the airplanes i dont think
>many of us would be upset by it... :)
So your hatred of Microsoft extends to make it ok in your mind to kill innocent people, just becasue they happen to work for Microsoft?
This is the kind of fanaticsm we're fighting against. There is something seriously wrong with you.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 46 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by John Block on 19-Nov-2001 09:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (smithy):
When we examine the philosopy of microsoft there is a lot of good in
it.
There's idealism about empowerment and the spread of
computers as a tool for the individual.
These people see themselves as changing the world and making a
difference.
There's a disconnect between people who are trying to make cool
software and business practices.
When we look at reported Microsoft employment practices that
disconnect becomes clearer
Anyhow, Microsoft are putting money into the pocket of a localish
bread delivery man. (A guy in Park Royal, London wrote Ray of light
about 10 years ago)
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 47 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 19-Nov-2001 09:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (smithy):
I bet you didn't see the trailing smiley in that bloke's post.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 48 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Mr.Return on 19-Nov-2001 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Ben Yoris/Hyperion):
I think he didn't know, but the solutions have totally different concepts anyway
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 49 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 19-Nov-2001 11:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
I'm very sad MorphOS supporters always fail to post under their name.
I never said MorphOS had no JIT, I said the benchmarks I was presenting were taken from a system running the MorphOS interpreter and that the H&P interpreter yielded the same results.
AFAIK the MorphOS JIT is not publicly available otherwise we would have used that as a benchmark.
Amiga 2001 news update (updated) : Comment 50 of 69ANN.lu
Posted by Teemu I. Yliselä on 19-Nov-2001 13:20 GMT
Ok, so the amiga-news.de article I'm talking about is back up again... :)
Thanks, Christian, for the merging.
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