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[News] Red Hat to Support and Enable Linux Development for Motorola's Altivec-Enabled Host ProcessorsANN.lu
Posted on 12-Mar-2002 03:15 GMT by Christophe Decanini44 comments
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The press release is here. GCC is an open source compiler used for the development of AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS. Here is an extract: Red Hat is enabling embedded designers to not only develop Linux-based applications for PowerPC-compliant processors, but also take advantage of the wide datapaths and incredible performance that Motorola's AltiVec technology delivers.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 03:08 GMT
Yes, this was mentioned in the comments section of the removed story about G4 SPEC 2000 results, which I want reinstated as there was nothing wrong with the post at all, and the G4 is kinda important to the Amiga community what with Pegasos, Shark PPC, AmigaOnes and the like coming out.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 03:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Graham):
Yes this only piece of information that was a REAL NEWS in the post was this comment.
I can not accept that someone post in order to create a big flamewar with a link that is not a news but a benchmark.
I could post some news about G4 performing x times better than x86 (RC5, bytemark, Bryce, Photoshop, ...) but it would not be news and it would be a completely biased information.
There are sites where you can fight about CPU / Platforms if you want. This is an Amiga news site and I will make my possible to moderate it so it can stay in that way.
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Posted by teotwin on 12-Mar-2002 04:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Graham):
I agree that it should have been removed, as i couldnt care less for skewed benchmarks when im looking for real news.
But why dont you just post it in the amiga.org forums? its more appropriate there.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 11:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (teotwin):
SPEC is SPEC is SPEC. It is a standard benchmark - it isn't Photoshop tests. I think that a lot of Amigans would like to know how their upcoming PPC machines actually do compare to x86 machines in 2002.
There was a time a few years ago when PPC literally kicked x86 MHz for MHz, but the SPEC tests (a test of CPU and compiler) show that the high amount of investment put into the creaky x86 architecture has dragged it up level MHz for MHz with PPC, or faster in the case of FP (using x87, the biggest heap of crap in the world!).
There have been people saying that PPC is 40% faster clock-for-clock than x86 today - this proves them wrong for general applications which do not have custom tweaked Altivec code - which would be the vast majority. All we have is the low overhead of the OS.
A system is only as good as its compiler. AmigaOS4 apps will be compiled using gcc. These SPEC tests were using gcc. gcc looks like it doesn't optimise FP for the PPC FPU very well - probably because of its x86 roots?
The RedHat work will make gcc better on PPC, which is good for all PPC vendors. Auto-vectorisation is not an easy task, but if they pull it off, good for them.
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 12:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Graham):
Forget it Graham... Christophe seems to prefer covering up the thruth rather than accepting it.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 12:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (darklite):
Ths SPEC benchmark is highly biased. The intel CPU looks like PPC and AMD crushers.
If you know real application you know these bench DO NO REFLECT real life performance.
It is like comparing applications that rely 100% on altivec against Intel FPU (without SSE).
Speakiing of you Darklite (or Brecht) you have absolutely no lesson to give me.
I did not remove the comment because it was yours but because I maintain an amiga News site. That all.
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 12:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
Can you honestly tell me you'd also delete a Photoshop benchmark comparision between an ia32 and a ppc cpu, in which the PPC of course leaves the ia32 far behind?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 13:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (darklite):
Yes I will as it makes no sense on this site.
We all know that what makes the difference is how the software takes advantage of the hardware.
If you are familiar with the Mac sites you know that they emphasize on tests that show the PPC superiority.
On the PC site they jump on the first occasion to show that such or such application run better on Windows than on MacOS.
Brecht, many times I could have posted something that let think that the PPC is much faster than the x86. As I'am not here to doing advocacy as a moderator (I still do as ANN user, perhaps I should use a nickname).
What if in two days 5 mac sites did some benchmarks that show that the PPC outperform any x86 in soma applications ? I would not post it or I would prevent that someone open a war on this site because we don't really care.
What we care about is what level of speed we will get with the next Amigas.
We will only know once the product are finished.
I got some MorphOS JIT benchmarks that I never published here because a couple of benchmarks are far from telling you how the machine perform.
I did some posts on Moobunny about the same subject.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Christophe Decanini):
Oh, I see it has been removed again - a lively discussion with 30+ posts without any flaming, just people interested in how SPEC works, gone.
I think that people will post stories about what interests them, and this interests people BECAUSE THEY WILL BE RUNNING G3's AND G4's IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
Leave it in unmoderated, but don't delete the posts. I suppose they have been removed for good, all the time that people put into making the comments gone, wasted?
I see that the Elbox advert is still available to read though.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 13:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (Graham):
Once again, Graham these are not news.
I can get you news every day on how a MAC beat a PC: i just have to read some Mac sites and post the links. I can also post links that shows that PC beat MACS.
I'am sorry for the comments but the post were done while I was not online. I should have deleted them before.
This is an Amiga News site, not a message board.
Check out Moobunny or any similar message board if you want to argument on this subject that already has been discussed to death.
Have a good day.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2002 13:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (Graham):
"SPEC is SPEC is SPEC. It is a standard benchmark "
Erm, which SPEC do you mean is which SPEC, Graham?
Are you talking about SPECapc, SPECviewperf
SPEC HPC96, SPEC OMP2001, SPEC CPU2000, SPEC JBB2000, SPEC JVM98, SPEC MAIL2001, SPEC SFS97_R1, SPEC WEB99, SPECimap2003, SPECjAppServer, SPECweb99_SSL, SPEC CPU95, SPEC SFS97, SPEC WEB96 or...?
You don't actually know what SPEC is, obviously.
It is not "a standard benchmark".
It is a *huge* and developing suite of benchmark suites (yes, suites of benchmark suites). One which, even its organisers will admit, does not give the definitive statement of which CPU is "the best". All it does is gives an indication of how well processors perform handling certain benchmarks. Nothing more, nothing less.
However, if you place THAT much importance on how well a CPU handles SPECfp benchmarks, then I expect to see you demanding that Amiga moves to UltraSPARC-III+ immediately (as that splatters your beloved x86 without breaking a sweat in those benchmarks).
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 13:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Christophe Decanini):
Come on, there much more stuff on ann that's way more off topic...
It's plain censorship.
That benchmark shows the PPC can't compete with your average x86 CPU at the same price. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Posted by Bill Hoggett on 12-Mar-2002 13:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Christophe Decanini):
@Christophe
RedHat is a Linux distro, not an Amiga operating system. Therefore your post is not Amiga news either, but it seems that in Christian's absence this has now become your private propanganda playground.
I think it is time you stepped down as moderator before the site loses all credibility whatsoever, since you seem to have no trouble with allowing blatant advertising as long as it advertises something you approve of.
And just FYI, since you can't be bothered to correct youself, GCC is a cross-platform C compiler, not just and AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS one.
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Posted by MIKE on 12-Mar-2002 14:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
The Spec benchmark that was quoted in the post I imagine, the latest most up-to-date version, which matches Apple's latest CPU vs. Intel's 18 month old CPU. Whatever I'm surprised it was removed, it was an interesting article, maybe the presenter shouldn't of made the additional comments, but this is an amiga discussion board, and like it or not, it appears the PPC family is where the future leads as far as AmigaOS is concerned.
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 14:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Christophe Decanini):
Forgot this...
>I did not remove the comment because it was yours but because I maintain an
>amiga News site. That all.
Why did you remove my post about fuckmicrosoft.com, while the "Lorraine Concept Pictures" post wasn't news either (over one year old), yet that one didn't get deleted? I'm sure many Amiga users would be interested in getting an @fuckmicrosoft.com or @fuckbillgates.com (others available too).
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 14:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MIKE):
Ok, maybe I shouldn't have added that comment of mine, but it was meant to be a joke (that's why I included a smiley), just to tease the PPC apostles.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 14:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
1) Okay, SPEC2000 then. Like it is important - the results are.
2) If the threads were not deleted, you would have seen that I said that despite these results, I am happy that the PPC is going to be the CPU used in the next Amigas. So don't presume things about me, okay?
Stupid anonymous posters.
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Posted by Iggy Drougge on 12-Mar-2002 14:11 GMT
I'm so bloody tired of seeing Linux news day in and day out on ANN! If I wanted Linux news, I'd go to Slashdot.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (darklite):
Brecht,
I will never let any fuck***** on this site.
You would think that I would do it for Intel, Microsoft but this is not the case.
Just to show you that it has nothing to do with being proAmiga, proPPC, pro whatever.
About the lorraine it is not really news but it is more Amiga related then the last news I deleted.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Iggy Drougge):
This ain't Linux news, this is development tool news that directly affects both AmigaOS4, MorphOS and applications on both platforms.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 14:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Iggy Drougge):
It is not just a matter of Linux but a news about GCC optimization for PPC. If you read my post you can understand how Amiga related it is.
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Posted by priest on 12-Mar-2002 14:30 GMT
Whoooooops, lightwave got some optimizations:
http://www.lightwave3d.com/product/7b/
It will be interesting to see how it will perform with modern G4 with 2xMhz.
8D
well... this is Altivec related....
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Posted by darklite on 12-Mar-2002 14:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Christophe Decanini):
>I will never let any fuck***** on this site.
There, you just said it yourself ;p
I did (have to, even) replace the 'u' with a *...
So 'duck' in a news item won't be allowed too, as it only differs one character from 'fuck', just like 'f*ck'? :)
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Posted by cOrpse on 12-Mar-2002 14:43 GMT
Altho i did see some MIPs tests ( the ones benchmark junkies love ) showing the g4 and even the g3 hitting near p4 2ghz mips at 1ghz.
We ain`t even got the hardware yet and ppl are complaining jeeze when will you ppl be happy ! if u like x86 go buy a pc , simple .
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 14:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Bill Hoggett):
>RedHat is a Linux distro, not an Amiga operating system. Therefore your post >is not Amiga news either, but it seems that in Christian's absence this has >now become your private propanganda playground.
it looks that Christian absence make the x86 propaganda growth extremely.
Do you know how much post of the Amiga X1200 I had to delete ?
Did you understand that I kept the original post as news (even if discutable) as it was a new product with the Amiga name ?
You, Brecht, solar and Mekanix are well known to be THE X86 Amiga propaganda so please don't try to give me your image.
The official way is AmigaOS4 PPC. I accept post about emulators or AmigaOS clones (AROS, MorphOS) so please don't tell me I do any propaganda. If I make any comments most of the time it is as an user and to answer some sort of X86 propaganda you like to spray.
>I think it is time you stepped down as moderator before the site loses all >credibility whatsoever, since you seem to have no trouble with allowing >blatant advertising as long as it advertises something you approve of.
I allow new products posts, not advertising
I did for Elbox, I did for the Amiga x 1200. So what is your point ?
Should I delete news about any new Amiga product that sells ?
>And just FYI, since you can't be bothered to correct youself, GCC is a cross->platform C compiler, not just and AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS one.
I did use GCC on many platforms the last 4 years. So thank you for the remark.
If you want to bother me I can say that you are wrong as GCC is not just a C compiler.
You contradict yourself: If it is a cross-platform compiler and is in use for the Amiga it is not just Linux news ...
I just mention AMigaOS 4 and MorphOS to avoid any: I'am fed up with Linux News" but I see that I still have some of these posts here.
I was sure you will jump on this occasion to attack me Bill.
You'd better go spread your propaganda on the Amithlon ML. If you were smart enough you would go help with the Amithlon_dev list that is still at 20 posts a month.
If you want to make any personal attack just use my private email.
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Posted by smithy on 12-Mar-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Christophe Decanini):
Bill didn't mention x86, or anything that could be remotely construed as
anything remotely to do with x86, let alone any "propoganda".
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Posted by cOrpse on 12-Mar-2002 14:59 GMT
http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2631552,00.html - looking at this a dual g4 500mhz smacks a dual p3 1ghz in many of the tests and gets completly wiped at others , this is a against a dual 1ghz p3 after all.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 15:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (smithy):
>Bill didn't mention x86, or anything that could be remotely construed as
>anything remotely to do with x86, let alone any "propoganda".
Not in this post Smithy.
He just accused me doing propaganda deleting this SPEC post.
Bill, Brecht, Mekanix are active Amithlon supporters that will jump on any occasion to show X86 is better than PPC.
They did it here in ANN comments, in Moobunny and other boards, ML.
It ends up with CPU wars, trolls, insults.
I just want to avoid that.
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Posted by Mike Veroukis on 12-Mar-2002 15:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Christophe Decanini):
>Once again, Graham these are not news.
>I can get you news every day on how a MAC beat a PC
That's ridiculous. Benchmarks are a staple in this business. AMD and Intel battle it out over benchmarks all the time. So does nVidia and ATI. This is how the market has always worked and always will. Go to Tom's hardware site, or any hardware site, and you'll see that in the end they all resort to benchmarks. The key is to provide a benchmark with integrity and real world applications. I admit that's tough to do with x86 vs PPC because the same software isn't available to both, and even if it is there could be many other factors that contribute to the speed such as the OS and other peripheral hardware. But the SPEC benchmark is well respected benchmark that concetrates specifically on the CPU and Compiler and is probably the best way to measure performance. The nice thing about SPEC is that it doesn't allow for the OS to get in the way and can allow you to measure the potential a particular CPU has in terms of performance.
Regardless, benchmarks are news, especially when there's a big upset like x86 beating the "all mighty" PPC.
- Mike
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Posted by Troels Ersking on 12-Mar-2002 15:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (MIKE):
Don't state ANN is a discoussion board...It's NOT! WHY is that so har to understand for some people? (use the Mobunny or other forums, please)
Whether the post should have been removed or not... It was NOT news and shouldn't have been posted BUT with all the comments allready made I would have let it stay.
Troels Ersking
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 12-Mar-2002 16:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Troels Ersking):
"Whether the post should have been removed or not... It was NOT news and shouldn't have been posted BUT with all the comments allready made I would have let it stay."
I agree for the comments. Unfortunately I was not around when it was posted.
I hate to remove posts because everytime I get someone angry even if the majority approve or ask for the post removal.
Days after days I got more users angry. I already get the pro x86 against me, if I delete an upcoming post that say "G4 beats x86" I will get the pro PPC against me. I guess it is a tough job to be a referre ...
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 16:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Christophe Decanini):
But it was unmoderated, which is a fine place for it to stay if you don't like it.
I agree, once there are more than a few posts, and they aren't all saying "This ain't news", then let it be.
Regarding the X1200 thing, removing that news is fine because it is (a) free advertising (b) not fully Amithlon compliant hardware (c) rebadged old news
I agree that it is news that in certain respected benchmarks, x86 can soundly beat PPC at the same clock speed - this goes against everything that we believed about PPC vs. x86 - "40% faster clock for clock", etc.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Graham):
Bloody hell get over it , The PPC can easily smack X86 in many fields and the same is true the other way , leave it at that ! .
BTw : PPC hardware even if not benchmarkly faster still feels faster then X86 , try a 500 mhz windoze box then try a 500mhz imac , i know which in the real world feels and seems faster :) ( the imac for petty fools ! ) also amiga OS runs nicely on a 040/25mhz ( mine ;) ) so a G3 600mhz ( entry level a1 ) should be enough for any man.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 17:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Graham):
Imposter.
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Posted by Graham on 12-Mar-2002 17:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Graham):
Imposter maybe , but u know i speak sense , now get on with life and stop losing sleep over benchmarks ;)
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Posted by [JC] on 12-Mar-2002 18:24 GMT
I will just point out comparing Photoshop on x86 and ppc isn't really fair, Photoshop has alot of optimised code for the ppc and virtually none for the x86. Couple that with the fact that the x86 emulates the entire user interface to get it to run.
I will also point out comparing the x87 unit to the PPC FPU is also unfair. SSE and such technology is designed to replace the use of the x87 - much work with matrix math and such can be performed just as accurately and faster with SSE/3DNow! than it can with the x87.
Also, the comparison MHz for MHz between a PPC and an x86 is stupid. It's the same as comparing the 060 to the x86 - the 060 is more efficient at lower clockspeeds, but the x86 runs at that much faster a clockspeed it's irrelevant. Likewise with the PPC, the x86 runs that much faster it's irrelevant that it's slower at the same clockspeed.
Anyway, this is pointless.. I'm now going to be labelled a "PC looser" who doesn't know anything about the Amiga.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Mar-2002 18:46 GMT
Well, I must agree with Christophe.
GCC is key to the future of the AmigaOS as it will be THE compiler of choice for Amiga OS 4.
The fact that Redhat is taking on Altivec vectorisation is very relevant indeed for the future of the AmigaOS.
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Posted by cOrpse on 12-Mar-2002 19:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Storm C 4 also uses GCC if i remember correctly ... and thats like Amiga inc`s supported compiler/dev enviroment.
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Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 12-Mar-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (cOrpse):
Storm C 4 uses GCC as the code generating back-end so it's GCC in my book.
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Posted by Anonymous on 12-Mar-2002 20:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (cOrpse):
I don't think Hyperion is so keen to use StormC over the normal GCC afair...
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Posted by Hagge on 12-Mar-2002 23:54 GMT
redhat is NOT amiga either... how hard can it be? and linux and other real unixes already run on ppc hw.
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Posted by cOrpse on 13-Mar-2002 07:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Hagge):
The point is it affects GCC , which OS 4 is being built on , and the Amiga endorsed compiler Storm C uses ....
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Posted by Johan Rönnblom on 13-Mar-2002 08:42 GMT
I agree this wasn't news. It was a rumour about a benchmark that had
not been performed, unless I'm mistaken.
As for "Photoshop benchmarks not being fair" because Photoshop is
better optimized for PPC than for x86 - well, SPEC (+ the compilers
used) is better optimized for x86 than for PPC so that goes the other
round too. Personally I'm more interested in using Photoshop, I find
SPEC a little boring. ;)
I don't mind seeing a SPEC test every few months, but SPEC tests are
being done all the time! We could have a dozen stories every day if
everyone were allowed to post their SPEC tests. Then we could have
another dozen tests with RC5, Quake, Photoshop, etc, etc.
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Posted by dammy on 13-Mar-2002 17:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Christophe Decanini):
I understand the French need a new figure skating referee, I'm sure you would fit in well...
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