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[Rant] 100 reasons to boycott AmigaANN.lu
Posted on 19-Mar-2002 02:05 GMT by Christian Kemp72 comments
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Nicolas Mendoza wrote: There's a list of 100 reasons why to boycott Amiga over at polarBoing.com. Check it out here.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 51 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 19-Mar-2002 12:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (darklite):
>Most of that list is silly of course, so I narrowed it down to the facts:
It seems you missed the obvious; they are all silly, including the ones you hand picked to redisplay for us here. The real reason why people boycott Amiga Inc is because they're too stupid to know any better. Who needs stupid people anyway?
- Mike
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 52 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 19-Mar-2002 13:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Seehund):
Nah I think the rant-sections fits just good.
For those who didn't get it. Yes it IS a joke. Sorry if it tricked you.
On other hand some of the reasons are actually valid or at least not non-sensical like most of the reasons for boycotting lately. But, well I just wanted to add an edge to it. I could though make a list where I explain WHY each reason is non-valid, but I see some of the guys in here already have. I hope you had a laugh anyway even if it was a small one. I hope this sets an end for the moronic views and statements.
And, btw. I don't doubt for a second that Christian knew it was a joke, and thanks goes to him for letting it stay even if it wasn't news.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 53 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Andretti on 19-Mar-2002 15:07 GMT
Kiki Stockhammer....mmmmmmmm somebody actually remembers her, i still see that video toaster sillouette of hers from time ta time on cable commercials hehe.
I wonder if there woould have been a boycott of Hi-torro when they took money from Atari to finish developing the Amiga, but then sold out to Commodore instead, wow if Atari had bought Amiga we would all be bitchin at Infograms now:)
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 54 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 19-Mar-2002 16:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Seehund):
>Sorry to spoil Polarboing's joke by refuting your points, but you didn't seem >to get it (so actually it's you who's spoiling the joke... but whatever.):
A joke or not, the point I was trying to make is that the list contains some facts.
>> 5. Amiga is not Amiga anymore.
>Then please define "Amiga".
AmigaInc. is AmigaDE.
It's obvious Amiga Inc. don't care for the Amiga community, except that they can still sell some licences to people who still want to do something for our platform.
>> 7. AmigaAnywhere runs on Microsoft-products.
>You're not interested in DE/AA/PDAs. Why do you care enough to see this as a
>reason to "boycott" Amiga Inc? Would excluding any MS platform and call it
>Amiga Somewhere be better?
Oops, I meant not to include this one, so ignore it. A bit of a cut-n-paste bug in Windows, I guess ;)
>> 9. Their SDA is too restrictive. They need to check your apps work before >>you can sell them thru them.
>The horror! They want to know what they distribute?! Then don't sign the
>bloody SDA and distribute your software in some other way. You really have
>difficulties understanding this whole humour concept, Darklite.
The point is that it's stopping a number of potential developers. It's pretty dumb to launch a new tech like that IMHO.
>> 11. They are only focusing on that AmigaDE mumbo jumbo.
>Not IMHO. But that's a matter of flamew^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion.
IMHO they are (but then you prolly already noticed that).
But when you see that they're not really supporting (financially) developement of OS4 and new hardware. Actually, they are *getting* money from it, before it's even in a beta state.
>> 13. Future OSes will run on virtually anything and not on hardware from the >>80's with expensive add-ons/accelerators by obscure east-european companies.
>Yes, terrible isn't it.
My point: OS4 will run only on PPC, which is far from mainstream.
It doesn't make sense: "Amiga ANYWHERE" <-> "OS4 for PPC ONLY".
>> 18. Amiga is just a TAO reseller.
>Yes, in the same way as Commodore used to be resellers of Motorola 68k chips
>(but in a package they called "Amiga").
What a silly comparison. AmigaDE doesn't add alot of value like the Amiga did.
>> 19. Morphos is much cooler. And they are showing progress.
>That's a matter of flamew^H^H^H^H^H^Hdiscussion.
Fact: MorphOS is running TODAY, OS4 isn't.
>> 20. Amiga owns/licenses it's copyrights and software. That's boring.
>Once again this unknown humour thingy flies unnoticed past Darklite's head.
Maybe you should read my comment before insulting me.
>> --- and expensive for those who want to invest in the classic Amiga market
>Ah, yes, we all know Commodore used to let people make computers and OSes with >the Amiga name for free.
Again an utterly idiotic comparison...
Commodore was 10 years ago, and the Amiga used to be popular back then. Nowadays the Amiga is fighting for survival, and the market has changed alot.
>> 21. Intent is just an emulation.
>We don't need no stinkin' humour!
Intentemulation. Plain and simple.
That doesn't mean it's bad, but it's a fact.
>> 25. Everytime Tao makes a deal with someone, Amiga thinks they've made it.
>Change "Amiga" to "Amiga zealots".
Sharp.
>> 27. AmigaDE's releasedate has been Soon for 1.5 year.
>2 years. ;)
That smiley isn't going to make it look less pathetic.
>> 28. I haven't got my SDK1.1 update as I was promised.
>I wouldn't know. I'm not a DE developer. So go ahead and boycott then...
Bill Exciting McEwen making announcing things, but not delivering... Yet they only have to repackage Intent (go on, flame me :).
>> 29. I'm not getting my $xxx off when buying Amigaone since I bought the >>PartyPack.
>Eyetech says you won't get it from them. Boycott Eyetech. Go to Amiga for >refunds, just like they said.
And do you really think Amiga Inc will refund you?
AmigaInc sold the Party packs, not Eyetech. Amiga Inc promised a price reduction, not Eyetech. of course Eyetech doesn't have to give the reduction.
>> 34. PPC sucks. They're Macs.
>> --- PPC doesn't suck, it's just more sensible to use the cheaper, more
>>available x86
>See 11.
See the reply to 13 :)
>> 44. I'm sick and tired of waiting.
>Darklite, you do realise this was supposed to be a list of sarcastic reasons
>to boycott Amiga Inc, right?
Yes, but I said I listed the facts.
Looking at the facts, It's easy to see one shouldn't rely on Amiga Inc (but therefore not boycott).
>> 45. Windows isn't that bad anyway.
>Umm, see 44.
Facts... It shows the majority of Amiga users (the elite ones, you know) hate Windows because of principles.
>> 53. I'm not interested in PDAs, cellphones and STBs. Noone buys them anyway.
>Sigh. See 44.
Few Amiga users care about AmigaDE.
>> 55. Amiga charges money for their products.
>> --- IMHO makes it hard to launch a new technology these days
>Yeah, it's easier to launch new technologies when you give it away for free.
Or a free standard version at least... but a DEplayer? A simple freeware-quality game?
>> 56. They're just using the name. Amiga is a very strong brandname in the >>world. EVERYBODY knows it.
>Ah, what the hell. See 44 for everything.
Giving up so soon? :p
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 55 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 19-Mar-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (gz):
finally someone who understands...
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 56 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 19-Mar-2002 16:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Mike Veroukis):
>>Most of that list is silly of course, so I narrowed it down to the facts:
>
>It seems you missed the obvious; they are all silly, including the ones you >hand picked to redisplay for us here. The real reason why people boycott Amiga >Inc is because they're too stupid to know any better. Who needs stupid people >anyway?
Of course they are no reasons to boycott Amiga Inc, but a number of them are FACTS. Because of those facts I don't believe Amiga Inc really gives a damn about the 'classic' Amiga.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 57 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by nOMAAM on 19-Mar-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (darklite):
I wouldn't if i was them ...
There is no money in it ... and AI is a company ...
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 58 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Mendoza on 19-Mar-2002 16:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (darklite):
If they don't give a damn why have them asked Hyperion to do the OS4.0->DE migrating path?
Because they want the current Amiga "community" to follow the path? I doubt that. Who the hell would want all those whining, no-brainers in their user-base. (Not saying all are, but a big majority. After all still using classic Amigas requires a lot of, well, non-smartness. Or at least a fear for new things or changes.)
Amiga are giving you a new platform. Sure, Eyetech is delivering it, and some other company is producing it. But that's what you've been asking for all the time isn't it? A PPC-computer with all the modern tids and bits and expansion possibilities all other platforms have. They're even porting the old, outdated 3.X line of OS to a new fresh PPC-native 4.X. Hell, they even want to use that as a way (4.x->5.0) to fullfill the dream of "write once, run anywhere" that Intent's technology is going to help us with. (Which is already working excellent on several devices).
Yes, Amiga is a small company. But to survive in the long run, you got to expand or change. Going for the PDA/Cellphone,STB market is THE thing to do. Having a foot both in that world and in the "old" desktop world and combining and integrating them makes pure sense to me. When thinking about it, I just can't see what you're whining about.
Why can't you guys give them a chance for a change? What can you possibly loose? Ok, say you are right and Amiga for some strange reason suddenly is swallowed by microsoft. I don't think your boycotting or negative actions would've helped. On the contrary the constant whining from the community may actually get Amiga employers more and more frustated and give up in the end.
What you should do is contribute to development in Amigas new field AND the old. Start making your programs run PPC. Buy a developer board. Buy an SDK. Port your old fancy games to DE and make some money. (Like the Classic market is any good nowadays anyway). By contributing this way you'll have much more to say when it comes to strategic moves by Amiga. Become the largest supplier of quality games for DE and tadaa, you might even have INFLUENCE :)
No, seriously, people, come on!
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 59 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Mike Veroukis on 19-Mar-2002 16:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (darklite):
>Because of those facts I don't believe Amiga Inc really gives a damn about
>the 'classic' Amiga.
Maybe, maybe not... But they do care atleast about one thing; money! That's something they need to survive and as long as they have invested in AmigaOS they will care about it. They did the right thing when they gave it to a company like Hyperion to complete the project. You can say all the bad things you like about Amiga Inc, but Hyperion seems happy with them. If they have no reason to complain, I don't see why anyone would. I just wish an x86 version of AmigaOS would be made, but that's a different debate I don't want to get dragged into once again.
- Mike
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 60 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Thomas Würgler on 19-Mar-2002 17:51 GMT
If you are a SDA developer you also have access to newer SDKs (possibly NDA developers as well - I think they have) and the APIs provided by Amiga.
Average users don't know anything about what updates are released for the SDK - and people who bought the SDK but are too lazy to register as SDA developers should shut up since they could just sign the friggin' contract and get access like the others.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 61 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Duncan Snowden on 19-Mar-2002 21:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Bill T.):
> Am I the only one reading ANN that thinks these "boycotts" are rediculous?
Nope. I think AInc are playing with fire - they'll have to be *very* careful to avoid the fate of others "embraced" by Microsoft - but it's still the right thing to do. "Amiga Everywhere" *has* to mean exactly that: everywhere.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 62 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 19-Mar-2002 21:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Mike Veroukis):
>You can say all the bad things you like about Amiga Inc, but Hyperion seems happy with them. If they have no reason to complain, I don't see why anyone would.
Even if hyperion wouldn't be happy with AI's way of doing things they are really not in a position to start loud mouthing at them because they hope to be a part of future os projects aswell. It's simple, hyperion hopes to make profits by improving the current amigaOS and at the same time paving a way for their other projects aswell (warp3d for new OS's or ami3d or whatever it will become) A new faster, improved and more robust os will help hyperion making faster and better gameports more easily and will help other developers too.
They are looking their own interest here, but have to please/help AI at the same time. I remember though what hyperion staff's opinion on some AI's plans were b4 they got involved with the os project. Those comments sure weren't positive and they were protesting heavily against ANY x86 solution.
>I just wish an x86 version of AmigaOS would be made, but that's a different debate I don't want to get dragged into once again.
Hehee too late, your knee deep in it already ;)
One thing puzzles me though. What would be so special about a x86 version of the current amiga os, or even a port of os4.0?
I mean, it's way behind in ability and features when compared to even bloat windows. Sure I think windows isn't the perfect os but it's way more feature rich and consistent when compared to amiga os which is kinda like an old cake which is covered with some fresh cream and lots of little eatable ornaments and candy that improve it's outlook and taste a bit, but still can't save it being old from inside.
I like the amiga os, but it sure can't beat windows in it's current state, from which os4.0 won't be a huge leap from as it's in most parts just a conversion of 3.9 into ppc. amiga os has it's bright sides over windows, but there are many things to improve b4 one can throw windows completely out of the machine.
Besides you can already use the latest version of amiga os on your pc, so why does it have to be native? Because of speed? That's hardly a problem unless some ppl don't afford a medium peecee from wallmart. Because of games? Very unlikely as pc games are lightyears ahead of miggy games technically and most of the new miggy games are just ports of old peecee ones.
I really can see only one group benefiting most out of a new version of amiga os and that's us who still have amigas and like to use them. Many have a pc too just like I do, but it's a nice change to fiddle with a real miggy from time to time.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 63 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 19-Mar-2002 23:55 GMT
Lots of you folks missed this:
"Here's a compilation of 100 reasons to boycott Amiga. This is specially made for all you morons not understanding why we need to boycott Amiga.
For those of you that didn't get it. Yes this is intended as a humorous contribution to the "X will boycott Amiga because Y" discussions lately. Sorry if you didn't like it. "
Maybe that should clear it for you.
This was intended as HUMOR, for Christ's sake.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 64 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Raynald Le Moing on 19-Mar-2002 23:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Ok, but ...
Amiga is now a "software company", ok ?
Hyperion (or/with other) is working on software (OS4.0)
Eyetech is working on some hardware which WILL run Hyperion software
(OS4.0) I'm I right ?
So, what does Amiga Inc do ?
Second :
Half a month ago (about), everybody on this list where laughting about
all Amiga inc/Hyperion/Eyetech communications ... Right ?
And now, everybody on this list seems very happy with Amiga inc since
the engagement (before the marriage ?) with Microbulk and all guy that
thinks differently (in fact, as before) are cuckoo and childish people.
That's no wonder, but I hope you're not being suddenly blind ...
Raynald Le Moing.
I'm not sure I understand everythings ...
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 65 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Raynald Le Moing on 20-Mar-2002 00:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (amigammc):
Are you promoting something like "religion for the masses" ?
So we could choose between Krosoft and Krosoft ?
Raynald Le Moing.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 66 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 20-Mar-2002 03:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Raynald Le Moing):
>Are you promoting something like "religion for the masses" ?
>So we could choose between Krosoft and Krosoft ?
Huh? Me? I'm totally against organized religions
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 67 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Franklin Cheney on 20-Mar-2002 03:36 GMT
Only one man in the world has gone on
national/international TV and told the
viewers that a new PPC Amiga, and a new
version 4 of its operating system will
be on sale soon.
...I didn't see a gun held to his head...
He volunteered this in the midst of his
presentation of another product.
All the pathetic losers, trolls and
lamerz calling for boycots could add
all their talents and products together
and would never get closer to Tech TVs
cameras than the janitors wash sink down
the hall!
Great job, boycotters...you're really
pushing the envelope...
...imagine the sound of a toilet flushing
and me washing my hands after reading your
foolish drivel!
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 68 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by koehler on 20-Mar-2002 07:04 GMT
HAHAHAH!!!!
What a bunch of clueless saps....
What the F*** did you moe-rons think they meant when they said it was going to run hosted on Inet appliances, cell phones, and PDA's?
BTW, get some vaseline now while you've got time, 'cause you ain't seen nothing yet. DE is headed for CE only in all likelihood. And if you think the idjits at AI Are going to pump capitol into AmigaOS, as they've haven't so far, then you're even sorrier.
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 69 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 20-Mar-2002 09:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (koehler):
"What a bunch of clueless saps....
What the F*** did you moe-rons think..."
Ever thought of what comments like that make yourself look like?
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 70 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by DanDude on 20-Mar-2002 11:56 GMT
I have one word to say...
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 71 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 20-Mar-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 69 (Samface):
>>"What a bunch of clueless saps....
>>What the F*** did you moe-rons think..."
>Ever thought of what comments like that make yourself look like?
Realistic
100 reasons to boycott Amiga : Comment 72 of 72ANN.lu
Posted by victor # on 20-Mar-2002 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 68 (koehler):
Well, tell us what "they meant when they said it was going to run hosted on Inet appliances, cell phones, and PDA's"...
(Hint: it isn't "going to", it already does that.)
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