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[News] OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions?ANN.lu
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OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 51 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 10-Apr-2002 10:42 GMT
In reply to Comment 50 (Don Cox):
Ok, now getting to far out. So any OS that includes some sort of OS-sandboxes (like OSX) or emulators (eg. vice/wine/uae/whatever in a linux-distro) or some other (like the BSD's linux-layer) these features makes them legacy-OS'.
Well, that leaves the "legacy-free" term to something that doesn't run anything. And neither QNX nor AmigaDE are then legacy-free. QNX is POSIX and can run most *nix-sources. And AmigaDE... got a Java-legacy.
Is there then such thing as a legacy-free OS?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 52 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Heine on 10-Apr-2002 10:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> I'm happy to report that windows
> can be moved off-screen now.
Oh no - I just hope that's optional, i.e. can be turned off in the preferences. To me this has always been one of the advantages of AmigaOS...
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 53 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Paul on 10-Apr-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Mekanix):
> Ahh... and here amigans have been fighting for decades to define whether it's > the OS or the HW that makes an Amiga... when in reality it's just the name! ;)
No, it's the OS ;)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 54 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Solar on 10-Apr-2002 11:01 GMT
I can't draw the line Ben mentions here. Being able to run legacy software is the *reason* for OS legacies...
Yes, a legacy-free OS has no software to run on, initially. Like e.g. MacOS in 1984, AmigaOS in 1985, or the loads of alternative OS projects around.
Is there such a thing as a completely legacy-free OS?
Hmm... CK doesn't like advertising on ANN so all I can say is, "seek and you will find, knock and the door will open for you"... ;-)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 55 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (ikez):
>sometimes i'm wonder if u have a brain darklite.
>U must have some personnal probs with Hyperion, isn't it?
Looking at your spelling, I'd say you're the one without a brain.
And Ben Hermans isn't exactly what I'd call a likable person, no.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 56 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 10-Apr-2002 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Don Cox):
>Don't forget about SnoopDOS, will you? It is essential that SnoopDOS
should still work - it's impossible to manage an Amiga without it.
I agree. Linux and Win2k (which are what I use when not glued in front of my A1200) don't have SnoopDOS or ANYTHING like it (ok, strace under linux can in some cases give you the same info, but reading the output sucks dead rats and so on), and it is impossible to get to the level of Utopia you really want. Somehow one manages things fairly well anyway. Maybe the fact that you don't have snoopdos makes programmers do better debug info to the end user? :)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 57 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 10-Apr-2002 11:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Martin Heine):
I agree. This is a thing for prefs indeed. I never liked that in any OS. Allthough it IS excusable if windows "snap" to edges so that you would have to overcome a certain "counter force" to be able to drag off screen. Like the setup I have right now on Afterstep, except the snap should be a bit softer when moving on screen, and harder when moving off screen. Methinks.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 58 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 10-Apr-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (Mekanix):
>Ok, now getting to far out. So any OS that includes some sort of OS-sandboxes
>(like OSX) or emulators (eg. vice/wine/uae/whatever in a linux-distro) or some
>other (like the BSD's linux-layer) these features makes them legacy-OS'.
No, that would make them able to overcome the problem of being legacy free. If you want to be legacy free, you will have excactly zero applications, so you implement some way of emulating earlier systems (AOS5 running AOS4 applications in a sandbox) so that you have a base of applications without forcing every programmer to redo all his work.
If you DON'T provide a sandbox or emulator, you must wither be a legacy OS (running apps from older versions of the OS directly) or have no base of apps.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 59 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 10-Apr-2002 11:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 54 (Solar):
Nah, it really can't be called advertising if it isn't commercial, now can it? Well, I'll leave it up to you if you feel like mentioning what I think you're suggesting to mention. :-P
...no excuses.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 60 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 10-Apr-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 58 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
So you don't agree with Don Cox' definition?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 61 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 10-Apr-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kent Seaton):
Kent
I think he was talking about from the context of a DOM based parser vs a SAX based parser
vs something invented rather than DOM itself.
Dave.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 62 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 10-Apr-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kent Seaton):
Kent
I think he was talking about from the context of a DOM based parser vs a SAX based parser
vs something invented rather than DOM itself.
Dave.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 63 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 10-Apr-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kent Seaton):
Kent
I think he was talking about from the context of a DOM based parser vs a SAX based parser
vs something invented rather than DOM itself.
Dave.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 64 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 10-Apr-2002 11:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (DaveW):
Well good old konqueror. :-(
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 65 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by smithy on 10-Apr-2002 12:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Kent Seaton):
>Are you sure you know what you are saying?
Yes.
>The Document Object Model is a component of html rather than XML.
The DOM started life as something to do with Javascript, nowadays the DOM is a way of representing resources expressed in XML format. It consists of a standard API that is most often used for XML parsing.
>XML can have a Document Object Model but XML is a descriptor of Document
>Object Model rather than the other way around.
That's basically right, XML is nothing more than a toolkit for defining markup languages.
>XML defines how a document looks and acts
An XML _application_ defines the structure and content of a document, XML defines the schema of that document.
>accompanied by DTD (Document Type Descriptors) or TLD (Tag Library Documents).
It's Document Type Definition, and writing schemas using the DTD notation is well on its way out, while it offers powerful mechanisms for defining structure relationships there is way no to enforce constraints upon content (string patterns, types and so on), this is becoming increasingly important given that XML is moving into areas beyond what it was originally intended such as distributed software and mathematical data representation. Because of this, XML-Schema looks like it's becoming the new 'standard' for writing XML applications.
>XML started out as a custom API which was completely useless...look at how
>completely useless XML is after it's extremely short lifespan.
XML started life as a subset of SGML (that's where DTDs also come from). It's not an API in any way.
>My suggestion is to look up some of the material and do some research on it
>before spouting nonsense
My suggestion is that you make sure your facts are correct before you go off spouting your self-righteous (and incorrect) put-downs.
>and besides, an XML lib is going to be completely
>useless to anyone who doesn't use/program software requiring/utilizing XML
>standards.
The whole point of standard APIs such as SAX, DOM and JDOM is that you can process documents in an XML format with same source code in any application. There are enough custom standards in Amiga software without adding any more, surely this lesson has already been learnt?
>Think about it.
Now you scoot off to the library and do the same!
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 66 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Georg Steger on 10-Apr-2002 12:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>The BPCL legacy will be removed from DOS library.
Impossible without breaking compatibility with old (68k)
programs. They use to multiple/divide BPTRs pointers
by 4 to get the real address in memory and this
multiplications/divisions are hardcoded into the executables.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 67 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Lennart Fridén on 10-Apr-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (Samface):
You two wouldn't be up to anything, would you? *Giggle* :-)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 68 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Apr-2002 12:22 GMT
So Darklite how are your negotiations with Amiga Inc for OS4.0 X86 rights doing?
I am anxious to hear! Of course you will have an end user version in 2 weeks right? I'd like to see some screen shots. As for hardware compatability I'll need it to support the following hardware.
1)Tomato socket 5 motherboard
2)Cyrix M-II CPU
3)Pakard Bell modem/sound combination ISA card
4)Number-9 GXE ISA GFX card
It will need to be seemlessly backwards compatabible all the way through OS1.0 and have all the features of the PPC OS4.0 being developed by Hyperion.
Please give us a status update Darklite! Where's the official DarkliteOS 4.0 website? www.darklite.com is some kind of Irish web hosting service so I doubt that's your Darklite Software Inc?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 69 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 10-Apr-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Lennart Fridén):
Nah, just dreaming about the perfect, legacy free OS as always... ;-)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 70 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 10-Apr-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 67 (Lennart Fridén):
I'm wondering how many people actually stumbled across the relevant web page. Any access logs? :)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 71 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 10-Apr-2002 13:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 60 (Mekanix):
Which "definition"? He never defined anything. I agree with Don on a regular basis, but not because of my religion or anything.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 72 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 10-Apr-2002 13:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Christian Kemp):
The information you seek is to be found at the same place.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 73 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Mekanix on 10-Apr-2002 13:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
He did implicitly "Wouldn't want to run a legacy-free OS since he wouldn't be able to run amiga software" wrt OS5.
But OS5 should include a "sandbox/emulator", which by Don Cox's terms - as I read them - would mean OS5 wouldn't be a legacy-free OS. And if we have to go strictly by the letter, he is of cause correct.
My understanding of a legacy-free OS is broader, along those lines you've laid out. Eg. I see QNX as a legacy-free OS even though you can run various emulators and such. Just like OS5 is supposed to.
I see a conflict in definitions.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 74 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by tinman on 10-Apr-2002 15:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 56 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Actually there is a Snoopdos-alike program for Windows. I got it from a PCPlus cover CD a couple of years ago, but I can never find it when I look for it :(
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 75 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 10-Apr-2002 16:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 55 (darklite):
maybe, english isn' my mother tongue... but that's too difficult for you to understand. A i stated before, your post is quite boring, uninteresting and biased... Just buy a pc and move on please.
Your defense is childish and i'm at your service for your next answeer :)... (boring naturaly)
ikez
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 76 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Apr-2002 16:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (ikez):
Next time respond to him in your native language and see how well he can understand it:-)
I don't see why some people will relate bad grammer or spelling online with stupidity, that's just plain stupid! This is a global community and alot of people do not speak english natively. Also what about english speakers who are seriously hearing impared? Not being able to hear sentences your whole life makes it difficult to understand proper grammer. Would you call them 'stupid' on the street Darklite?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 77 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by José on 10-Apr-2002 16:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"It's a complete fallacy to think that OS 5 is going to put an end to the technology developed for OS 4.
This is simply not the case. In fact, OS 4 is developed exactly so that OS 5 can build on it."
THANKS for the info. That's what I been wating to hear from AmigaInc for a longggg time.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 78 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by José on 10-Apr-2002 17:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"One should draw a distinction between "legacy" that stands in the way of new functionality or stability and legacy that allows you to draw on a large existing code-base which doesn't present any serious limitations."
Exactly, why are some people care of AmigaOS if they consider it to be 100% legacy. Don't take it personal, I just don't understand:)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 79 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Kent Seaton on 10-Apr-2002 18:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 63 (DaveW):
Yeah, I noticed that after rereading my statements when I woke up. That's what I get for posting what I did at 4am in the morning with no sleep. Damn the years I've spent doing web application development.
Anyway smithy, you've got some good points regarding the SAX for application development. My arguments were based from web applications vs your statements on client side applications, two different monsters if you ask me. In either case a shared XML lib will help push the API standards for developing - my overall point.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 80 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 19:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (ikez):
>maybe, english isn' my mother tongue... but that's too difficult for you to
>understand. A i stated before, your post is quite boring, uninteresting and
>biased... Just buy a pc and move on please.
>
>Your defense is childish and i'm at your service for your next answeer :)...
>(boring naturaly)
You don't like my comments, ignore them, simple as that.
Ben Hermans can post flamebait as a news item here on ann, and I get flamed for expressing my personal opinion (in the form of slightly sarcastic jokes) and get flamed. I sense censorship again.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 81 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 19:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 (redrumloa):
>Next time respond to him in your native language and see how well he can
>understand it:-)
>I don't see why some people will relate bad grammer or spelling online with
>stupidity, that's just plain stupid! This is a global community and alot of people
>do not speak english natively. Also what about english speakers who are seriously
>hearing impared? Not being able to hear sentences your whole life makes it
>difficult to understand proper grammer. Would you call them 'stupid' on the
>street Darklite?
look at what I replied to: "sometimes i'm wonder if u have a brain darklite."
I was merely lowering myself to his level. Sorry, I shouldn't have.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 82 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Apr-2002 20:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (darklite):
Darklite when has Ben Hermans ever posted 'flamebait'? The closest thing I have
ever seen to 'flamebait' out of Mr Hermans is something I perceived as an anti-American
comment. But apparently I took this comment out of context and he did apologise
anyway.
I wish I could understand why you are so balls to the wall x86. I own x86 boxes,
I have windows, I have played with QNX, Linux and have even seen Amithlon on X86.
But I still want A1G3 and hope very soon an A1G4 will be out. Your vision of Amiga's
future may be X86 Amiga, but why use that to lay personal attacks on Hyperion?
This I will never understand.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 83 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by redrumloa on 10-Apr-2002 20:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (darklite):
Ok, I can understand that. However as a Hyperion supporter I often bite my lip when
I read your postings. It often seems like you are pissing on our Cherios when positive
news comes out.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 84 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by ikez on 10-Apr-2002 20:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 81 (darklite):
>And again you manage to avoid the actual point.
>Fact: OS4 will contain 68k binaries, yet you have no licence to do 68k stuff.
thats how you arguing? the last sentences is a nonesense. Explain me what's the point here?
ikez
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 85 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Mike on 10-Apr-2002 21:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
"I'm happy to report that windows can be moved off-screen now"
I don't like this ability in windows, though, I use it and find that I frequntly have to many windows around the border of the screen, that have no simple identifing marks (the title/content is off screen, and the task bar is too full to specify the full names).
If I had my way, the windows would be normally limited to the screen area, and when attempting to drag the windows off screen, they would resize (according to how far you tried to drag them off) - and ALWAYS leave the title visible.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 86 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by darklite on 10-Apr-2002 21:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (redrumloa):
>Darklite when has Ben Hermans ever posted 'flamebait'? The closest thing I have
The "this is mandatory reading material for the pro x86 crew" news item.
>I wish I could understand why you are so balls to the wall x86. I own x86 boxes,
>I have windows, I have played with QNX, Linux and have even seen Amithlon on X86.
>But I still want A1G3 and hope very soon an A1G4 will be out. Your vision of
>Amiga's future may be X86 Amiga, but why use that to lay personal attacks on
>Hyperion? This I will never understand.
It's not because they are against x86, it's because mr Hermans now suddenly says he has no problem with Amithlon while he was spreading Amithlon FUD from the beginning. He doesn't seem to want unity across MorphOS, Amithlon and OS4, .... To summarize: In my opinion, Ben Hermans is a bad thing to happen to the Amiga. His ways of dealing with things bothers me, as you might have noticed. He is in the position to unite the Amiga community, but he makes the situation worse because of personal feelings. He clearly doesn't not want any compatibility between OS4 and Amithlon for example, even though quite a number of the AmigaOS users is now using Amithlon.
Of course he'll be saying "but we only have a ppc licence" - that doesn't mean you can't work together with other groups. Don't we all benefit when the community doesn't get split?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 87 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Jack on 10-Apr-2002 22:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (redrumloa):
Yeah, I second that.
Darklite. You like x86 (presumably because it's cheap, plentiful and
you can dual boot windows). That's fair enough.
You don't get on with Hyperion in general and Ben in particular. Fair
enough. You'd like to see AmigaOS for x86 and would prefer it if
someone other than Hyperion was doing the development. Fair enough.
The problem is that a lot of people prefer PPC, don't think that an
x86 version is a good idea, find Hyperion to be a helpful and
informative bunch and are eagerly awaiting OS4. When they read a post
about OS4 they think "great, lets see what people have to say about
that. I wonder if Ben is going to give us any new information". What
they don't really want to see is you commenting just to say "Ben
Hermans is a c***, PPC is s***, Hyperion stopped OS4 going to x86"
(Obviously I'm paraphrasing). These people (myself included) aren't
all that inteested in your arguments with Ben. We've seen them before.
We listened, we understood, some of us agree with parts of what you
say, some of us agree with everything you say and some of us agree
with nothing you say. None of us really want to have to plough through
it two, three or four times every day. We don't want to have to plough
through a hundred insulted or insulting replies either. We just want
to read what people have to say about the original post, and follow
the comments until they go too Off-Topic to be worth the effort.
So Brecht, please, please, please, please, please just pack it in.
You're not doing anyone any favours. Us PPC and Hyperion lovers don't
care and Bill H and others end up on the receiving end of angry mails
because they agree with you, and get dragged into arguments you keep
starting or bringing up. Please don't start those arguments.Please stop.
And that's the first and last time I'll post anything about this whole
thing on ANN. If you want to take me up on anything, or have a
slanging match with me, fine. Email me. Don't waste other people's
time with it here on ANN.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 88 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Leif on 10-Apr-2002 23:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 85 (Mike):
When are they going to implement Windows_Off_The_Computer ??!!
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 89 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 11-Apr-2002 02:42 GMT
As I tried to post on OSNews, I just stated simply that Amiga, Inc has no obvious incentive nor desire for a profitable short-term to long-term project. They prefer following pipe-dreams (Amiverse) over nuts-n-bolts products that could be brought to fruition within months to bring money into Amiga's coffers (Amiga PDA running AmigaOS 3.2 w/ a higher-end laptop and desktop machine, all produced under license) I approached Amiga twice for delivering a profitable solution, they preferred to go for the rise-in-glory-or-crash-and-burn approach over the tried-and-true-yet-not-so-sexy approach I offered. Ah well, should they ever change their minds, they know where to find me.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 90 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Solar on 11-Apr-2002 04:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Christian Kemp):
> I'm wondering how many people actually stumbled across the
> relevant web page.
Judging from the HTTP referers, none so far...
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 91 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Jupp3 on 11-Apr-2002 04:47 GMT
Windows moving off the screen?
Don't say, you are going to add feature, that brings window to front, when clicked once. That's the one "It's not a bug - it's a feature" I hate most in Windows
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 92 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 11-Apr-2002 05:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (darklite):
>He doesn't seem to want unity across MorphOS, Amithlon and OS4...
Morphos is a OS
OS4 is(when done) a OS
Amithlon *is* UAE ontop of linux kernel, in other words an EMULATOR
Morphos have many cpu native apps
OS4 have many cpu native apps
Where are the x86 native apps in emuthlon ? magic menu and an AHI driver ?
Why bother with unity among real os'es and uae ?
just my opinion...
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 93 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 11-Apr-2002 06:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 91 (Jupp3):
I guess we already have some Click2Front utilities..look in your Commodities drawer?-)
I hope they make the GUI quite configurable - that way noone can't complain =)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 94 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 11-Apr-2002 06:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 86 (darklite):
Brecht/Darklite:
>It's not because they are against x86, it's because mr Hermans now suddenly says >he has no problem with Amithlon while he was spreading Amithlon FUD from the >beginning.
Brecht, this is really the last time I'm going to answer this because I'm getting sick of your dim-witted nonsense.
Try to remember it this time.
1. Hyperion is NOT against the x86 CPU architecture. We use this on a daily basis for Linux and Windows development and contract work. We even have 0S 4 cross-compilers running on Linux x86.
Re-read my statement from a while back, the one you always complain about.
2. Hyperion is NOT against Amithlon. Amithlon is an emulation package and a very competent one at that just as AmigaXL or AmigaForever. In fact, AmigaForever and UAE were around for a long time and you never heard us complain about it.
We went out of our way to support Amithlon with Freespace and even went as far as to report certain bugs to Bernie Meyer (and Harald Frank).
There is simply no basis for this claim of Amithlon bashing.
3. Hyperion is AGAINST turning Amithlon into an x86 native port of OS 4.
This is the only thing we are opposed to and it doesn't prevent anybody else from undertaking this but we won't do it unless we get paid upfront.
Can you grasp the nuances? I've only said this like what, 10 times already?
>He doesn't seem to want unity across MorphOS, Amithlon and OS4, ....
If Amithlon limits itself to being a 68K emulator, then by definition all 68K programs will run on it, just as they will run on OS 4.
A developer therefore has the choice between either developing a 68K version only or developing a PPC native OS 4 version and a 68K version.
I fail to see the problem.
MorphOS: is a product which is considered to be illegal by Amiga Inc.
Moreover moving code back and forth between MorphOS and OS 4 is very simple as both use GCC.
In fact, it would doubtlessly be simpler than moving code back and forth between OS 4 x86 and OS 4 PPC.
So who's the one standing in the way of unity by constantly advocating an x86 OS 4? You or me?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 95 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 06:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 90 (Solar):
> Judging from the HTTP referers, none so far...
Hmm... Interesting...
"The project was started late November 2001, this website went online mid-December. As of now, we are still laying out the foundation, infrastructure, basic decissions."
Yup, I'm going to spend a few hours there tomorrow...
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 96 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Apr-2002 07:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 92 (catohagen):
"Morphos is a OS
OS4 is(when done) a OS"
I hate lame flamewars but... hrm... MorphOS isn't a finished product either.
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 97 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous on 11-Apr-2002 07:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Samface):
> MorphOS isn't a finished product either
Much more finished than AOS4 though. :)
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 98 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by anonymous coward on 11-Apr-2002 07:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 94 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
> MorphOS: is a product which is considered to be illegal by Amiga Inc.
Could you be more specific, please?
Why excatly is it considered to be illegal?
Claiming something like this, you must have some hard evidence, right?
And how come Amiga Inc had no problem with MorphOS before *YOU* came
along?
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 99 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Apr-2002 07:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (anonymous coward):
Don't make Hyperion responsible for Amiga Inc.'s actions. He said that it was *considered* (not as a fact) to be illegal by Amiga Inc (not by Hyperion).
OSNews.com : Dear Amiga Inc., Could I Make a Few Suggestions? : Comment 100 of 211ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 11-Apr-2002 07:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 97 (anonymous):
Only a AmigaOS4 developer or beta tester would be able to do such judgement. A public beta/alpha release doesn't make a product more finished.
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