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Posted on 12-May-2002 11:44 GMT by Ben Hermans/Hyperion115 comments
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Hyperion is looking for outside help with writing manuals. We're looking for a native English speaker who can assist us with writing the manual for our powerful HDToolbox replacement for OS 4. Any candidates must know what a partition is, what an Rigid Disk Block is and some details about mounting an FS under Amiga. Additional assests would be knowledge about the most important fields of the partition and filesystem structures. If you are interested in giving us a hand, please contact me.
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Posted by tinman on 12-May-2002 21:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Nichelle):
> kitty is that I can select which device I want to work on at any time,
> so that I don't have to start new instances of it at any time.
You can do that already, but I cannot remember which version of the OS it was added it. I think you just need to add the ASKDEVICE tooltype. If not, I got it's name wrong - use a hex editor to get it :)
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Posted by KenH on 12-May-2002 21:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
>I could put a big jobby in a book and smear it around. The
result would be a really accurate representation of Hyperion's
software.
"There, there, Mummy will look after you! She won't let the big bad boggie man get to you." Muhahaha.....unless she IS the boggie man *bead of sweat rolls down your forhead as she holds you in her vice-like grip* "I'm the spawn of the Boggie man!!!" you yell as Mummy enters the bedroom to comfort you after your nightmare. But IS she my Mummy?? you think.
To think that this non contributory off topic story was inspired by your worthless comment. Perhaps you do have a purpose after all.
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Posted by Nichelle on 12-May-2002 21:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Anonymous):
I sometimes really wonder why the Winblows kiddies are so eager to care for a "nonexistent" system like the Amiga...
-> Maybe HDToolbox seems a little empty because the Amiga doesn't have swap, LVM or RAID and therefore doesn't *do* very much with disks? If Ben shows us a screenshot of a dialog from his new HDToolbox like this...
I have a 80GB Raidtec Flexarray UWSCSI connected to my Cyberstorm, and I use 500MB as swap under
Debian.
It's a little noisy, but as only few PC's have SCSI on board like I'm used to, I would say that
RAID makes no sense on a PC. I know why I have a Mac in the office and my miggy at home!
My Box'y baby:
Physical:
1230scsi.device unit 3
Unit:
Raidtec Flexarry / RUAC-2
Status:
PSU1 Good
PSU2 Good
RUAC-2 : MEM OK , BUF OK , IDBAD NONE, IDGOOD 0 1 2 3 4 , SCSI OK
MODES:
DRIVES WIDE
SCSI WIDE
PARITY 4+1
READAHEAD 64KB
DELAYEDWRITEBACK NO
ACTIVENEGATION NO
SERIAL1 ASCII
SERIAL2 NO
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Posted by Nichelle on 12-May-2002 21:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 51 (tinman):
*snugs tinman and ppurrrs*
Thanks, tin, but I didnt mean the functionality of the askdevice-option, but that, as I have two SCSIchains and an IDE-chain in my miggy,
I would really like to go back to the "askdevice" enquiry after I modified a drive.
When you entered one device you cant go back to select another one, right?
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Posted by Nichelle on 12-May-2002 21:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Nichelle):
Ohh! ashes to my head!
I forgot I really didn't see a single Amiga equipped with a fibrechannel controller...
Amigas are sooooo primitive....
What ? PC's don't have fibrechannel onboard?
Uh?! Win XP doesn't support fibrechannel in all it's modes correctly?
Uh?! It dosn't look like if WinXP home edition won't get that fixed at all?
Oh.. I forgot PC are not Computers, but enhanced pocketcalculators.
Except you install Linux, then it morphs into something useable except for its burdened CPU.
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Posted by Raffaele on 12-May-2002 23:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Henning Lund):
I agree with Apathy and Mr. Lund.
A.
>I don't believe a thick manual in the box is necessary.
>However a small manual containg the following would be a good idea.
>
>1. Quick installation quide.
>
>2. FAQ in case of any problems.
>
>3. A Quick guide to locating and viewing the documentation, including
>printing it.
And all this in almost 12 languages (English for UK-USA-C-AU etc. & for international purposes, D, F, E, I, G, S, DM, etc. for the CEE and Japanese, Polish, Russian, Czech, Indian, Chinese, for the other countries and the new entries in the Amiga World, because Amiga has moved east in these last years)
Lund.
>I would definitly prefer the printed version!!!
>With a computerversion as a extra "thing" ;o)
>
>And another thing, I hope that AmigaOS 4.0 also has "Locale" included!!!
And with the printed version and the computer version, I think it must be included some videos (VHS Tape or CD-MPEG file format) to teach people:
1) What is an Amiga.
2) What are its unique capabilities.
3) How it performs and where to find the software available (even old progs).
4) How to install it.
5) How to work with Amiga.
Now we need 5 basical videos...
Ok people at Eyetech and Amiga Inc. You have got the suggestion... now it is up to you to perform it.
I never heard of a system sold with good videos to explain it (*)... and this can made the difference to attract people who don't know anything about Amiga.
Bye,
Raffaele
(*)The Videotoaster came in a certain period with demo videotapes (if I remember well) and some (?) SGI Silicon Graphics workstations...
A system well explained in a way like this can make the difference between a few users, and a lot of users...
and you at Amiga Inc. could to post the videos in the WWW on your site to attract the attention and the curiosity of new users while expecting the new AmigaONE...
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Posted by [JC] on 12-May-2002 23:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Nichelle):
> It's a little noisy, but as only few PC's have SCSI on board like I'm used
> to, I would say that RAID makes no sense on a PC.
Er, but the whole point of a PC is it doesn't NEED to be onboard - you can whack a card in there and bingo. And dont try and give me that "Plug and Pray" rubbish either.
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Posted by Raffaele on 12-May-2002 23:19 GMT
Oh...
I forgot to mention 2 things...
1) The videos can be (and MUST be) made by saving screen sequences and scenes taken from keyboard and mouse operation...
with good cameras (NO WEBCAM ALLOWED) and good white balance and color adjust...
The only thing you must purchase as outsource is a speaker (male, female or two speaker of both sex) with GOOD VOICE...
and she/he must read a DECENT screenplay...
because
2) To realize a good video or a bad video costs the same in money and efforts, but *A GOOD VIDEO REALLY MAKES THE DIFFERENCE IN ATTRACT USERS/BUYERS*...
And it could be a starting point for a future TV advertising spot.
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by .john on 12-May-2002 23:24 GMT
Congratulations Hyperion ! It is good to know, the OS is in hands of Amiga Fans.
As I understand it, the HDToolbox thingy is finished (or close to). Darn, I'd had have some
whishes.
I do not know if you guys know the partitioning tool of Linux-Mandrake. It is
maybe the most powerful and most easy to use for any Linux distro !
Actually it is very much like HDToolbox with the difference, that,
as we talk Linux here this is no surprise, you can set up the partitions to be
over 40 filesystems....and you can save the complete partition-setup to disk, just for cases...
If I remember correctly this is the "Save RDB" Option in current HDToolbox. It
also colors the different fsys-types in another color, which I find very good.
What I would like to see for the Amiga is nothing fancy, just some "I'm a user, I'm a loser"
enhancements (yes, I am talking about myself ;-) !):
Have the possibility to enter MAXTRANSFER and similar in user-readable values (optional) (eg: KB/s).
Same for partition types and Filesystems. There should be a database of available filesystems
upon program-start not just when the user selects it from L:
It would be funny to have special icons/labels/cloring on partitions of different
filesystems...
On a sidenote:
I would be very happy also to have Amiga implementations of ext2,ext3 and maybe
other common Linux filesystems, since I am pretty sure, my AmigaONE will be dual-boot,
Linux and AmigaOS4. This would also seem like a good idea for those few who might get
an AmigaONE for Linux only (at first) and then discover the AmigaOS and see:
I can read my /home (etc.)
Being at this point: Will AmigaOS4' TCP Stack come with some servers ? I would
be happy to have Samba and NFS...
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Posted by gary_c on 13-May-2002 00:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (cOrpse):
>Depends how much detail is needed ... If its just a sorta outline user manual i could probaly knock something up .. but if its an in depth 180 page program manual maybe not :).
> /me goes back to writting Docs for this sh*tty database.
No offense, but how can you even consider writing docs for an operating system when you can't spell "writing," when you erroneously use "its" instead of "it's" (twice), lower-case "i" instead of "I," "probaly" instead of "probably," two dots in an elipsis instead of three, "in depth" instead of "in-depth," "180 page" instead of "180-page," "Docs" instead of "docs," etc., etc.? Man, it's breath-taking. Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest. :-)
gary_c
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Posted by Raffaele on 13-May-2002 00:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (.john):
John wrote:
> I do not know if you guys know the partitioning tool of Linux-Mandrake.
> It is maybe the most powerful and most easy to use for any Linux distro!
>
> Actually it is very much like HDToolbox with the difference, that,
> as we talk Linux here this is no surprise, you can set up the
> partitions to be over 40 filesystems....
> and you can save the complete partition-setup to disk, just for cases...
Ahhh... over 40 FS... that's good...
> On a sidenote:
>
> I would be very happy also to have Amiga implementations of ext2,ext3 and
> maybe other common Linux filesystems, since I am pretty sure, my AmigaONE
> will be dual-boot, Linux and AmigaOS4.
They want to sell Linux PPC with the machine, so seems to me the "minimum" to dual boot LinuxPPC *AND* AmigaOS4.0 when it will be available...
> This would also seem like a good idea for those few who might
> get an AmigaONE for Linux only (at first) and then discover the AmigaOS
> and see: I can read my /home (etc.)
Papale e pacifico
(Your statement is noble as something regarding the Pope and calm as a quiet sea)
It seems to me a good idea...
A lots of people will try Amiga OS, and they might want to partition, dual boot, reinstall, deinstall, and many many operations like these...
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by logain on 13-May-2002 01:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Nicolas Sallin):
lets say 30 developer and counting.. ;)
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Posted by acg on 13-May-2002 02:18 GMT
Mr. Hermans:
Please put it out in book, html , and pdf.
Pdf for those who want to work on it for professional output,
Html, for those who want to access it while browsing, and book
for those of us who want to read the book while were in the
restroom (loo, john, etc) trying to read, or reading in bed, or
on the couch, or taking a day trip and want something to read...
I don't care if it's on thin paper, just as long as it reads well.
Just my humble opinion.
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 13-May-2002 03:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 53 (Nichelle):
Nichelle Wrtote:
>I sometimes really wonder why the Winblows kiddies are so eager to care for >a "nonexistent" system like the Amiga...
Which part of those users are you talking about?
Joe gamers don't care, they will buy anything that runs that newest game that they drool over.
Programmer look for a stable system with good cheap programming packages, ..etc.
Casual users need a stable, cheap (or should I say affordable) computer.
Business users need for price and availabilty of systems plus office packages.
Now if our Amiga makes it back into at least one of the above, it will start going back where it was in the good old days.
If you are talking about some fanatics, those are everywhere and in every platform.
>It's a little noisy, but as only few PC's have SCSI on board like I'm used to, >I would say that RAID makes no sense on a PC. I know why I have a Mac in the >office and my miggy at home!
Aren't you missing few things here?
Like someone else here said, it doesn't have to be on board, as a matter of fact, expect limitations and problems from on board controllers.
Also, you will have hard time fininding a a PC geared for a server without a RAID configuration.
Raid for a home and normal usage will be expensive and not needed.
For servers RAID is essential, and most of todays business OS have built in support for RAID volumes.
Now if you are basing your conclusion that RAID doesn't make sense on a PC from your experience with Amigas and Macs and from a home user's opinion on a PC, I can understand your position, but you are wrong about RAID as a general usage on PCs.
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Posted by Akaru on 13-May-2002 05:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Nichelle):
> It's: Paper is preemtive...
> When I ran into trouble my book still works, my computer not.
> Plus, did you ever try to take your monitor under your blanket to read at night?
> =^--^=
No Paper is orthagonally persistant.
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Posted by AV on 13-May-2002 06:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (.john):
Stuff like different colors for different FS will be there, as sensible maxtransfer values
and load/save a whole disk setup from/to file.
And to Nichelle: yes, you'll be able to back to the askdevice window.
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Posted by Raffaele on 13-May-2002 07:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 65 (Akaru):
Akaru answers to Dagon et alii:
D.
>>> It's: Paper is preemtive...
A.
>No Paper is orthagonally persistant.
Don't loose time with Dagon...
Maybe he want to say that (Laugh) *Paper is preemptive*.... but he didn't write it well...
(Laugh)
Another person who can't afford the job of writing of the manual for Eyetech in plain english...
(Laugh)
Yes Paper is preemptive, also Amiga is preemptive multitasking (but with amiga you can multitask in a better way)...
In fact try to put a sheet of paper in front of each of your eyes and be capable to read two documents at a time...
(LOL, ROTFL)
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 13-May-2002 07:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 66 (AV):
AVAndrea Valinotto = new Mr HDToolBox = thrust worthy info
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Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 13-May-2002 07:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Aram Iskenderian):
I am so terribly sorry. Now frell off and teach someone who needs it ;)
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Posted by Nichelle on 13-May-2002 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 64 (Aram Iskenderian):
*snugs AV, Aram, Raffaele and some others*
OK, I know Every Architecture can be equipped with SCSI-Controllers.
But when I equipped the companies server with two Adaptec 39160 cards I had more trouble than joy.
Anyway, since I got them to work we use SCSIDE-converters to access cheaper ATA/66 drives in a r5-config.
But since then ( nearly one year back) we had no further trouble, as before with the promise Fasttrak 100r5.
Aram: I'm sorry when I harrass PC-Users, but usually I do it only then when they bog me with problems they should have expected when they bought their
computer. Noone may ever complain that he has to upgrade or hassle with the drivers whe she or he decides for windows, but funnily most do exactly this way.
I also harrass Amiga-users that run around with a 68030 in ther miggy when I hear them complaining about lack of speed.
I think humans are conscious beings able to think and reflect about their problems.
But I saw 40 years old admins nearly crying because remote administration under Windows takes so long.
Heck, buy another computer, install Linux and there you go!
Oh, and I like to harrass people telling me that multitasking and multiuser-capability is integrated into windows a long time.
Yes, I know M$ announced it for Windows 86 ("Chicago-Windows") but it took them till autumn 95 until they
had added half of the announced features into Windows.
I like the Amiga for some simple reasons: It's cute (Apple tries to be cool, M$ to be almighty),
it's efficient (that doesn't mean powerfull or fast at all, just: Efficient)
and it's a darn good long-term-investment.
Try to upgrade a 8086 to a P2 and you will faintly guess what I'm about.
I know it can be simple: Buy a new computer. But then you are struck with the fact that all the other hard&software
is lost, which, in case of a large 4-color rotation printing machine and a very successfull and rich database
isn't a very clever trade-off.
Most in my office use Windows-PC's and "ohh" and "ahh" bout every little trouble. I bought a Mac for myself (as an Amiga would have been to slow for my usual work) and ditched the PC
(it is now gathering stats about our bureau-plants as I myself usually forget to water them).
Can someone tell me why I'm telling you the possibly quite uninteresting story of my life?!
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Posted by Nichelle on 13-May-2002 09:57 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 ([JC]):
JC wrote:
Er, but the whole point of a PC is it doesn't NEED to be onboard - you can whack a card in there and bingo. And dont try and give me that "Plug and Pray" rubbish either.
Uhhmm..
Yes, a single card is OK.
Did you ever stuff a Viking Motherboard with four Ad29160 or 39160?
Have fun with IRQ and all the other thought long gone nasties.....
I did actually believe PCI was far beyond all that, but obviously it wasn't.
Or maybe the OS? Under *UX it worked somewhat stable, but a certain multibilliondollar-companies OS
behaved a little strange.
Guess how happy I was when the "Geraetemanager"
told me I had several GFX-cards installed. Didn't knew Adaptec did add such a feature to their
SCSI-controllers =)
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Posted by loaredrum on 13-May-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Give us screenshots Ben! Pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase!
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Posted by Jacek Piszczek on 13-May-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 72 (loaredrum):
No no!
Give us a BETA version Ben!
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Posted by Kronos on 13-May-2002 12:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Jacek Piszczek):
A public beta of a low-level disk-tool ?
I hope Ben has just enough common sense
left to avoid this.
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Posted by Raffaele on 13-May-2002 13:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Nichelle):
Nichelle said:
>*snugs AV, Aram, Raffaele and some others*
Ehm? Pardon? Had I missed something?
Ehi young man... I want to remember you that I never attacked you or some of your statements...
You had talk about Onboard RAID SCSI... I never had talk about it...
I talk about how stupid is to have only a PDF manual, and I made it in some humorous ways...
That's it...
I also add my two serious cents by saying that we need also a visual manual or something similar to attract new users and to *Teach the world* what an Amiga is...
That's again it...
Bye,
Raffaele
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Posted by [JC] on 13-May-2002 14:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 71 (Nichelle):
> Guess how happy I was when the "Geraetemanager"
> told me I had several GFX-cards installed. Didn't knew Adaptec did add such a > feature to their SCSI-controllers =)
Get a decent motherboard that enumerates PCI devices properly.
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Posted by Peter Gordon on 13-May-2002 14:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Anonymous):
>I could put a big jobby in a book and smear it around. The
>result would be a really accurate representation of Hyperion's
>software.
Gosh. That was a well thought out, well reasoned argument that raises very important and interesting questions. By posting it, you have made yourself appear to be a very intelligent, mature individual...
*sigh*
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Posted by Nathaniel Downes on 13-May-2002 15:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
The best option:
Ship an electronic version with the OS
Publish a paper version that is sold seperately.
That way you recoup the publishing cost per-copy. I'd also throw in more data in the printed version, example code on how to use it, etc.
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Posted by Ugr on 13-May-2002 15:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 73 (Jacek Piszczek):
Jacek Piszczek wrote:
>Give us a BETA version Ben!
Mr. Piszczek where is the beta version of HDToolbox for MorphOS?
You are from MorphOS team, right? Could you give us beta version for MOS?
Mr Piszczek I have advice for you. Don't worry about Amiga Operating System. This isn't system for you. You should worry about your MorphOS.
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Posted by Mr. Smith on 13-May-2002 16:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Ugr):
It is not nice to entitle non english/american people with Mr. For me, it would just show the ignorance of the poster.
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Posted by Mr. Smith on 13-May-2002 16:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 79 (Ugr):
But then again, it would be really nice to see a real OS4 app with the real woring OS4 PPC intuition.library maybe on a screenshot. But.... you know :)
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Posted by Thistlewood on 13-May-2002 17:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (redrumloa):
YAAC(Yet Another Anonymous Coward)
I like it...
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Posted by Nichelle on 13-May-2002 19:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 75 (Raffaele):
-> Ehi young man...
Neither nor. I'm mother of three kids, eldest being 21
=^--^=
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 13-May-2002 19:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 80 (Mr. Smith):
Mr. Smith Wrote:
>It is not nice to entitle non english/american people with Mr. For me, it >would just show the ignorance of the poster.
*Scratches head*
I might be missing something here, but....
Let me get this straight, you are complaining about someone addressing you as Mr. Someone and telling him that it is not nice while you post as Mr. Smith?
FYI, Mr. is a formal addressing and I don't know about you, but I am not a native English speaker too, but it IS showing respect when you address someone like that.
Now the first person saying that we are off topic... :-)
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Posted by Nichelle on 13-May-2002 19:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 76 ([JC]):
->Get a decent motherboard that enumerates PCI devices properly.
JC: Viking motherboards are build Feb. 2002
by Soyo.
I don't have a clue what their real name is, but "Viking by Soyo" is all I found on the board itself.
Oh, and I'm not in the tech department, but a technical support representative.
Just I get called quite often by the tech department, but as long as I don't get offered a position higher than some certain
someone else there I refuse the offers to go there.
You know how nice it is when they try to get access to your skills without paying you properly, as you have no
official certificate for something?
So up to now I do my little help as well paid additional work-hours on the weekend or afterhours.
=)
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Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 13-May-2002 20:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Nichelle):
Nichelle Wrote:
> Aram: I'm sorry when I harrass PC-Users, but usually I do it only then when >they bog me with problems they should have expected when they bought their
>computer. Noone may ever complain that he has to upgrade or hassle with the >drivers whe she or he decides for windows, but funnily most do exactly this >way.
>I also harrass Amiga-users that run around with a 68030 in ther miggy when I >hear them complaining about lack of speed.
Hey, I am not offended, but hwat you were describing was not a general users.
As for Amiga users complaining, I had all the flames you can think of from certain individuals in comp.sys.amiga.misc couple of years back when they were whining why their Old non accelerated Amiga 500 and Amiga 2000s were not able to run Any future OS upgrades.
For Windows, the majority of users don't care, unfortunately what they do use, as long as it does the job, only the intelligent users care if there is an Amiga or any other system out there or not, that was my point.
>But I saw 40 years old admins nearly crying because remote administration >under Windows takes so long.
>Heck, buy another computer, install Linux and there you go!
That is a combination of user/hardware/and other factors, not to mention that they might be dealing with Windows NT, which I think was just a pathetic Operating System.
Your system will not suddenly fly with blazing speed because of Linux is installed instead of Windows.
Also while Linux is free, it is not an option for a busy admin with an existing network to manage.
And quite honestly, the lack of deployment and large scale network diagnostics packages for Linux is what keeps Linux falling behind Netware, Windows 2000, and Solaris, but you can never beat the price.
>Oh, and I like to harrass people telling me that multitasking and multiuser->capability is integrated into windows a long time.
>Yes, I know M$ announced it for Windows 86 ("Chicago-Windows") but it took >them till autumn 95 until they
>had added half of the announced features into Windows.
I agree on this.
And still for a laugh, insert a floppy disk or a bad CD and try to do something else, and look at Windows crawling or almost goidng down to a single tasking HP calculator.
>I like the Amiga for some simple reasons: It's cute (Apple tries to be cool, >M$ to be almighty), it's efficient (that doesn't mean powerfull or fast at >all, just: Efficient) and it's a darn good long-term-investment.
That's what kept us all with the Amiga after all these years and all this no-owner, no-progress, ....etc.
>Most in my office use Windows-PC's and "ohh" and "ahh" bout every little >trouble.
Non-Technical office users are admin's worst nightmare.
>I bought a Mac for myself (as an Amiga would have been to slow for my usual >work) and ditched the PC
>(it is now gathering stats about our bureau-plants as I myself usually forget >to water them).
Personally, I take a PC over the Mac any day.
>Can someone tell me why I'm telling you the possibly quite uninteresting story >of my life?!
Hey sounds like what I am doing all time. :-)
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Posted by [JC] on 13-May-2002 20:18 GMT
> And still for a laugh, insert a floppy disk or a bad CD and try to do
> something else, and look at Windows crawling or almost goidng down to
> a single tasking HP calculator.
/me does this on his Windows box
Hm. Nope, not slowing me down one bit. Then again I do run Windows 2000, but you just said Windows so...
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Posted by [JC] on 13-May-2002 20:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 87 ([JC]):
> JC: Viking motherboards are build Feb. 2002 by Soyo. I don't have a clue
> what their real name is, but "Viking by Soyo" is all I found on the
> board itself.
http://www.soyo.com.tw - I couldn't even find Viking on thier website, guess they're keen to admit they made them.
Soyo are shite. Go with Asus, Abit, EPoX or Gigabyte boards. In that order.
Furthermore I'll bet those Adaptec cards all had boot roms. You probably need to disable those on all but one of the cards (yeah ok, that's a bad-old-days real mode hangover that'll probably change soon)
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 89 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Raffaele on 13-May-2002 22:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 83 (Nichelle):
Nichelle wrote:
R.
>> -> Ehi young man...
N.
> Neither nor. I'm mother of three kids, eldest being 21
> =^--^=
Sorry, I believe that Nichelle was a surname or a fancy nickname... obviously I can't imagine about else...
Bye,
Raffaele
(Still upset to being inscripted in the hallfame of the trolls)
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 90 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 14-May-2002 00:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Raffaele):
Raffaele Wrote:
>(Still upset to being inscripted in the hallfame of the trolls)
Chill out.
I don't think that she was listing trolls.
She replied in post to several people who responded to her post.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 91 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Aram Iskenderian on 14-May-2002 00:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 ([JC]):
JC Wrote:
>http://www.soyo.com.tw - I couldn't even find Viking on thier website, guess >they're keen to admit they made them.
Could be a mistake.
http://www.soyo.com.tw/whatboar.htm
To identify properly.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 92 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 14-May-2002 07:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 59 (.john):
Argggg… this will brake the Linux security… LOL,
PS. Like my ext2 to say only in linux as there are more then one option of file systems that can be read in linux like VFAT (FAT32) or AFFS (Amiga Fast File System),
If how ever there is going to be support for ext2 then I think it will be grate ide to add the security level only read/write to user id 510 AmigaUser ID in linux, otter wise we are opening up the linux system to seek peeks. And I hate Amiga viruses deleting my linux files.
On otter option is to mount the share partisans in Linux with VFAT or AFFS or Any otter supported file system on Linux and AmigaOS.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 93 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Rodney on 14-May-2002 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Thats prolly due to the large amount of "slang" in the english language and forigners not knowing of that slang! :)
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 94 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 14-May-2002 09:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 93 (Rodney):
Nothing of the sort.
its al down to the enormos amont of l33t hax0rs who cant be botherd to rite proper english, stoopid :)
And I agree with Ben's comment, we don't want Phase5-english in our AOS4 user manuals. No sir.
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 95 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-May-2002 09:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 57 ([JC]):
"Plug&Pray rubbish"? Ok... come over here, and try to make my
Pinnacle Studio PCTV Rave work on my QDI Advance 9 motherboard....
I install it... It works... Uninstall the drivers, delete ALL
dlls with *pctv* and *pinnacle* in the filename, remove EVERY SINGLE
registry addition made by it, reinstall them and... bingo... it won't
work... Tried that 20 times with 2 OSes (Win2k and Win98SE). And it's
not only that... every time I reboot it tries to install the card about...
20 times... That's plug&pray...
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 96 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 14-May-2002 10:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 95 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
And the problem is not the OS or the driver... It's the HW...
It doesn't enumerate PCI devices propertly, and confuses the
OS... Same happened under linux... Had to recompile the driver,
after hardwiring it to my HW...
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Posted by [JC] on 14-May-2002 14:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Then don't buy shit motherboards and cards, spend the extra and get something decent like an Abit motherboard
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 98 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Nichelle on 14-May-2002 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 88 ([JC]):
*snugs JC*
Yai! I wonder why our hardwaregurus didn't had that idea. Disabling the Bootroms on the Adaptec's except one helped a lot!
And that Soyo doesn't write about a board named "Viking": Did you ever heard an Amiga500 sold as "Rock Lobster"
though it was imprinted on all boards?
=)
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 99 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by Nichelle on 14-May-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 89 (Raffaele):
Raffaele:
A "snug" is something like a kiss or lick on the nosietip in my case.
And Nichelle isn't my RL name, but the name of my cat.
This doesn't change my family and marital status.
*p-p-purrrrrrrrs* =^--^=
Help required with OS 4 manuals : Comment 100 of 115ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 14-May-2002 15:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Nichelle):
Heh, thought it might help. Theres only space for about 4 boot roms in the real mode address space, the video card is one... and some motherboards take one for USB and suchlike to be initialised. Too many boot romsclash = fuckups like the one you were getting. Yeah, it sucks, but then real mode and BIOS will probably be obsolete in about 2-3 years.
As for the A500 being called Rock Lobster, yeah I know about the whole B-52's thing.. I did a small stint in Amiga repairs and upgrades :)
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