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Posted on 15-May-2002 20:36 GMT by Christophe Decanini272 comments
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The bplan GmbH would like to inform you about the Computer Magazine taking place on the 27th of may at 9.30 pm.

neues - das Computer- und Telekommunikationsmagazin auf 3sat

There is an IRC chat scheduled after the show. Check it out here.

Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 1 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 15-May-2002 18:40 GMT
I had to remove the unmoderated post as the title was misleading (speaking about an AmigaOne show).
I also hope that the thread here will be cleaner than the previous one.
And please if you are not interested in MorphOS go back to the main page and enjoy other news.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 2 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by bhickman on 15-May-2002 18:53 GMT
Quoted from the site:
> in which we will be gladly respond to any of your questions.
I'll be at the IRC shoot with bells on! I can't wait to ask them if they plan on supporting OS4 so I know whether to spend my money on the Pegasos or elsewhere.
This is not in jest, this is not to pose flame, this is a very serious concern of mine. If it can't run OS4 I'm not interested. It can run/emulate all the applications in the world but I wouldn't care if I can't run OS4 on it. Heck, I'd even wait for a Pegasos rebranded from Merlancia if I could get direct OS4 support. The point is, I'm willing to wait for it if OS4 support is definate.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 3 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 15-May-2002 18:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bhickman):
>I'll be at the IRC
I don't know if it is on IRC or on the neues-Homepage. The neues chat on their
homepage uses a Java applet. So hard to chat with an Amiga browser then.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 4 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 15-May-2002 18:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Agreed on all points.
People, I understand that many of you are not native English speakers, but please make an effort when commenting... The deleted thread had some pretty bad English in it, not because of it being such a difficult language, but because a lot of people just seem to want to get their point across in a hurry without ever considering or re-reading what they write. Nothing weakens an argument more effectively than using the wrong words (and style) to bring it across.
(Obvious disclaimer: My English is not perfect either. Neither are all of my arguments. I'm not targeting anyone in particular. But you get the idea. :)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 5 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Nichelle on 15-May-2002 19:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (bhickman):
Yeppers, My problem is alike.
I want OS4 for whoevers sake, but as I want firewire, I have some concern about the AmigaOne.5
Aside that I was always a little hobbyist that upgrades personally.
And when Eyetech doesn't offer soldering a socket in afterwards for the CPU as soon as the next
generation (G4) get's available.... Murrrr... :(
Anyone knowing if there are cards supported by OS4 that have firewire onboard?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 6 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-May-2002 19:07 GMT
I wonder if the live chat will accomidate for english speakers? I'd really like to be there. I mean, I can understand Chinese to a point, a good bit of French (though I mutalate the language), and even some Latin... but I've never been able to grasp German no matter how hard I try.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 7 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-May-2002 19:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Nichelle):
With regard to cards with onboard FireWire... take a look at the ATI Radeon all-in-wonder card. While it has FireWire, the drivers don't exist yet that we know of so it may mean creating the drivers. Although, the ATI Radeon all-in-wonder may be your best bet it's not your only hope. The SBLive Platinum edition with the LiveDrive! has their version of IEEE1394. I'm almost (not quite but almost) certain that someone will rewrite the SBLive drivers to accomidate SBAudigy cards since they are very similar drivers on x86 platforms to start with. I'm not sure how difficult it would be to do this, but nonetheless it's another avenue to look at.
Desperately wanting FireWire support for my ImageFX needs. 8^)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 8 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by logain on 15-May-2002 19:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
>>I had to remove the unmoderated post as the title was misleading (speaking
>>about an AmigaOne show).
btw. the Title was the same. But the unmoderated news also catched up rumours about the AmigaOne and AmigaOS4 to be presented in this show.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 9 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Turrican on 15-May-2002 19:15 GMT
Too bad the TV show and live chat don't take place AFTER June, 1st.
This could have been a good opportunity to talk about Thendic's promises.
Your avenger,
Turrican
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 10 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Frans on 15-May-2002 20:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (the man in the shadows):
What is your native language, if you can understand Chinese but no German at all ?!!!
Curious,
Frans
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 11 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 15-May-2002 20:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Frans):
it's a cross between english and the rest of the modern day world... I don't think it's english cause I don't spell color with a 'U'...
BRB... I must go check my ... "shedule"
Oh yeah, and Chinese is easy... you just have to know what to look for... once you got that much, the rest of it falls into place.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 12 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 16-May-2002 04:17 GMT
They need to support OS4.0 as OS or the binary, canít se it being done this time.
Otter vice Iím defiantly not interested in MOS.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 13 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 16-May-2002 04:21 GMT
If in English how about an MPEG, MP3 recording.
I can only understand some German words,
most likely I will not understand one hole line.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 14 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anony Mouse on 16-May-2002 04:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (kjetil):
Neues is a computer show in german TV. Its normal that it is in german and not in english :-)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 15 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 16-May-2002 05:15 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Anony Mouse):
If in German how about an translation in Text, Or even better how about an reedited MPEG with English text.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 16 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Shotgun on 16-May-2002 05:49 GMT
About who supports what...
I think Ainc. are shooting themselves to their foot if AmigaOS 4 doesn't work with pegasos...and all this accidentaly! But they'll survive...I hope :P
BUT bplan is shooting themselves to the HEAD by not letting AmigaOS4 developed to pegasos...simple suicide...almost lose - lose situation...I'm bit tired of this :(
Linux market is quite full of hardware enterprises...mostly x86 I'm afraid!
There has to be two competing HW that's best for AmigaOS users!
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 17 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by kjetil on 16-May-2002 05:53 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Shotgun):
We share view on this one.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 18 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by twicer on 16-May-2002 06:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (kjetil):
i'm in as well
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 19 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anders Kjeldsen on 16-May-2002 06:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (kjetil):
"We" ?
Sure, it would be nice for "the platform". But I think that the first OSes to hit Pegasos will be Morphos and Linux PPC.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 20 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by gz on 16-May-2002 06:21 GMT
I would prefer running OS4 on a pegasos rather than MOS, but as it seems there won't be any cooperation between AI and Bplan... I guess I'll have to settle for MOS untill there will perhaps be AmigaOS for the pegasos sometime in the distant future.
It will be interesting to see the driver situation evolving on both OS's. OS4 only supports drivers from hyperion and MOS supports it's own range of agp cards so there might be some other cards to choose from.
After the race of who gets the OS out first is over, a race for wider selection of drivers will begin.
This proves that competition can be a good thing (only when it's healthy though, which it sometimes isn't on the amiga :( )
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 21 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 06:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (Anders Kjeldsen):
"We" used in that reference means the "other person that posted and myself". It was not "we" as in "we the collective".
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 22 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Sotiris Papageorgiou on 16-May-2002 06:23 GMT
Yes,linux market is big but there is always a room for somethink new and don`t forget that linux market isn`t a "market" at all for somethink commercial,take a look at the developers that made games and apps for linux,where are they know;They have closed or they have changed to win or mac development.I think that there is an oportunity to offer both ami-se as an non-upgratable amiga ppc as a 1200 and pegaso as high end with support for agp4x,multiprocessor and even re-enginered for a laptop and all running os 4,this idea could give a big range of amiga`s for everyone to choose.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 23 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ralf on 16-May-2002 06:28 GMT
The 3sat magazine has already made a report from the last Amiga show in Germany, but unfortunately there was nobody from Amiga Inc.
And now bplan is again the first. Something to do for Amiga...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 24 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 06:36 GMT
German is the easiest language in the world to learn. "Pferd" means "horse" and it's just like that all the way through really.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 25 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 16-May-2002 07:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Anonymous):
LOL :)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 26 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Mahen on 16-May-2002 07:19 GMT
As many other do, I SUMMON BPLAN&AMIGA inc's reason
Please stop this insane war !
Please cooperate !
You all have so much time to catch up,
we need all of our developers, current community
and much more to survive.
BPLAN is DEAD if they don't let Hyperion port Amiga OS 4.
Amiga Inc. will lose a huge part of the community if
they keep on waging war to all the other initiatives.
Amiga Inc., do you want to be considered as another microsoft ??
We don't believe you help the community.
Prove us the contrary. Stop all those stupid anti competitive
processes. Make compatible APIs, share drivers, etc. !
Np piece of software "exclusively for AOS, or MorphOS",
both are CHILDREN of the Amiga Community. We don't care who
owns a brand.
God, it will take A LONG TIME to offer a viable platform,
so much has to be developed. We need everyone...
Man, I know all my blabbering is useless anyways...
They're all just stubborn and stupid :-/
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 27 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by OT on 16-May-2002 07:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Christophe Decanini):
Well said.
Anyway, it should be said aswell that if you are not interested in AmigaONE
news, please, do not read the comments of these pieces of news.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 28 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 07:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (OT):
<troll>
Just Christophe showing his bias ;-)
</troll>
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 29 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by twicer on 16-May-2002 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (DaveW):
his bias? this is website is called AMIGA network news, not Maurfos or whatever...
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 30 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 09:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Nichelle):
There is no cause for alarm.
It's not because the AmigaOne doesn't (yet?) have Firewire onboard that we don't intend to support Firewire.
In fact, as soon as the USB stack for OS 4 is done (it's currently being beta-tested) we can examine the best way to bring Firewire to OS 4.
I'm sure you will agree that Firewire on a PCI card is a viable option for those who really want Firewire support.
Considering the fact that there are now soundcards and graphics boards wilt Firewire support, this could even be handled without losing a PCI slot.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 31 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ralf on 16-May-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Don't take away the Morfos advocates' last argument.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 32 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 09:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (the man in the shadows):
you really want to share agp bandwidth between gfx data and mass storage data ?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 33 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Martin Heine on 16-May-2002 09:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
@Ben Hermans:
At amiga-news.de there has been confusion if the AOne will also be shown on TV at "neues", May 27th - can you confirm this?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 34 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 16-May-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (twicer):
<troll>
That shows *Christians* bias - to be more holistic he changed it to ANN from Amiga Network News. I dont know what the A stands for, Amiga-a-like or Amiga-compatible or even All-comers.
</troll>
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 35 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Need more information...information...information on 16-May-2002 10:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
Hi Ben!
Could you reveal some info about testing...is betatesting process almost over or just begun or...?
How about kernel...does ExecSG already boot nicely on different HW?
How about documentation...I know about hdtoolbox replacement...but how about other parts of OS?
Are you already planned about packaging? DVD Case, plain CD case or Big Box? :P
Is there a nice boot picture from early seconds of OS Boot? I Think there could be gfx or debug mode in boot?
Does Amidock has clock integrated? :)
Phew...Just curious to know some...Thanks in advance! :)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 36 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2002 10:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (gz):
"and MOS supports it's own range of agp cards so there might be some other cards to choose from. "
Could someone post a comprehensive list of supported GFX cards on MOS?
How about the 3D acceleration then?
This is what I know already about MOS (http://www.morphos.de/support.php3):
-Voodoo3 2000, 3000, 3500 (also 3D, but how well?)
-Voodoo4 4500, 5500 (2D only?)
-CyberVisionPPC, BlizzardVisionPPC (also 3D ?)
-CyberVision64/3D (also 3D ;))
-SiS 6326
-Most all CGX V4 (the list linked here contains the same cards as above + some very old ones)
This is what I know about OS4:
-Permedia 2 (also 3D)
-Permedia 3 (also 3D)
-Voodoo 3 (also 3D)
-Matrox G450/G550 (someday also G1000) (also 3D)
-ATI Radeon (series, not every card, though) (also 3D, someday also firewire)
-Most/all of older P96 supported cards. (CVPPC,BVPPC,CV64,CV64-3D,...)
What I would also like to know is how is multimonitor configurations handled in MOS and in OS4?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 37 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (priest):
>-Most/all of older P96 supported cards. (CVPPC,BVPPC,CV64,CV64-3D,...)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but BVision and CVision were IIRC not supported by
older versions of P96.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 38 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 16-May-2002 10:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (David Scheibler):
I think you are right (untill proven otherwise), here's updated post:
Could someone post a comprehensive list of supported GFX cards on MOS?
How about the 3D acceleration then?
How are multimonitor configurations handled in MOS and in OS4?
This is what I know already about MOS (http://www.morphos.de/support.php3):
-Voodoo3 2000, 3000, 3500 (also 3D, but how well?)
-Voodoo4 4500, 5500 (2D only?)
-CyberVisionPPC, BlizzardVisionPPC (also 3D ?)
-CyberVision64/3D (also 3D ;))
-SiS 6326
-Most all CGX V4 (the list linked here contains the same cards as above + some very old ones)
This is what I know about OS4:
-Permedia 2 (also 3D)
-Permedia 3 (also 3D)
-Voodoo 3 (also 3D)
-Matrox G450/G550 (someday also G1000) (also 3D)
-ATI Radeon (series, not every card, though) (also 3D, someday also firewire)
-Most/all of older P96 supported cards. (CV64,CV64-3D,...) (not CVPPC,BVPPC)
And as far as I know multimonitor settings work somehow on both, but not in a very configurable/controlled way (screen not spread to two monitors, no virtualdesktop managers).
Again, information is desperately needed. ;)
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 39 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 10:49 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (David Scheibler):
That's right.
Obviously P96 now does need to support the Permedia 2.
Support for Permedia 2 based PCI cards will also be included.
If anybody was crazy enough to get one of those.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 40 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 16-May-2002 11:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (DaveW):
You should also note that the "Network" part in the old name no longer applied, since it used to refer to the site summarising Usenet news.
So right now, the "A" in ANN has about as much meaning as the "N"... that is, none at all. "ANN" in 2002 is just a name, not an abbreviation.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 41 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 16-May-2002 11:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (priest):
>Could someone post a comprehensive list of supported GFX cards on MOS?
Well your list missed Permedia2 PCI cards which are also supported natively.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 42 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 11:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Martin Heine):
There won't be a demonstration of the AmigaOne on 3SAT until we have a fully working operating system.
You only get one chance to make a first impression and that won't be on May 27.
So no, I doubt very much the AmigaOne will be shown there.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 43 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 11:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 35 (Need more information...information...information):
Question overload :).
Sorry guy but if I have to answer all those questions, I'll be sitting here for hours.
Yes, we are already beta-testing several completed modules like the TCP/IP stack, the salvage and recovery tools, HD Toolbox replacement, the new Intuition etc.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 44 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 11:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Sotiris Papageorgiou):
>I think that there is an oportunity to offer both ami-se as an non-upgratable amiga ppc as a 1200
A1200 _was_ upgradable, and quite well so:
I have an accelerator, fastram, scsi, soundcard, highspeed serial and ethernet!
>and pegaso as high end with support for agp4x
Pegasos has AGP2x. Articia P will come with AGP4x, but that's in a rather distant future.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 45 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Miky060 on 16-May-2002 11:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (Mahen):
It's the opposite!!!!!!! Is Amiga Inc. that does not let OS4.0 to run on Pegasos. Let's send a petition to that bastards of Amiga Inc. to permit to OS 4.0 to run also on Pegasos that is the only one real good hardware solution. AmigaOne with its fucking G3 soldered on SUXXX!!! And Amiga Inc. knows this, so they want to blast Pegasos cause it's a better and cheap (cause it's espandible) solution. Amiga Inc. wants only our money not the rise of AMIGA platform! Come on! Let them know that we are not stupid! OS 4.0 MUST run on every PPC Harware, and don't beleive in licensing/warrranty certificates, they are only stupid lies to take joek of us!!!
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 46 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Treke on 16-May-2002 11:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
What about a new progress report ? ;-)
Somethink like:
Item1 .....%Completted
Item2 .....In Beta-testing phase
.
.
ItemX .....Not planned
etc.
Is it too internal information ?
re
Treke
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 47 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 16-May-2002 11:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Miky060):
I think that in a few days you will feel rather stupid for describing the AmigaOne as inferior and more expensive than the Pegasos.
But that's just my hunch.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 48 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 16-May-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 47 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>I think that in a few days you will feel rather stupid for describing
>the AmigaOne as inferior and more expensive than the Pegasos.
How come?
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 49 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 16-May-2002 12:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Miky060):
LOL! Wouldn't they need a rise of the Amiga platform in order to make money? I'm sorry but try to make money out of the Amiga community as it is today is impossible. On the contrary, it's probably one big loss in even trying as the sales wouldn't cover the development expenses. So, you're argument that Amiga Inc is only in it for stealing money from the Amiga community doesn't make any sense what so ever.
Pegasos and Morphos on German TV 3Sat : Comment 50 of 272ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 16-May-2002 12:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Samface):
AInc has to over what development-costs ??
There has been nothing developed by AInc (atleast
not for the Amiga-market), just relabeling and
outsourcing.
They didn't invest in the A1-HW, that was done by
Eyetech/Escena/MAI, but they will get a licence-
fee for every A1 sold.
If COS4 would be ported for the Pegasos without
bPlan having a AInc-licence they wouldn't get
any money from that HW-sale.
The only money they would get is the COS-licence-
fee which is probraly much less than then the A1-
licence.
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