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Posted on 19-May-2002 14:10 GMT by jah359 comments
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i noticed a new video on aminet:
http://www.aminet.net/pix/mpg/Pegasos.mpg
"This is a demo video of bPlan's Pegasos computer. The video has been created by Thendic-France to give an impression of how the machine runs."
the download is still in progress, but i'm sure it will finish to convince all amiga users thats the ppc amiga they are waiting since years is finally arrived
the next ppc amiga : Comment 1 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 19-May-2002 12:15 GMT
Downloading at 110KB/s, not bad :) Will take only 15 minutes for 91MB
the next ppc amiga : Comment 2 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 12:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (amigammc):
The next PPC amiga.
Whoever posted this either wasnt aware that this phrase is flamebait or was trolling.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 3 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by jah on 19-May-2002 12:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (DaveW):
it me who posted this.
sorry but for now there's only one ppc amiga.
"the next ppc amiga" it dont mean no other will come ...
i dream of an amiga with a ppc as main cpu, for years, now it's there and that's all
if you dont like what is existing dont say other people are "trolling", just sit&wait and dont try to temper the joy of the others
the next ppc amiga : Comment 4 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 12:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (jah):
>it me who posted this.
>sorry but for now there's only one ppc amiga.
AmigaONEG3 at the moment.
> if you dont like what is existing dont say other people are "trolling", just sit&wait and dont try to temper the joy of the others
You ARE trolling because
1. Pegasos is not an Amiga branded product ergo it is not an Amiga.
2. Pegasos is NOT on general sale to the public therefore it is not the current existing PPC solution.
3. Pegasos does currently have no roadmap which includes AmigaOS.
4. If we take existing to mean existing PPC hardware that may or may not ever run AmigaOS ( which includes Pegasos ) then the RS6000 quad processor box sitting under my desk is an Amiga.
Neither A1 or Pegasos is yet released.
You see you *are* deliberately trolling. Im not spoiling your fun, enjoy your Pegasos when you get your hands on it but you deliberately picked that title as either a marketing ploy or a large dollop of troll.
Dave.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 5 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 12:41 GMT
Aye but the pegasos is not an amiga m8, never was, probably never will be unless Hyperion get a dev board.
An Amiga is a machine that can run amigaOS native. Anything else is not an amiga no matter what people from rival camps or amature-philosophers try to tell you.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 6 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveW):
Oh and before the troll follows up and sayes that MorphOS can run AmigaOS3.x apps nicely, so can UAE running on my quad PPC RS6000. In fact it can run it three times as fast as Amithlon on my AMD 2000 according to the benchmark programs ( which admittedly are not a good test ).
Maybe I will sign up to the AmigaOS branding exercise and get a version that works for RS6k ;-)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 7 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 19-May-2002 12:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Anonymous):
Hyperion HAS a dev board - they say they would like to have Pegasos running AOS4, but it is AInc who are stopping them because of all the supposed-legal crap.
In short, AInc have spotted a competitor, and like Microsoft, are trying to use nasty tactics to get rid of them.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 8 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ugr on 19-May-2002 13:03 GMT
Pegasos will be Amiga if AmigaOS for PPC run on it.
MorphOS it's PPC OS but it isn't AmigaOS so Pegasos with MorphOS it isn't next Amiga at the moment.
AmigaOne dev board it isn't Amiga at the moment too. We must wait for AmigaOS 4.
I don't buy any PPC board without official AmigaOS.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 9 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by DaveW on 19-May-2002 13:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 ([JC]):
Hyperion has a Pegasos? Thats news to me. When was that announced?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 10 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Graham on 19-May-2002 13:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 ([JC]):
That is pure bullsh*t and you know it.
Hyperion has always said that they do not have a Pegasos or Pegasos dev board with which to do AmigaOS4 for, and that if they got one, they would make AmigaOS4 run on it.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 11 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by André Siegel on 19-May-2002 13:53 GMT
"that if they got one, they would make AmigaOS4 run on it."
This is not true anymore. Ask Ben Hermanns.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 12 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Samface on 19-May-2002 14:01 GMT
Sigh... It's not an Amiga, it's a MorphOS compatible motherboard called Pegasos. It has nothing to do with Amiga besides beeing able to run classic Amiga software through emulation, that doesn't make it an Amiga. Stop abusing the Amiga brand.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 13 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Elektro on 19-May-2002 14:04 GMT
Interesting video...
the next ppc amiga : Comment 14 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by 4pLaY on 19-May-2002 14:07 GMT
Ok video but they could have added sound.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 15 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 14:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (4pLaY):
There is sound/speech...
the next ppc amiga : Comment 16 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Darrin on 19-May-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 ([JC]):
>>Hyperion HAS a dev board - they say they would like to have Pegasos running AOS4, but it is AInc who are stopping them because of all the supposed-legal crap.
RAOTFCMSAFSARYBS (Rolling All Over The Floor 'Coz My Sides Are F&*$ing Splitting After Reading Your Bull S*#t) - I wonder if that will catch on???
Well "JC" (Damn, even Jesus Christ posts here!) you've just crapped all over any credibility your future posts may hold.
For the record, there is apparently only ONE working Pegasos board and it is being passed around a select group of "Friends of bPlan" for development of MOS applications. Each coder is only allowed to have the board for 14 days and then has to pass it on to the next coder using registered mail. Currently it is in the hands of The Abominable Snowman in Tibet, next it will go to The Loch Ness Monster and eventually it is slated to be passed to Hyperion some time in August 2010. Please get your facts right.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 17 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Samface):
Samface I have to agree with you here (man that hurts ;0)
It's not the "next ppc amiga"
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...it's better *g*
the next ppc amiga : Comment 18 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 19-May-2002 14:11 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (André Siegel):
Where do you people get all inside information from? Just curious..
the next ppc amiga : Comment 19 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (Darrin):
L
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the next ppc amiga : Comment 20 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 14:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
Well key developers like JC get facts from bplan I think ;)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 21 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 19-May-2002 14:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 20 (David Scheibler):
And of course they know of all Amiga's plans.. =)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 22 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
Thats not inside information but has been
written by Ben himself.
A board and the dev-doku are not enough for
COS4 to be ported to the Pegasos as AInc.
decided they needed to setup a "qualitiy"-
scheme that included stuff that wasn't
acceptable for bPlan.
Just go down to the "Pegasos and Morphos on
German TV 3Sat" thread as this has allready
been discussed to death there.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 23 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 14:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (Johan "Graak" Forsberg):
Well if they also produce software for AmigaOS I think so :)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 24 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 19-May-2002 14:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Samface):
Don't be too angry. I think the poster just saw the video and had a wow
effect: "Wow, that's my next Amiga!". That's what he posted then. Too bad human
beeings have feelings and don't always think about what's official or what's
not.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 25 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Johan "Graak" Forsberg on 19-May-2002 14:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 22 (Kronos):
Yeah, I've been reading that thread all day.. =) But, what exactly is the problem for getting OS4 on the Pegasos? Let's assume bPlan sends Hyperion a Pegasos board, is an AmigaOne license the "only" thing required for OS4 support on the Pegasos then?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 26 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by jah on 19-May-2002 14:30 GMT
ok i admit i did a mistake by using the "amiga" name.
Amiga is not only a word and a trademark
Amiga is the name of the "computer" i did grow with.
For me the amiga trademark is dead a bit after the dead of commodore.
It has been totally buried when the rests of it (ainc) decided to go into peecee way and tried to fool us with their DE things
and thats a PERSONNAL opinion
nobody cant prevent me to carve "AMIGA" on each piece of my pegasos and to call it my "miggi"
sorry again to have badly used a trademarked word
ps: Dave W., can you run a workbench,Imagine or ced on you quad-ppc ?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 27 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 14:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveW):
And then so a are both of my single cpu RS6000's sitting under my desk as well :)
Cheers, mate
the next ppc amiga : Comment 28 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by the man in the shadows on 19-May-2002 14:33 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Graham):
> "that if they got one, they would make AmigaOS4 run on it."
I'm sure if Hyperion does have one and bPlan license AmigaOS4 extended bios/rom, that Hyperion would have no trouble writing the needed components for the Pegasos. It's unfortunate that I have extreme doubts in my mind that bPlan will license OS4 all thanks to the restrictions.
... I'm kind of curious why the background on the operating system took forever to load. On my 233MHz 604 I had a scaled image (from 1600x1200 down to 1024x768) display by the time two icons were on the screen under OS3.9.
... Since when did the Pegasos have the option to support G5 processors? Last time I checked it was only G3s and G4s with Dual processor support for LinuxPPC only. Perhaps this was an oversite by the narrator?
Maybe I'm trolling... maybe I just don't understand it enough to really comment... who knows.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 29 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 14:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 26 (jah):
Under emulation he can, and don't tell me you can run it without emulation under MoreFuss on a Pegasos either.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 30 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Just like under COS4 on a A1.gimmesomenumbers.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 31 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion on 19-May-2002 14:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (the man in the shadows):
For the record, Hyperion ofcourse does NOT have a bPlan development machine and in fact, there has not been a production run of development boards.
Only a few boards exist.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 32 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 31 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>For the record, Hyperion ofcourse does NOT have a bPlan development machine
O.k. that information.
>and in fact, there has not been a production run of development boards.
And that senseless trolling !
>Only a few boards exist.
Troll !!
the next ppc amiga : Comment 33 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 14:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 4 (DaveW):
>>sorry but for now there's only one ppc amiga.
>AmigaONEG3 at the moment.
Right, but AmigaONE doesn't count, because it only runs Linux atm.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 34 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by CMOS on 19-May-2002 14:56 GMT
Heh...there's some eye candy in MOS too...magic menu intergrated? ;)
Seriously...nice video thought there's bit hype on Firewire ;)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 35 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Kronos on 19-May-2002 14:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Kronos):
Just to make this clear:
Ben is just as much trolling here as Nicolas
when he tells everybody when COS4 will be
released.
Both MAY be right but as long as they don't
give some proof for their "information" its
just trolling !
the next ppc amiga : Comment 36 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by z5 on 19-May-2002 14:58 GMT
In reply to Comment 32 (Kronos):
Kronos, you are amazing. You post on amiga.org, ann.lu and amiganews and the funny thing is that you have never used Morphos yourself :) Now talk about not having a life or being extremely bored :)
Anyway, nice presentation from Morphos/Pegasos and the first proof that the board exists and is running. This is good publicity for Pegasos/Morphos (hiqh quality video by the way), far better publicity than all the vicious attacks on forums and news sites.
So what about it, Hyperion? A video from Amiga OS4.0 running on AmigaOne. Or maybe even the OS4.0 beta?
It's about time something is happening and that we actually see something. Maybe we will actually be able to buy something in one or two months?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 37 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (the man in the shadows):
>Since when did the Pegasos have the option to support G5 processors?
>Last time I checked it was only G3s and G4s with Dual processor support for LinuxPPC only.
>Perhaps this was an oversite by the narrator?
The bplan flyer at Cologne fair last year mentioned G3, G4 and G5 up to 2GHz+.
But this has to be seen in context of the Mac rumoursites' G5 hype at the end
of last year when everyone was speculating what Apple might release in Jan 2002.
Bplan admitted the have no G5 samples yet, but it is said the G5 still supports the
legacy 60x bus, so technically there is the possibility for a G5 inside Pegasos1.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 38 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Troels ersking on 19-May-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
And Pegasos doesn't count because it's unclear if it will _ever_ be able to run AmigaOS4. MoreFuss is no more Amiga than qnx or linux is..
Right now PegaSOS is no more Amiga than my old 566mhz Celeron PC... Both can emulate AmigaOS, just like qnx, linux and others can, but thats it.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 39 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 19-May-2002 15:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
An Amiga is a computer that runs Amiga software such as Scala, DeLuxe
Paint, Brilliance, Bars & Pipes, etc etc.
The only purpose of a computer is to run programs (unless you are
happy to just prettify your Workbench display).
So if it runs Scala, it's an Amiga, whether Amiga Inc gave it
permission to exist or not.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 40 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 19-May-2002 15:14 GMT
I just watched the video, and I'm impressed at what they've achieved being a small company. So far, what they have shown gives me far more hope for the future of the Amiga than anything AInc have done. It's no surprise therefore that AInc want to stamp on Pegasos.
The people who say "but it's not an Amiga" are just narrow minded. That's like saying a PC isn't a PC unless it's from IBM.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 41 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 15:19 GMT
In reply to Comment 38 (Troels ersking):
Pegasos (final board) runs an Amigaish PPC replacement OS, that's an important step.
@JC:
>I just watched the video, and I'm impressed at what they've achieved being a small company.
Small company...1/2 year late.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 42 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 15:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Anonymous):
There is no "G5", or Motorola's site would be swamped with G5 commercials, not G4... The only doc for G5 chips you can find on their site is the 8540, which does NOT support the 60x bus, as far as I can tell (from their fact sheet). It does, however, have dual Gbit ethernet, 100Mbit ethernet, DDR-333 controller, PCI-X@133MHz and RapidIO. But the performance is "estimated", so I don't think they are shipping yet. The point? Wait another year, there might be a desktop version of the chip, but as it is now, it's got the northbridge on-die... And how the frell do you make a CPU slot like the peggy has when northbridge is on-die, eh? Right, you either don't, or do it badly ;)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 43 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ugr on 19-May-2002 15:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Don Cox):
> An Amiga is a computer that runs Amiga software such
> as Scala, DeLuxe Paint, Brilliance, Bars & Pipes, etc etc.
> So if it runs Scala, it's an Amiga, whether Amiga Inc gave
> it permission to exist or not.
Programs are multiplatform. You can run Scala on Amiga and you can run
Scala on PC with Windows.
Amiga this is computer with Amiga Operating System (AmigaOS)
like Macintosh - computer with Macintosh Operating System (MacOS)
or Windows it's system for IA-32 computer
Pegasos without native AmigaOS or PC without native AmigaOS this isn't
Amiga computers.
How long we have to speak about it yet?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 44 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ugr on 19-May-2002 15:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 ([JC]):
> That's like saying a PC isn't a PC unless it's from IBM.
Ofcourse, that PC isn't IBM PC it is only PC from XYZ company. Or better this is computer compatible with IA-33 you can run OS like Windows or Linux on it.
the next ppc amiga : Comment 45 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 15:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 42 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
Ok, but you mention a SoC CPU.
I think the "real" G5 will be announced when Apple is ready to put them in new Macs.
After all, they are part of AIM alliance. :-)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 46 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 15:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 44 (Ugr):
IA-33, eh?
I wonder if that's IA-32 compatible, and if they gained any performance
LOL
Nothing personal, just feeling bored when I saw your cute typo :)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 47 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 15:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 39 (Don Cox):
>An Amiga is a computer that runs Amiga software such as Scala, DeLuxe
>Paint, Brilliance, Bars & Pipes, etc etc.
You missed out an important word there - That should read "An Amiga is a computer that runs Amiga software _NATIVELY_ such as Scala, DeLuxe Paint, Brilliance, Bars & Pipes, etc etc."
I like to play N64 games on my PC with UltraHLE but this doesnt mean my PC has suddenly become a N64. Its just a PC running an emulator. Just like if I was running Amithlon, Winuae, ZSNES, or any one of the multitude of other emulators out there.
>So if it runs Scala, it's an Amiga, whether Amiga Inc gave it
>permission to exist or not.
What, even the PC version of Scala ?
If a computer runs Sabre Wulf its a Spectrum ?
the next ppc amiga : Comment 48 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 15:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 45 (Anonymous):
The way it looks right now (look at Motorola roadmap, the G5s will be named 85xx, G6 will be named 86xx, and 8xxx is embedded chips), the G5 and G6 will be embedded chips. There might be a few desktop versions, but remember there are a lot more embedded systems than there are home computers... It's cool to have dual Gbit on-chip, though. That's a single-chip Gigabit firewall with 100Mbit line for "logs and such" ;)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 49 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 19-May-2002 15:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 48 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>the G5 and G6 will be embedded chips.
Hey, even "the MPC7455 was named 2001 EMBEDDED PROCESSOR OF THE YEAR" :-)
the next ppc amiga : Comment 50 of 359ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 19-May-2002 15:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 49 (Anonymous):
Yes. And it is a lot simpler to embed than your garden variety IA-32 (which do come in embedded and/or low power versions as well, it's just not Intels primary concern). But the 8xxx chips all have a lot MORE embedded features than the 7xxx series. A LOT. Like PCI/RAM controllers onboard, etc. You don't need PCI in every embedded system, but it can be very nice to have it there...
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