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[News] Pegasos and MorphOS presented in BordeauxANN.lu
Posted on 07-Jul-2002 19:05 GMT by Teemu I. Yliselä257 comments
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Here you can see some photos from a Pegasos presentation held yesterday in Bordeaux, France. [ Mirrors: 1, 2, 3 - CK ]
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 101 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 98 (Anonymous):
Hyperion have given us clear shots of the GUI and shown various *features* , they have given evidence , so they can use the word *great* and stick it to *work*.
Also hyperion have given the goods before , trace all the publicly known members of the *B plan* and most of them have been in companies that have gone the way of the drain , not *Great*ly boosting the trust of them. Then they go and get the *great* pegasos produced at the same place where at thousands of dollars/pounds/euro's of other people's hardware rests forever more. Which BTW has a stinking PPC kernel planted on it , damn i hope those people never make an os ;)
It really makes you want to buy products from these guys dunnit :)
Damn hope it doesn't use CGX , thats 5X slower then P96 at the VNC client :P
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 102 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 100 (cheesegrate):
You gotta love bill bucks swear / shout , ask questions later idea.
I wonder if he has ever used an *amiga* and really knows what he's promoting ?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 103 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 08-Jul-2002 04:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (cOrpse):
Hello,
"Hyperion have given us clear shots of the GUI and shown various *features* , they have given evidence , so they can use the word *great* and stick it to *work*."
Ok, that's because the pictures are not clear, and I'm very sorry for that. But if Bill is right we will see clear shots soon.
Personally the OS 4 shots didn't impressed me so much and I far prefer the MOS GUI. Anyway wait a little more and you'll be able to see it more clearly.
"Also hyperion have given the goods before , trace all the publicly known members of the *B plan* and most of them have been in companies that have gone the way of the drain , not *Great*ly boosting the trust of them. Then they go and get the *great* pegasos produced at the same place where at thousands of dollars/pounds/euro's of other people's hardware rests forever more. Which BTW has a stinking PPC kernel planted on it , damn i hope those people never make an os ;)"
That's your opinion, but without them the Amiga would have died already and they got a lot of good engineering skills. They have also proven their skills in the past and have done a really great job with the Pegasos and MorphOS. I really thanks them a lot for all great things they done in the past.
"It really makes you want to buy products from these guys dunnit :)"
Yes, I want to buy the Pegasos ;)
Regards
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 104 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 99 (Frodon):
"WOW, I'm always impressed by the imagination of people! ;-)"
all the girls say that ;)
"Of course NOT!"
thank the lord for that , that'd be so bad it'd wouldn't even be funny.
"No you got lot of imagination but you misinterpreted sorry :-)
The 68k apps was here to show the Compatibility of MorphOS, nothing more! And I've not told every apps shown because:
1) I can't remember all of them
2) As I said, I didn't take care of everything because I talk a lot with others Amiga fans there"
Did they show off hyperions quake 2 port again ;).
"I'ce already mentioned some of them!!!! The new desktop is full MUI based and so benefit from MUI features like help bubbles and so on and it's already as usable as original Workbench. More other cool things are planned including new 24bits icons and some features only available on Dopus 5 for now."
hohoho MUI desktop , can it now , can it now , please can it now. Also having a 3rd lib as a main part of your os ? bloody madness , the mui author gets pissed off and your screwed , just like when amiga inc said no deal.
"I said that because it's still a Beta and I didn't expect it to be so stable (it never crash!). I don't like Windows for some reason. I wonder why are you still waiting for a new "Amiga" as Windows seems to satisfy you enough???"
I use *alot* of beta software .. Hell i did aol beta'in just for fun ... And just because a system runs at a show for a while it doesn't mean stable , win98 fine for 2 weeks , nice bitta uninstall and reinstall its stable as a shopping cart full of beer on jelly wheels.
"Yeah I agree that it's normal that it's already usable as it'll be released soon. It was just for people who still not believe that MorphOS is usable."
At this stage all the feature code should be finished , it should be cleaning up and bug fixing time ! 2000 and .net where almost fully finished 1/2 way thru the beta series ... they make sloppy code and clean it up near the end ... but still if microsoft can do it !
And for MOS trolls that believe the aONe doesn't exist , its being used by real people right now !
"Yes maybe the "Exciting" word is better??? ;)"
Maybe "Why?" would be a better word ;)
"I've used Amigas over the years, from the A500 to my actual PPC A1200 :)"
I mean certain for inside the team that come here and shout "the pegasos is a great product" hehe
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 105 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Frodon):
"That's your opinion, but without them the Amiga would have died already and they got a lot of good engineering skills. They have also proven their skills in the past and have done a really great job with the Pegasos and MorphOS. I really thanks them a lot for all great things they done in the past."
Amiga would have been alot better off without the kernel wars and phase 5 taking money and not giving the goods. As for good engineering skills .. their so good half the cards were faulty and DCE is so good they keep the cards for a couple years just to make sure their working ;)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 106 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Frodon):
"Ok, that's because the pictures are not clear, and I'm very sorry for that. But if Bill is right we will see clear shots soon.
Personally the OS 4 shots didn't impressed me so much and I far prefer the MOS GUI. Anyway wait a little more and you'll be able to see it more clearly."
Don't think you get me , its not just pictures e.g. hyperion showed the different menu settings etc and labelled them. If MOS are just going to produce a set of screen shots with that stupid pill crap background ( ooo look we escaped from nasty amiga inc ... but shhh don't tell the trolls we're selling them a hardware PDA SDK shh else we'll all go bankrupt yet again ) they needn't bother.
Bloody hell , i'd rather be a sheep then think i'm part of some bleeding edge computing elite that even RiscOs can run out of town.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 107 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 08-Jul-2002 04:40 GMT
In reply to Comment 104 (cOrpse):
"all the girls say that ;)"
I'm not a girl and it was ironic ;-) This was bad imagination in that case :)
"Did they show off hyperions quake 2 port again ;)."
No but as far as I know, Heretic 2 was installed. I don't know if they show it or not and I didn't take care at this time. But at least it's working I know that as it works on my PPC Amiga with MorphOS and I'm sure it's very fast on a G3 600Mhz ;)
"hohoho MUI desktop , can it now , can it now , please can it now. Also having a 3rd lib as a main part of your os ? bloody madness , the mui author gets pissed off and your screwed , just like when amiga inc said no deal."
Don't worry, the MUI author is fully aware of the use of MUI in MorphOS. In fact the MOS Team have contacted him to be able to make the MorphOS PPC version of MUI 3.9 :)
"I use *alot* of beta software .. Hell i did aol beta'in just for fun ... And just because a system runs at a show for a while it doesn't mean stable , win98 fine for 2 weeks , nice bitta uninstall and reinstall its stable as a shopping cart full of beer on jelly wheels."
Yes some betas work well some other not :) Anyway for MorphOS it's not so impressive as it's highly beta tested by external beta testers (in addition to internal testers :) ) all around the world :)
"At this stage all the feature code should be finished , it should be cleaning up and bug fixing time ! 2000 and .net where almost fully finished 1/2 way thru the beta series ... they make sloppy code and clean it up near the end ... but still if microsoft can do it !"
I'm sure they are finished but not yet shown as not yet sufficiently tested to be shown.
"And for MOS trolls that believe the aONe doesn't exist , its being used by real people right now !"
The AOne exist yes, the hardware. AmigaOS 4 is in an early stage on the AmigaOne.
"Maybe "Why?" would be a better word ;)"
You'll see why soon :) Wait for real screenshots. Again I'm sorry for the bad quality of pictures :(
"I mean certain for inside the team that come here and shout "the pegasos is a great product" hehe"
Ok, but they are right, the Pegasos is a great product :)
Regards
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 108 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Frodon):
"Don't worry, the MUI author is fully aware of the use of MUI in MorphOS. In fact the MOS Team have contacted him to be able to make the MorphOS PPC version of MUI 3.9 :) "
You've got to think of it like this : " MOS one day decides it doesn't want the amiga community and instead wants to sell digital convergence , the MUI author says that totally sucks and they've tricked everyone and puts his middle finger up and says " F*ck you bunch of S*it faces , you've just lost your MUI license " your then screwed "
:P
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 109 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren on 08-Jul-2002 04:52 GMT
I expect a full retribution from the bunch of assholes who claimed the Pegasos did not use a MAI chipset. David Scheibler is first on my list, I believe.
On the other hand, I think it's great that they are using the same chipset as in my A1, because that means it'll be a lot easier to port AOS4 to it :-)
Actually, if everyone could just stop acting like assholes, I think I could probably buy a Peggy later on. First I'm gonna buy an extra A1 or two, but maybe later ;-)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 110 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Jul-2002 04:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (cOrpse):
I hope u get hit by a bus soon. ;)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 111 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 04:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 110 (cheesegrate):
Saying that my mate got hit my a care about a month a go , lost his right eye and his faced is all smashed up.
There again Mr Grate you wouldn't know about such things , living in that Pegasos box you made up 24/7.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 112 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 05:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
"I expect a full retribution from the bunch of assholes who claimed the Pegasos did not use a MAI chipset. David Scheibler is first on my list, I believe. "
i believe mr buck also said it wasn't the forementioned chip. Alot of Mos people owe Ben Heramns a apolodgy.
Wow and now the pegasos can be called an AmigaONE clone or a teronCX , the shame !!
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 113 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Nicolas Sallin on 08-Jul-2002 05:15 GMT
And because it uses a VIA then it's a PC xyz, isn't it ?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 114 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Trizt on 08-Jul-2002 05:25 GMT
Sadly the "screenshots" was of such low qaulity, but it's nice to see it in action anyhow. Just waiting for getting enough money to buy one.
Wondering if there are any thought releasedate for a G4 CPU-card, as I would rather have that than a G3 (A Dual G3/400 feels slow with MacOS IMHO).
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 115 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by priest on 08-Jul-2002 05:26 GMT
I did not find any pegasos/MOS roadmap at http://www.thendic-france.com. There was some "Eclipsis" roadmap, though...
Full featurelist and OS (&HW) development roadmaps would be nice.
How about user experiences?
According to http://www.thendic-france.com pegasos has been shipping since 1st of June, still I have not seen any review of it, etc...? How compatible it is, etc.
...anyway. It's funny that every new OS product receives equally idiotic response at ANN. ;)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 116 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 08-Jul-2002 05:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 82 (Nicolas Sallin):
"I hope no clear screenshot will be published in the coming days or
some features will be copied in the next "OS update" announce like it
already happened before."
So what the hell are you talking about? This whole MOSbench is one big stupid copy of the original workbench anyway. And adding a couple of "new" features won't change this fact.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 117 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2002 05:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 101 (cOrpse):
>Hyperion have given us clear shots of the GUI and shown various *features* , they have given evidence ,
>so they can use the word *great* and stick it to *work*.
Well, first and foremost, it has been Amiga Inc. - not Hyperion - that has been shouting from the rooftop about the greatness of their plan for the past two and a half years. There is nothing great about the products out there at this time (perhaps excluding the AmigaOne hardware if we give Amiga credit for that, but due to NDA restrictions we really don't know yet). The DE stuff is mediocre (the intent base may be interesting but doesn't really live up to its potential yet in Amiga), I mean, mediocre to truly bad.
AmigaOS 4.0 we haven't seen yet. The screenshots were interesting, but hardly proof of greatness. We'll have to wait and see. So far we have hype from both sides (more so from Amiga than from the other camp, they've discussed this in a few forums only - Amiga have been going around talking about their "exciting" stuff a lot more while also breaking a lot more promises). I'm afraid that you are indeed using a double standard here.
>Also hyperion have given the goods before ,
Agreed. And I do trust them quite a bit.
> trace all the publicly known members of the *B plan*
The have delivered some extremely important goods before as well. I can't believe how much people downplay the only significant hardware development in the Amiga community in the latter half of the 1990s, the PowerPC accelerator. These people made it. Even Hyperion are using those to create the OS upgrade. Now, there are unfortunare business stories there, but as I see it, many of the people doing the actual work are hardly to blame any more than we blame Dave Haynie for Commodore's collapse.
> and most of them have been in companies that have gone the way of the drain
Well, that's something that happens when you large take risks in the Amiga land. It is a tough and small market. Although I know and do admit a lot of unfortunate stuff happened there and with better management perhaps some of that could have been avoided. But then, we're not blaming Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss for the stuff Gateway did either. Unless you know something about the inner workings of these companies to make specific accusations, please don't generalize.
> Which BTW has a stinking PPC kernel planted on it , damn i hope those
> people never make an os ;)
You don't believe in growth and learning through experience? PowerUp may have lost to WarpUp, but that doesn't mean these people didn't learn anything from the experience. Lets see how it turns out this time - not the previous time.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 118 of 257ANN.lu
In reply to Comment 111 (cOrpse):
Message removed by CK for violation of ANN's posting rules.
Specific reason from moderator: Various etiquette violations
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 119 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by David Scheibler on 08-Jul-2002 05:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 109 (Ole-Egil Hvitmyren):
>I expect a full retribution from the bunch of assholes who claimed the Pegasos
>did not use a MAI chipset. David Scheibler is first on my list, I believe.
Wrong. What I said is that bplan knows how to design motherboards aorund
northbridges. On the other hand your the second guy who claims I did otherwise
so I think it wasn't clear what I said.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 120 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cheesegrate on 08-Jul-2002 06:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 118 (cheesegrate):
oh yeah and forgot the smiley
;)
;P
if you are not american then please replace it with the country of residence
have a great day!
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 121 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Frodon on 08-Jul-2002 06:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 106 (cOrpse):
Hello,
"Don't think you get me , its not just pictures e.g. hyperion showed the different menu settings etc and labelled them. If MOS are just going to produce a set of screen shots with that stupid pill crap background ( ooo look we escaped from nasty amiga inc ... but shhh don't tell the trolls we're selling them a hardware PDA SDK shh else we'll all go bankrupt yet again ) they needn't bother."
First, I have look at the "OS 4" shots again and I haven't noticed any new features in comparison to AmigaOS 3.9 in the OS 4.0 screenshots, except esthetical stuffs (which are not so new anyway).
Second, no official screenshot of MOS have been produced yet. My pictures are not official at all, it's just pictures took by me and as I said I didn't had time to take more interesting pictures showing new features.
So wait for real shots and until that time just don't try to speculate on the pictures.
Regards
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 122 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by catohagen on 08-Jul-2002 06:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 120 (cheesegrate):
jeesh....what pill did you take ? calm down.....did you read the comment
guidelines ?
"Using Abusive language and swear words, or insulting other persons is not tolerated, and any such comments can be deleted with any further warning. You are going to add a comment to a site which is also being viewed by minors or people who are easily offended. Please act accordingly"
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 123 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Budda on 08-Jul-2002 07:32 GMT
I read that some people claimed the "MOSBench" screenshot didn't look like MUI was being used - MUI windows can be configurd to look identical to the old style intuition windows!
It's important that the MOS desktop is close to the original Amiga WB one for compatibility. You can add new features, but the old ones have still go to be there - hence why it currently looks so much like the old one, except it's written in MUI meaning fully OO design and easy to expand!
The name of the MOS desktop is 7 letters long last time I heard. No references to "bench" in it either.
The desktop screen name will probably have to remain as "WORKBENCH" for application compatibility - like Scalos has to as well.
Scalos (www.scalos.co.uk) has help bubbles / tooltips over icons already. And the users don't seem to be too fond of them.
Some cleaner screen shots would be nice, I'm interested in the window title bars... is it a scin or a clever Birdie bitmap?
I run Birdie on Amithlon/P96 - so I don't fully understand why Birdie would not work on MOS too, both emulate 68k and have a cybergraphx compatible API, right?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 124 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2002 07:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (cOrpse):
>MOS one day decides it doesn't want the amiga community and instead wants to
>sell digital convergence
Hmm, wasn't it actually Amiga Inc that did that?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 125 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 08-Jul-2002 07:38 GMT
Please tell me (Alkis, Bill, Eva etc) when MorphOS will be ready and will the final version also run on the classic hardware, like BlizzardPPC?
Thanks.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 126 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 08:21 GMT
In reply to Comment 108 (cOrpse):
1) You don't know Stunz.
2) You can't cancel a contract like that.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 127 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jul-2002 08:22 GMT
In reply to Comment 41 (Bill):
> This is a new deal and there are people like "Christian" who are ready to
> start a "new" company.
I'm not sure who Bill is referring to, but to prevent any rumours from forming, it is not me. I'm neither considering starting a company, nor selling any hardware.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 128 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 08:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 123 (Budda):
Birdie is a hack. Intuition, layers etc. are PPC in MorphOS, so you can't just
use an old 68k patch to patch them, it will patch PPC code with 68k one and
make a mess of it.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 129 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 08:27 GMT
In reply to Comment 125 (Jon):
Please tell me (Alkis, Bill, Eva etc) when MorphOS will be ready?
I'll quote laire here (well, even Hyperion and Amiga Inc used the same phrase,
so it must be valid:))
"When it's done".
> and will the final version also run on the classic hardware, like BlizzardPPC?
Yes.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 130 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Daniel Miller on 08-Jul-2002 08:29 GMT
In reply to Comment 96 (Frodon):
Frodon typed:
> Ok let's be clear! I'm the guy who made the pictures and
> we both show original Workbench and MOSBench as stated by
> Mark Olsen. We saw lot of softwares running on it
> including ImageFX, Cinema4D and Arteffect for the 68k
> apps. And also some MOS PPC Apps like Softcinema or
> Frogger 2.0 Beta. We also saw some of the new features of
> the MOSBench.
> And I've to admit that I've been quite impressed by the
> stability, the speed and the already quite complete
> usability.
<stuff clipped>
Don't worry about the pictures. We don't expect glitzy marketing announcements and eye candy all the time. I disagree with the guy who says the important thing is to have all the the teenyboppers tell their cousins "this is cool and I can copy CDs etc. etc." We want substance! These pictures were taken at a real-life demonstration of a new computer, the old fashioned way.
When you talk about stability and usability, that means you can run a lot of things for long sessions without problems. I am very interested in ImageFX. Can you tell us some more about the ImageFX demonstration?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 131 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 08-Jul-2002 08:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 129 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
So I might be able to buy a MOS 1.0 CD from somewhere when the legal issues (or are there any now?) have been solved?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 132 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 08:39 GMT
In reply to Comment 131 (Jon):
Probably, but I don't know the distribution method they'll choose.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 133 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by 3seas on 08-Jul-2002 09:43 GMT
since we are on the side lines, nit really allowed to participate in this game between AmigaONE and PegasOS (sp?) can we at least do the wave?
I'll start.
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Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 134 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 08-Jul-2002 11:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 132 (Alkis Tsapanidis):
Alkis, since you know a lot what's going inside, do you happen to have a clue if Laire has any interest to support AmigaOne hw (MOS on A1) or, would he rather commit a suicide than see OS4 running on Pegasos?-)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 135 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 11:05 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Jon):
Ask him:)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 136 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Amifan on 08-Jul-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 134 (Jon):
Erm...well ofcourse he will rather commit suicide then letting AmigaOS4 run on their hardware.
To make it once and for all clear:
Ralp SchmidtMorphOS = bPLAN.
Thendic FrancePegasos + Eclipsis + MorphOS.
Thendric France doesn't care if AmigaOS4 runs on the Pegasos, they just want to sell mobo's and later on the Eclipsis.
Ralph Schmidt is still aiming at the Amiga. He wants MorphOS to be the one and only new AmigaOS.
In his eyes are Eyetech, Hyperion, H&P and AmigaInc. evil(tm). So te only goal in his life is to beat those people and AmigaOS4 ofcourse and make this MorphOS for president dream come true.
He would rather commit suicide then letting AmigaOS4 run on their hardware. And that'sexactly why I want AmigaOS4 for the Pegasos ;-)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 137 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by KillWin on 08-Jul-2002 11:35 GMT
In reply to Comment 136 (Amifan):
Hello,
I really wonder how people can be so stupid????
Bye
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 138 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 30 (Bill):
> Everyone who was there is now a believer in the Pegasos.
lol, believer in what? The machine technical capabilities are certainly not an indication that it will be successfull.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 139 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 11:44 GMT
In reply to Comment 46 (Bill):
>I do not like "flamewars" -- I just hate cowards!
>and we DON"T sell coupons!!!
You look just like another troll to me
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 140 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 11:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 52 (Christophe Decanini):
>If you could highlight us it would be great.
I don't want to be highlighted ;-)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 141 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 08-Jul-2002 11:48 GMT
The best parts of both systems could be utilized..I mean, I would (and will) buy both OSses.
<dream mode on>Maybe some day, there will be 4 gentlemen sitting around the same table in a pub: Ben, Ralph, Bill and Alan..</dream mode off>
;)
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 142 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 08-Jul-2002 11:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Jon):
> The best parts of both systems could be utilized..I mean, I would (and will) > buy both OSses.
Me too.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 143 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Christian Kemp on 08-Jul-2002 12:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 141 (Jon):
> Maybe some day, there will be 4 gentlemen sitting around the same table
> in a pub. [..]
And they will be in disagreement about which beer is the best, whose turn it is to get the next round, and anyway, why didn't they go to the pub around the corner which is just so much better?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 144 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Rik Sweeney on 08-Jul-2002 12:14 GMT
*VERY OFFTOPIC*
I'm not able to view comments that aren't in the current group e.g. If someone has replied to comment 46 you can't jump back to that comment. Thought I'd let you know...
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 145 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 70 (Bill):
>If there is **anyone** that wants to buy a Pegasos they can email us.
>We will make sure they can buy one. Simple! For now, that is
>marketing enough.
Shows how much you know about marketing. What you're doing is telemarketing. Before buying a product I want to know what I will be able to do with that, what kind of customer support I will receive and if there will be updates for my system. So far, from Amiga's coupons we know that at least 450 peopl will buy and AmigaOne for sure, how many people will definitely buy a Pegasos?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 146 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by cOrpse on 08-Jul-2002 12:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 121 (Frodon):
"First, I have look at the "OS 4" shots again and I haven't noticed any new features in comparison to AmigaOS 3.9 in the OS 4.0 screenshots, except esthetical stuffs (which are not so new anyway)."
1: the gui now looks correct on 4:3 screens
2: Window elements *seem* completly customizable.
3: MagicMenu-like features built in
N.B those screens are os3.9 running 4.0's new intution , this was *one* of the dev machines :).
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 147 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2002 12:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 105 (cOrpse):
>their so good half the cards were faulty
2% says DCE.
>and DCE is so good they keep the cards for
>a couple years just to make sure their working
Obviously they could not get the parts in time.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 148 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 08-Jul-2002 12:52 GMT
In reply to Comment 112 (cOrpse):
>i believe mr buck also said it wasn't the forementioned chip.
Proof?
>Alot of Mos people owe Ben Heramns a apolodgy.
That Hermans who knows exactly the number of MAI NBs bplan owns?
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 149 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 13:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 103 (Frodon):
>Personally the OS 4 shots didn't impressed me so much and I far
>prefer the MOS GUI
As it's been said only a billion times, the purpose of the screenshots was showing that the user has 100% control of what the desktop will look like. I haven't see any evidence yet that MOS is so flexible yet
>they got a lot of good engineering skills. They have also proven their
>skills in the past and have done a really great job with the Pegasos
>and MorphOS
I can agree with this, the guys have a lot of good skills. Unfortunately marketing is not one of those, but can't really blame the techies for that.
>Yes, I want to buy the Pegasos ;)
I certainly don't want to influence your choices, but are you sure it wouldn't end up the same way of the users of an Archimedes or Amstrad, etc.?
I mean, where is Pegasos/MorphOS going after the first release? How many users is the userbase and how many people are willing to buy a system? I tried to answer these questions myself and if the situation doesn't look very bright for AmigaOne it certainly looks much less brigther for Pegasos.
Pegasos and MorphOS presented in Bordeaux : Comment 150 of 257ANN.lu
Posted by amigammc on 08-Jul-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 107 (Frodon):
>AmigaOS 4 is in an early stage on the AmigaOne.
Is it really? Are you on the list of the beta testers?
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