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[News] Production Teron CX systems soon for US$500ANN.lu
Posted on 04-Sep-2002 06:51 GMT by JoeBlow44 comments
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www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease090302.html Production version Teron systems using the Teron CX design will soon be available for purchasing from Mai Logic's strategic partners in the targeted price range of around $500.00 each.
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Posted by anarchic_teapot (80.13.228.147) on 04-Sep-2002 08:27 GMT
Current conversion rate for GBP 350 (price on Eyetech's website)into euros/USD gives a value of around 550.
Looks promising.
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Posted by Samface (131.116.254.197) on 04-Sep-2002 09:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anarchic_teapot):
MAI and Eyetech are partners so I doubt any of the two products will be cheaper than the other. Besides, that board won't run AmigaOS4.
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Posted by Anonymous (217.35.4.173) on 04-Sep-2002 09:31 GMT
Wow. This brings back so many memories. Do you remember SDRAM DIMMs? Only being able to fit 2GB of RAM? IDE interfaces that only did UltraATA 66? 32-bit PCI @ 33Mhz ? Modems that plug into a phone socket ?
MAI offer you the chance to travel back in time to the 20th century, to a time when the Athlon was a new processor and no-one knew what the iLink hole was for on their Sony laptop. Not only is this a uniquely expensive way to get obsolete hardware, but it's guaranteed incompatible with your existing software too.
Next week they'll be offering quad CPU boards for the i486SX.
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Posted by JoeBlow (144.132.7.122) on 04-Sep-2002 09:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Ummm, we're talking about PPC hardware here... couldn't give a rats arse about ix86 hardware running Windows.
Anyway, the fact that Teron CX boards are going into production is good news for A1 fans.
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Posted by Hagge (213.112.60.126) on 04-Sep-2002 09:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Not that i would buy one of those, but anyway:
SDRAM - Doesn't matter since the PPC cpu isn't fast enough for ddr anyway (PPC7470 or something might be).
2GB of ram - enough...
UltraATA66 - "No" harddrives uses over 66MB/s anyway.
32bit pci @ 33 MHz - I don't know what is standard, my four-five year old sun ultra30 has 64bit@66MHz, but that wasn't standard on x86 just a few months ago.
Modem - Doesn't all of them do?
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Posted by Björn Hagström (195.198.88.2) on 04-Sep-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 5 (Hagge):
"SDRAM - Doesn't matter since the PPC cpu isn't fast enough for ddr anyway (PPC7470 or something might be)."
Not entirly true. Between the memory and the CPU there's a north bridge chip. It handles more than just the CPU's requests for memory resouces. Such as AGP and PCI/read writes from/to memory. DMA writing data directly into RAM when reading from an IDE Device. And other I/O coming from the south bridge. Simply put, it's a gateway between the different parts of a modern computer.
Imagine that the cpu is saturating its FSB by reading from memory at 133Mhz. Using SDRAM this would soak up most available bandwidth to the memory modules. With DDR SDRAM (at 133Mhz effective 266Mhz) there would be "lots" of bandwidth left for other parts to use. Such as streaming a divx movie from a UDMA drive while the CPU is decoding previously read data.
(There's more to it all than what is said above, as some hothead will probably say in a reply. But please understand that sometimes it's not needed to go beyond generalisations to show a point..)
/Björn
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Posted by Chris Roccati (163.162.21.12) on 04-Sep-2002 10:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (anarchic_teapot):
Just a few weeks ago people claimed the AmigaONE was *NOT* a Teron CX at all... Besides, atleast in theory, a real AmigaOne contains some "special" anti-piracy feature not available on this hardware... Or did they change their mind? Not to mention their special custom firmware, as I assume that the teron cx does use a standard OpenFirmware...
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Posted by José (213.58.11.112) on 04-Sep-2002 10:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Thank you so much for your insighfull coment.
Let's all support Microsof, and and Windows, and leave this inferior hardware. Infact we're all using 64 bit PCI cards right now etc....
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 04-Sep-2002 11:31 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Chris Roccati):
I think they only said that AmigaOneG3-SE is a upgraded version / evolution of Teron CX.
I remember reding that teron can handle only DMA66 IDE, while A1.5 can handle DMA100, etc...
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 04-Sep-2002 11:32 GMT
Does MorphOS run on TeronCX?
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Posted by Anonymous (200.179.198.42) on 04-Sep-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (José):
Not all people who own x86s run Windows you know.
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Posted by Anonymous (211.28.96.40) on 04-Sep-2002 12:07 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
> Wow. This brings back so many memories. Do you remember SDRAM DIMMs? Only being >able to fit 2GB of RAM? IDE interfaces that only did UltraATA 66? 32-bit PCI @ >33Mhz ? Modems that plug into a phone socket ?
Yes, I remember. I bought a motherboard with similar specs and a Duron 950 a few months ago. It was very cheap and does what I want. Hardly obselete. Stop being such a prick, if you don't like it then take your negative comments and fuck off.
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Posted by José (213.58.11.33) on 04-Sep-2002 16:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Anonymous):
In practice any PC hardware that is bought today funds Microsoft in some way.
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Posted by Seehund (193.11.228.9) on 04-Sep-2002 16:36 GMT
I've been in contact with Bill Mueller, the guy who designed the Teron CX/"AmigaOne" at Mai, but he asked me to keep it hush until the official announcement.
The hardware design of this "consumer version" Teron CX is identical to the "AmigaOne G3SE". It has the newer VIA 686B southbridge and all PCI slots and the AGP slot are simultaneously usable. Bill Mueller didn't know what firmware will be used (an updated OF, or PPCBoot, or ...) It will be for sale in "a couple of months".
AmigaOS users will of course only be allowed to buy it via Eyetech as the "AmigaOne", with the firmware modifications and bundled with AmigaOS. :(
Just sign it already:
http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/
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Posted by Seehund (193.11.228.9) on 04-Sep-2002 16:51 GMT
In reply to Comment 2 (Samface):
> MAI and Eyetech are partners so I doubt any of the two products will be
> cheaper than the other.
Eyetech is a *customer* of Mai. If you wish to call that a "partnership", well, you shouldn't read so much into corporate marketing material.
Mai's, Eyetech's or any other distributor's pricing are not fixed or regulated. Keep in mind though that Eyetech has a monopoly on supplying this hardware to AmigaOS users, and what that will do for pricing...
> Besides, that board won't run AmigaOS4.
"Besides"? That's the poodle's core here! That's what's outrageous! That's what makes AmigaOS a joke in the public eye when it could have been appreciated for its technical merits!
It is the same board as the one Eyetech are redistributing, it's just not ALLOWED to run AmigaOS, and the firmware modifications are there to prevent it from happening.
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Posted by David Scheibler (217.80.225.155) on 04-Sep-2002 17:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Seehund):
>It will be for sale in "a couple of months".
Why in a couple of months? Didn't Eyetech always say that the hardware is ready
(I thought the delay is because of software issues)?
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Posted by Anonymous (212.185.248.218) on 04-Sep-2002 17:02 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Chris Roccati):
>Just a few weeks ago people claimed the AmigaONE was *NOT* a Teron CX at all...
The fun part is, they (Redhouse and/or Hermans) claimed that it is totally different and we could happily buy TeronCX for $3900 if we don't like the
AmigaOne and their license policy - bah!
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.196.60) on 04-Sep-2002 17:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (priest):
On those Aone-boards Ata speed is directly dependant on what Sounth Bridge is used on thatparticular board.. Currently there is a board on Eyetech sales-list that has price of bit over 400UKP and has older bridge chip (Series A: if I read that info correctly). Thus it has only Ata66..
Note that I have not contacted Eyetech about that board so I can't tell if:
A) Board is HW compatible OS4 (should be)
B) Board is licensed to OS4 use (aka has dongle rom)
C) Price includes OS4 (I'm still waiting my PartyPack - OS4)
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.196.60) on 04-Sep-2002 17:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (David Scheibler):
(quote from his list)
" >It will be for sale in "a couple of months".
Why in a couple of months? Didn't Eyetech always say that the hardware is ready
(I thought the delay is because of software issues)? "
Official expanation is that there is just some minor cleanup on boot code that just has happened to taken over half a year. Remember, that this Aone 1.5 board was declared 100% identical to final production in allmost 6 months ago..
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/addbar.php?Address=/NEWS/AMIGA001.HTM
Quote: "These will be fully functional and tested boards identical to those produced in the first production runs."
So if it had been that simple? Think man, think.. And then ask why those have not been much floating around??? Afterall It was announced being 'ready' on March 15th.
Joanna
PS: IMHO it was extremely idiotic move to put MASK-ROM chips on prototype/beta boards.. Ah well, they learn by doing.. unfortunately looks like none of them has done this kind of stuff before, so it's been mostly the learning and less doing.
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Posted by takemehomegrandma (213.226.83.93) on 04-Sep-2002 18:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (David Scheibler):
> Why in a couple of months? Didn't Eyetech always say that the hardware is ready
Well, the hardware is ready but they have to criple it first, in order to call it "Amiga".
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Posted by priest (130.231.12.210) on 04-Sep-2002 18:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Seehund):
They call it "partnership" by themself.
http://www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease070902_2.html
"Mai Logic Incorporated And Eyetech Group Limited Partner to Capture New Amiga Territory"
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Posted by Seehund (193.11.228.9) on 04-Sep-2002 18:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 (priest):
Yes, so they do. I suppose you missed this in my post, so please allow me to quote myself:
> ... well, you shouldn't read so much into corporate marketing material.
And if you read the press release you refer to, you'll see that it's an announcement of Eyetech being customers of Mai. Eyetech will buy and distribute Teron CX and PX boards, and boards based on those (i.e. this "consumer version" of the Teron CX).
Amiga Inc. is also a "partner" of Sun, Red Hat, Corel, Sharp and Nokia. ;) Just seeing the word "partnership" in some marketing material doesn't tell you anything, it can mean that the "partner" acknowledges the other company's existence by replying to an e-mail order, or it can mean an upcoming merger between those companies. You have to read and understand what the press release or whatever is all about. In this case one company buys a bunch of hardware from another company.
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Posted by strobe (12.225.82.114) on 04-Sep-2002 20:36 GMT
You can buy an Apple motherboard with better specs for less. Not directly from Apple, but I don't really care about that point.
$500 is ridiculous
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk (216.221.81.98) on 05-Sep-2002 01:18 GMT
In reply to Comment 19 (JoannaK):
JoannaK,
Your information is incorrect about the developer boards having MASK ROMS. Final production boards will use OTP devices. The statement about the hardware being ready is correct. Only the firmware will change from the developer boards to the consumer versions.
Adam
PS If the hardware was ready and sold in March, it would have made the wait for OS 4.0 all the more painful....although I do like Linux.
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Posted by Anonymous (156.153.255.195) on 05-Sep-2002 02:45 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (strobe):
The $500 is for a "system" not a motherboard. I assume it will at least include the CPU.
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Posted by Solar (212.149.48.44) on 05-Sep-2002 05:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (José):
> In practice any PC hardware that is bought today funds Microsoft
> in some way.
José, come into the 21st century, will you? That infamous license ran out sometime during the mid-90ies...
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Posted by Anonymous (217.35.4.173) on 05-Sep-2002 08:54 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Adam Kowalczyk):
"Only the firmware will change from the developer boards to the consumer versions."
That completely contradicts what NDA list members were saying a few short months ago, but I'm sure it matches up with Alan's latest pronouncements.
Alan has been lying about the AmigaOne for at least a year, probably a lot more. Not just a few small lies either, lots of big ones. Think about that for a minute and when you're done then consider apologising to JoannaK.
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 05-Sep-2002 10:28 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (strobe):
Would it run OS4 or MOS?
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 05-Sep-2002 10:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
"Alan has been lying about the AmigaOne for at least a year, probably a lot more. Not just a few small
lies either, lots of big ones."
????????????
Would you care to prove it?
I seem to have missed something, because I do not recall any lies.
Links to the lies, please.
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.196.60) on 05-Sep-2002 11:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 24 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Ps: dear Anonymous.. No need to worry.. I have taken much worse during this summer.. It was kinda ugly (and personal) attact toward me on Amiga-one mailing list before Alan jumped out and posted that latest info (that one was even copied to Ann.lu).
"Your information is incorrect about the developer boards having MASK ROMS. Final production boards will use OTP devices."
Sorry to ask stupid question.. How come off-the-shelf OTP-Prom is goig to stop cloning? This is supposed to be copy protection device (And weak one if someone ever askes me), nothing more. Anyone can purchase 1000 of those and clone existing proms with simple prommer. Only chanse is to use propietary-bonded Mask-rom, those are much more difficult to make on small quantities and without raising attention.
Anyhow.. whatever it is... it's been way too long. Whatever those roms are, they should be fixed months ago.
"The statement about the hardware being ready is correct. Only the firmware will change from the developer boards to the consumer versions. "
You are having one? If so, please check more closely, you may well be surpriced for few details there.
If not, how do you know? I happen to reached my conclusions cause I work on quite similar stuff (embedded PPC motorolas, HW-design, testeing etc..) and I do know about HW design and testing.. Question is do you know or do you just belive something that has been told to you?
" PS If the hardware was ready and sold in March, it would have made the wait for OS 4.0 all the more painful....although I do like Linux."
IF.. a big if... Assuming it's fully working as specified there could have been quite many wannabeusers for Linux and even MOS (assuming It really has been ported?) while waiting this OS4 to arrive.
I think they have now accepted this as they are selling some of those boards on their site. I have not tried to purchase one, so I can't tell if they are actually delivering, but at least A-one board is on Eyetech order page.
Joanna
PS: I just realized horrible idea last night.. there actually IS a part in this soap-opera who actually has something to Gain of all this Fighting and Legalese.. IF AmigaInc ever goes down due lack of funds (and IMHO it's quite predictable result of having too much lawsuits) who is going to get full rights to OS4? ... My best bet it Hyperion (due their ongoing development deal).. And when I thought who has been the Loudmouth behind this 'Stolen code' issue that has been poisoned entire community and caused numerous battles, quess how came atop of my list?
Am I finally gone bonkers or just hallusinating? I need your honest feedback on this one... At least it could explain few things that has been happened.
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.196.60) on 05-Sep-2002 11:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (priest):
Whatever you want :)
Ok.. it's most likely not licensed to use OS4 (that licensed version of board is supposed to be sold As Amiga one) so you can't want OS4 with it. So you have much easier time to start using Linux of MOS(*) if you buy that motherboard...
Of course.. Running OS4 on it (if it's identical to A-one but without that Key-rom) is a sort of mental exersise. I'm not sure who challeinging it might be, and honestly.. I'm too fed-up (due my work) to do any PPC-low level stuff on my free time.
(*) I really don't know if MOS will ever be available to it and if it does, then what kind of license and price it will have. So at least now I recommend using Linux with that board.
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Posted by Anonymous (66.67.97.55) on 05-Sep-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Seehund):
Boy, you two must be best buds...
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Posted by Anonymous (217.35.4.173) on 05-Sep-2002 12:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 29 (priest):
"I seem to have missed something, because I do not recall any lies."
Not even this one? (biggest of all)
"Manufacture of production AmigaOne 1200 boards will now start in mid September"
When he wrote that Alan had discontinued all work on the A1 1200. His apologists say the truth would have been too much for Amigans, I say anything less is too little. I wanted to provide a link for the quote, but Alan has AFAICT removed that particular bit of history from the Eyetech web site.
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Posted by Anonymous (200.164.56.24) on 05-Sep-2002 15:01 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
"Spot The Eyetech Lie" is even more fun than "Spot The AInc Lie", since Eyetech doesn't do as many "announcements".
How's this for starters: http://web.archive.org/web/20010609210118/www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/timeframe.php
Archived on JULY 22, 2001!
"The AmigaOne is progressing to schedule, with AmigaOne 1200 boards being released to developers within a few weeks."
"May 2001
* Final costings and end-user pricing set.
* Volume production / trade distribution / end user shipping."
This "AmigaOne" was still going to run "AmigaDE" developed by AInc:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010609203701/www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/information.php
ROTFLMAO! :-D
How about today's lies, half-truths and twisted descriptions of reality from today's Lie-tech site:
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/300502update.php:
"This is in effect a 600Mhz G3 Amiga accelerator ..."
"In fact you can regard the AmigaOneG3-SE as a high performance accelerator that comes with a free, built in computer!"
"a PCI card interface will be available from Escena"
"decided to bundle OS4 directly with the boards which we ship to dealers, mainly to reduce shipping and handling costs - and that has resulted in a small overall price reduction"
"built-in hardware protection to keep OS4 piracy to a minimum, and this has been built into the AmigaOneG3-SE from the outset"
"The 600Mhz 750CXe cpu that is shipped with it is effectively that fastest G3 cpu generally available"
"*Our* engineers"
"*we* have borrowed the latest cpu socket technology from *Apple* in the form of the purpose-designed 'Megarray' socket"
"*we* can make low cost, tightly coupled cpu modules"
"unless you are Apple, G4 cpu's are on very tight allocation"
"We anticipate a high private resale value of used AmigaOneG3-SE boards"
"low cost AmigaOneG3-SE"
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/150302update.php:
"The AmigaOneG3-SE is now production ready"
"orders for discounted developer/dealer/OS4 beta-tester boards/systems are now being taken (but only until by midnight on Sunday 24th March GMT 2002) for delivery in April. This closing date is necessary so that we can assess the volume required" (What, no T-shirts/club memberships needed? :D)
"the consumer release of OS4, probably in May 2002."
"The developer/dealer boards and (at least) the first run of production boards will be shipped with soldered-on G3 PPC CPU's running at 600 MHz which will give a remarkable speed increase over any existing G2 (Blizzard/Cyberstorm) PPC accelerators for the Amiga." (No shit, Brainiac! Why not compare it to a 7MHz 68000, that would look even better, now that you're ignoring modern hardware anyway.)
"Soldering the CPU in place - rather than using BGA sockets or chip carriers - allows us to keep the reliability very high and the costs as low as possible." (This is the same cunt speaking as the one dismissing people mentioning a socket like the MEG-Array 300, and later when he discovers the Teron PX claims to have 'borrowed' this technology from Apple...)
"Things were going nicely on the original A1 design until May/June"
"According to our engineers DDR memory doesn't gain anything in help PPC board design"
"4 x PCI slots + 1 x AGP slot on 2 buses" (Or rather, 3 PCI slots on one bus and 1 PCI and 1 AGP2x slot on one shared bus...)
"Open firmware-compatible BIOS"
"Real time clock" (Not a lie, but damn funny to use as filler in a feature list. Why not mention that the PCB is green too? Yeah GREEN! Wow!)
"the first series of boards will use a 600 MHz G3 CPU and will come with this soldered in place, thereby keeping the costs as low as possible. As G4's fall in price/become more available we may also offer a soldered in place G4 CPU option as well"
"If we can engineer the costs ..." (Yeah, it'd be a damn shame if you couldn't even engineer COSTS!)
"hardly anyone ever changes the CPU to improve the computer - they nearly always have to buy a (at least) a new motherboard as well. We're just being upfront about it!" (You're being a sleazy asshole who doesn't have the guts / are too proud to admit that the design of the stuff you're distributing is totally out of your control)
"To keep prices down and quality up we are having the boards manufactured in the Far East." (No, 'you' aren't having anything manufactured, you're lucky Mai told you where the stuff is made, but as long as you don't have anything to do with it I spose things are just fine)
"a firmware update ROM. This is (obviously) to prevent OS4 piracy" (I hear there are still people swallowing that shit?)
"Is the AmigaOneG3-SE the same as the MAI Teron Cx? No." (Ooooh, how embarrassing!)
"We therefore asked them if they could recommend a design company who was familiar with using the Articia S in PPC motherboard design. They recommended the same (Far Eastern) company that designed their Teron Cx evaluation board." (A.k.a. Bill Mueller @ the U.S. company Mai!!! There's not even any need to lie about this, yet everyone with half a brain knew already back then that he was lying, and it sure as fuck would come back and bite him in the ass. Why the hell did he lie? Did he think people would care about whether company X or Eyetech did the boards they're redistributing? Well, some seem to care about labels and shit, but I mean SANE people. Why Alan, why...)
"The new Eyetech AmigaOne design obviously shares a lot of commonality with the Teron Cx board, but more than a cursory glance at the specifications (ATA speed, integrated ethernet, custom firmware, number of active PCI/AGP slots etc)" (He just won't stop now...)
"the Teron Cx evaluation board. It costs $3900, misses many features of the AmigaOneG3-SE" (It cost $300 w/o CPU and w/o developer support, and why does he compare the "final" A1G3SE/TeronCX with the "evaluation"/"developer" version of the TeronCX/A1?)
"and won't run OS4." (That's not a hardware feature, shithead.)
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/011101update.php (November 2001, the A1-1200/4000 were still being lied about):
"No, we're sorry but the AmigaOne wont be on sale until the New Year."
"Amiga Inc, although not a dot.com company themselves" (ROTFL!)
"Amiga's future is now looking very positive." (LOL! :DDDDDDDD)
"It is true that we had some early setbacks with the hardware development. This was mainly with the AmigaOne's PCB layout, which was not strictly speaking within Escena's field of expertise," (Smart move to make yourself dependent on this. Go engineer some costs will ya!)
"However in May this year, although some work had already started on OS4.0 it became clear that the Amiga Inc's had other priorities ... we, Eyetech, effectively suspended the development of the AmigaOne pending a resolution of the OS4.0 developments." (But your customers were to know that everything was A-OK, on schedule, fine and dandy.)
"Hyperion. This allows the development of OS4.0 to start immediately - and at no upfront cost to Amiga Inc - whilst allowing them to build on the work done in OS4.0 ..." (A.k.a. FROM SCRATCH, fucker. And where do you mention that the Escena A1s are long scrapped?)
"now working flat out once more to ensure that OS4.0 and the AmigaOne can now be launched in tandem early in the New Year.
Thank you all for your patience and understanding."
Fuck you too.
http://www.eyetech.co.uk/amigaone/introduction.php:
"The IBM/Motorola PPC CPU's deliver far more througput per clock MHz than an x86 cpu" (...if you insist on comparing a PPC7450 with a 286)
"the new AmigaOneG3-SE is anticipated to deliver levels of user responsiveness far greater than that of equivalently priced Wintel or Macintosh computers." (The OS, fucker, the OS. Not the hardware you're flogging.)
"AmigaOneG3-SE can also run PPC Linux" (That's about as meaningful to say as 'this Dell crate can also run Windows'. Big whooping feature, idiot.)
"The AmigaOneG3-SE can optionally connect - via a PCI bridge card - to an Amiga motherboard for access to Classic Amiga chipset hardware." (Just like any PCI-equipped hardware would, if there only were such a PCI card...)
Damn, I don't have the time to go through that site, every second sentence is pathetic. Don't even get me started on the A1 mailing list. Not only do we have the compulsory lying, but he also truly shows what a socially inept, uneducated and incompetent asshole he is. Some samples have been posted to ANN already I believe.
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Posted by priest (130.231.12.210) on 05-Sep-2002 16:43 GMT
In reply to Comment 33 (Anonymous):
Ok... that might be sufficient as a lie... if the A1 development was already halted at that time.
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Posted by priest (130.231.12.210) on 05-Sep-2002 16:55 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
Most of those quotes are definitely not lies, not even half truths.
The childishness of this Mr Anonymous does not require further comments...
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Posted by Kronos (217.0.50.178) on 05-Sep-2002 17:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 36 (priest):
Well but none of the quotes turned into reality either, so
it's your choice: Lies or proof of incompetence ?
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Posted by MonkeyOS (209.86.191.170) on 05-Sep-2002 17:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
STFU you porcupine raping sh*thead! You have your head so far up your ass, you need to fart to get air.
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Posted by Andrew Deacon (194.222.8.241) on 05-Sep-2002 17:50 GMT
For God's sake people why all this arguing over what the A1 is?
The facts are easy enough to ascertain:-
1. Eyetech needed a quick solution
2. The Teron CX evaluation board was close to what Eyetech required
3. Eyetech asked for some modifications.
4. Mai said no problem as long as there's a reasonable production run at the end
of the day.
5. A limited no. of developer boards are produced.
6. Eyetech/Hyperion announce that in order to stop piracy the Rom will be
modified.
7. Since Eyetech are only really interested in the Amiga market it's only
natural that Mai will produce "consumer" Teron CX boards for other markets.
The simple fact is that MAI would never have bothered with a "consumer" version
of the Teron CX if Eyetech hadn't approched them.
So stop whining, most of you just have your own pathetic agenda's and will
criticise Eyetech/Hyperion whatever they do.
I agree that Eyetech could have been more open about where they sourced the A1
but at the end of the day as long as I get a new Amiga , I don't give a f**k.
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Posted by Adam Kowalczyk (216.221.81.99) on 05-Sep-2002 19:48 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 (Anonymous):
"Think about that for a minute and when you're done then consider apologising to JoannaK"
Apologize for what? That she was incorrect? I have an AmigaOne board that has a FLASH chip and not a MASK ROM. Second, there are no "hardware" changes from the developer board to the consumer board. The firmware will be PPCBoot and not the Softex firmware.
I will not apologize for pointing out the truth.
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Posted by JoannaK (213.130.196.60) on 05-Sep-2002 22:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 40 (Adam Kowalczyk):
Just a quick question.. Have you received new board lately? I know this may not be something you might have right to answer, but I know for sure that those older ones definitely were not fully identical to publicly specsed production boards due certain issues (not here!). If they are having those full-featured final boards finished it's a good news, especially if they have that new bootcode too. :)
But having a Flashed-bootloader ... It's definitely against all info previously given.. Ah well, these things change so fast and often. So it's nothing new people give conflicting info.
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Posted by priest (192.100.124.218) on 06-Sep-2002 07:04 GMT
In reply to Comment 37 (Kronos):
Read the post 34.
(another child could make just as silly list out of MOS/pesasos promises...)
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Posted by vic (213.46.246.92) on 07-Sep-2002 12:24 GMT
In reply to Comment 34 (Anonymous):
You wrote:
> "4 x PCI slots + 1 x AGP slot on 2 buses" (Or rather, 3 PCI slots
> on one bus and 1 PCI and 1 AGP2x slot on one shared bus...)
It will surprise you, mr. smartass, but your guest is wrong...
> "Is the AmigaOneG3-SE the same as the MAI Teron Cx? No." (Ooooh, how
> embarrassing!)
It is indeed true. Lets see why...
> and why does he compare the "final" A1G3SE/TeronCX with the "evaluation"/
> "developer" version of the TeronCX/A1?)
You should have thought about it a bit more, before staring showing your stupidity. Well, the difference in the first quote above is just the difference between the _original_ TeronCX, and the "consumer version" of it (they could have gave it a little different name), or A1SE-G3.
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Posted by Anonymous (217.237.159.7) on 08-Sep-2002 00:34 GMT
In reply to Comment 43 (vic):
>It will surprise you, mr. smartass, but your guest is wrong...
No, your guest (?) is wrong according to the consumer TeronCX specs:
PCI Bus 0
• Three 33MHz 32-bit PCI slots on board
AGP/PCI Bus 1
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