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[News] Mac On Linux can run MACOS XANN.lu
Posted on 08-Sep-2002 16:05 GMT by Christophe Decanini17 comments
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Here are news from the MOL website. It means that we will be able to run MACOS X (over linux) on the AmigaOne or Pegasos. It strengthens these platforms that can run AmigaOS or MorphOS, various versions of Linux, various BSD OS and MACOS X.
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 1 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by kamelito on 08-Sep-2002 15:15 GMT
Hi
If a coder or a group of coders could port MOL to AmigaOS to avoid the needs of Linux it would be the killer apps!
Any volunteers ? ;)
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Posted by corpse on 08-Sep-2002 15:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (kamelito):
Its a big project .... Anyone want to get a team together .. Best idea would be to improve GeekGadgets and work from that.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Sep-2002 16:04 GMT
Yes having OSX in a window, other screen would better but MOL is better than nothing.
At least noone can say "I did not buy the new Amiga because I could not open MS Word documents". OSX will have Openoffice soon. Let's hope for a port on AmigaOS / MorphOS.
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Posted by Don Cox on 08-Sep-2002 16:06 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (kamelito):
Would it then run at the same time as AmigaOS, like Fusion on 68k, so
that files can be swapped?
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 5 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Christophe Decanini on 08-Sep-2002 16:07 GMT
And for the people that would like to have a custom built PPC machine to run OSX AmigaOne/Pegasos may be the solution.
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 6 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 08-Sep-2002 18:40 GMT
Sometimes I can't tell if you guys are being sarcastic... Don? :)
Interesting to note that the A1- and Apple licensing terms- are mentioned in the FAQ. http://www.maconlinux.org/faq.html
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 7 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by coldfire on 08-Sep-2002 19:16 GMT
BAH!
I'd much prefer to see Amiga OS4 on Apple hardware. Or Pegasos....or CSPPC....or on any damn thing.
coldfire
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 8 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 08-Sep-2002 19:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
No, not being sarcastic. I haven`t touched Linux for over a year, and
I know nothing at all about Mac-on-Linux. I was wondering if it would
work (if ported) in the same way as EMPLANT and Fusion - the Mac
running as one screen amongst the other Amiga screens.
With Fusion, the Mac virtual hard drive can be mounted as an Amiga
drive, and accessed through DOpus etc. Would that apply to a ported
Mac-on-Linux?
How long before Apple set up the Mac hardware as a dongle for their
OS?
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Posted by Kronos on 08-Sep-2002 19:47 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
>How long before Apple set up the Mac hardware
>as a dongle for their OS?
So long until they see A1/Pegasos as a threat or till hell freezes over !
They tried that when the killed the clones, and normally OSX can only be
run on newer Mac by Apple themselfes. Darwin is open-source and that makes
it a bit harder for Apple, and aslong as it is only patched to a few
clones (both official and unofficial ones) and doesn't really hurt their
sales...
G3s are no threat, and I doubt OSX would be much fun on them, but if bPlan
or Eyetech/MAI manage to get uptodate G4s with a competetiv price out, and
sell them in large number (>10k) to Mac-users ..... nah won't happen ;-(
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Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz on 09-Sep-2002 03:12 GMT
In reply to Comment 8 (Don Cox):
Don Cox said,
>No, not being sarcastic. I haven`t touched Linux for over a year, and
>I know nothing at all about Mac-on-Linux. I was wondering if it would
>work (if ported) in the same way as EMPLANT and Fusion - the Mac
>running as one screen amongst the other Amiga screens.
I'm sure someone like Ole-Egil would be more familiar, but from looking at the site, it's the PowerPC equivalent of VMWare- a software VM that takes advantage of hardware's support for self-virtualization to show some semblence of reasonable speed. I'd imagine it'd be a bit of a dog compared to running native, but it's hard to say- how *did* the Amiga Mac emulators of days past manage to run so fast, anyway? (I finally figured out what Petunia means by 'task-based' emulation... did any old emulators manage to modify exec on the fly, perhaps?)
Anyhow, as such, it's one window on X11, just like any other process presenting an X GUI, and that output could be made to fill a virtual desktop, and presumably an Amiga screen were it ported, buuut.. [See below.]
>With Fusion, the Mac virtual hard drive can be mounted as an Amiga
>drive, and accessed through DOpus etc. Would that apply to a ported
>Mac-on-Linux?
Looks like it runs off 'real' Mac partitions, but has support for networking, which should open up a number of possibilities for sharing on the loopback subnet. Of course, Linux might also have native support for HFS/+, I've no clue there as a BSD user.
However... as I was getting ready to say above, it looks to me like 90% of everything- the graphics routines, drivers/virtualizations, and so on would be fairly specific to Linux. I only have a layman's appreciation of the issues involved, but it seems like a 'port' would probably require a lot of modification... enough that it wouldn't be a port, but a separate project. The MOL sources would be a great *reference* - and a good excuse to keep a MacOnAmiga project GPLed - but I imagine any attempt to define an Amiga port in patchsets would require more code in patches than would actually be reused from the base project. That's said from 'common sense;' I can't seem to get to their BitKeeper equivalent of CVSWeb for a cursory glance. ( http://mol.bkserver.net )
>How long before Apple set up the Mac hardware as a dongle for their
>OS?
Hmm.. I'd like to say "It isn't?," but they've had their years of glasnost after slamming the lid on clones. A better question would be whether they're going to try again- with the new OS so attractive, and the 'Marklar' port supposedly lurking internally... you have to wonder if Apple might want a way out of forcing another architecture switch. By forcing the look'n'feel hand on their hardware (with more success than they've had in software; remember when blue'n'white x86s were successfully verboten?), they're guaranteed some monopoly on style, and anything that drives PowerPC prices is a good thing for them. I'd look out for a crackdown on anyone daring to sell an OS X preload on non-Macs, but perhaps a shrinkwrapped version 3 years down the line if commodity PowerPC 'proves itself' without their help. People are running System 9 on their clones without trouble- http://www.macaddict.com/resources/faq/29077.html - Apple doesn't punish their end-users that often.
Of course, if that proved anything, a lot rides on [the Segway of] Jobs' next mood swing.
--
Funnily enough, someone I know IRCwards who's been an LKML follower for ages had some words to say on why OS X took the road it did... As a secondhand story, it loses a lot of detail, but it comes down to Apple being interested in Linux- hence the backing of mkLinux- but Linus not being interested in Apple. Was news to me, at least, not having followed that end of things... X probably wouldn't look much different no matter the underlying kernel, but it would've been 'interesting' to see Apple navigate under the GPL.
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 11 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Ole-Egil on 09-Sep-2002 03:46 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Joe "Floid" Kanowitz):
I've got MOL installed, but haven't got a Mac partition to test it with. And for some reason it just wasn't much of a priority. I have a PPC mac in Trondheim I could grab a copy of the disk from, but since I haven't had time to go there for a while, and won't be visiting there until almost 3 weeks from now...
But since it works under Linux why bother? There's so many reasons to keep a Linux partition around ;-) (I do almost 100% of my work under Linux here. Got XP installed, but have only ever booted it up to play with an install CD for a gigabit switch once. Turned out I could have stayed in Linux, really ;-))
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Posted by Don Cox on 09-Sep-2002 07:50 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Ole-Egil):
"But since it works under Linux why bother? There's so many reasons to keep a Linux partition around ;-)
(I do almost 100% of my work under Linux here. Got XP installed, but have only ever booted it up to play
with an install CD for a gigabit switch once. Turned out I could have
stayed in Linux, really ;-))"
You obviously like Linux. I don't. Using Linux would be just work so
far as I'm concerned.
I would prefer my Amigas to be just Amigas, with no other OS on the
machine. However, I did find EMPLANT/Fusion useful for running a
couple of programs, so something like that would be handy on a new
Amiga. Most of the high status Mac programs are much too expensive to
buy, though.
Mac On Linux can run MACOS X : Comment 13 of 17ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 09-Sep-2002 11:41 GMT
Surely the Amiga community, so concious of licensing and legalities of software (e.g. issues with MorphOS and running AmigaOS 4 on Pegasos), would never consider running MacOS on their Amiga machines since it breaks Apple's EULA?
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 09-Sep-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 13 (Anonymous):
Well, I guess that the EULA was already broken with shapeshifter, fusion / ifusion / basilik etc ...
Same goes with all emulators I guess.
As joe user I don't think it is really a problem if you accept to have no support at all from Apple. After all they still get the money for the OS so I would not considerate it as piracy.
For Eyetech ? Thendic I dont think they can sell their PPC boards advertising OSX usage.
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Posted by José on 09-Sep-2002 13:45 GMT
This is way cool, and can benefit the PPC market. Finally costum built PPC machines at affordable price:)
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Posted by strobe on 09-Sep-2002 18:43 GMT
Even if you pay $120 for OS X it's still piracy. Apple subsidizes OS development with hardware sales. If their customers bought CHRP boards instead of Apple hardware, they would go bankrupt in no time.
Anyway you don't have to agree with the EULA, just don't use their software. I consider that fair! They didn't write this software for you, if you want write something better than OS X and use that but don't pretend you have a right to use somebody else's work in a manner which it was strictly disallowed for economic reasons. Go ahead and offer Apple $120 for the privilege, they would laugh in your face.
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Posted by Christophe Decanini on 11-Sep-2002 23:03 GMT
In reply to Comment 16 (strobe):
Do you honestly think that all Windows users agree with the EULA ?
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