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[News] Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002ANN.lu
Posted on 17-Sep-2002 12:31 GMT by Wojtek Kozlowski29 comments
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Photos from the ELBOX presentation at O.A.S.E. 2002 in Graz are placed in NEWS | Tradeshows & Events | O.A.S.E. 2002.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 1 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 11:08 GMT
That's all very nice, but so far there is no mention of the Shark PPC card anywhere.
With AmigaOne/Pegasos Now doing the rounds at various computer shows and indeed both having a high profile at the World of Amiga Southeast Show, Elbox are strangely silent on their Shark PPC.
Personally, we would love to have Elbox attend WOASE, but so far we haven`t had a response from them. :-(
Something we said?
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 2 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Don Cox on 17-Sep-2002 11:13 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
It would be an expensive trip for them.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 3 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Sep-2002 11:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 1 (Mikey C):
SharkPPC need an OS to work.
AmigaOS4 should have been this OS. But, some weeks ago, Elbox (with some Hyperion confirmations) said that the last AmigaOS4 specifications are not compatible with the Elbox SharpPPC card.
So, SharkPPC is dead.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 4 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 11:37 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Ouch! So what you are saying is that if you have brought, or are thinking of buying a Mediator product, you have effectively come to a dead end.
Mediator owners are now stuck with 68k and OS3.9.
Of course, you could just be trolling.
MIkey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 5 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Sep-2002 11:38 GMT
Elbox :
Harald Kanning napisa³(a):
>
> AGP 4X!?? Now i'm convinced, i'll buy an AmigaONE AND a SharkPPC+.
> But one thing wonders me, if the SharkPPC is supposed to run the AmigaONE
> version of AmigaOS4 without modifications, then your northbridge has to be
> compatible with the MAI northbridge or the AmigaONE architecture in general?
To ensure compatibility of the operating system, the compatibility of the nothbridge chips is not necessary.
BIOS in the computer's board (card) FLASH is responsible for ensuring work of the operating system in various hardware configurations based on the same processor.
During the computer's startup, BIOS initialises hardware, that is configures northbrige, southbridge, memory chips and the installed PCI and AGP cards. (This is done similarly to configuration of PCI cards during the first start of the pci.library in Mediator systems.)
The operating system referring to particular devices is not looking for physical addresses for their configuration.
There is no need to adjust the AmigaOS system prepared with Teron CX/PX boards to work with the SharkPPC(+) cards. Ensuring compatibility of hardware initialistion on the BIOS level will do.
Exactly the same situation is in the PC board market. It's hard to imagine motherboard producers sending every new PC board type to Bill Gates to make modifications in the Windows system :))
Best regards, Darek Dulian
Answer of Ben Hermans :
I'm sorry but this is not how it works.
Even if the Bios initialises the hardware, things like device drivers and adaptation of the HAL(timerchip, IRQ mappings etc.) need to be carried out.
Especially if one considers that the SharkPPC will be located on a PCI bus.
Without detailed specifications of the hardware and a prototype we won't be seeing OS 4 on the Shark PPC.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 6 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Alan on 17-Sep-2002 11:38 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
Oh, you've mixed things up, Elbox said on the contrary, that OS4 for AmigaOne will be practically ready for SharkPPC.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 7 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 17-Sep-2002 11:41 GMT
In reply to Comment 6 (Alan):
Read Comment 5 ;)
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 8 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 11:56 GMT
In reply to Comment 7 (Anonymous):
So WHO is right????????
Mikey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 9 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by David on 17-Sep-2002 12:12 GMT
Look at photo 6!
Spider USB 2.0 is THE thing I want to have.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 10 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 12:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 9 (David):
Yes, but what use is it without PPC and AOS4.0?
Mikey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 11 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Sep-2002 12:26 GMT
In reply to Comment 10 (Mikey C):
Yes, you're right. No use at all. Completely and utterly useless! I mean, who wants to use USB webcams, hard disks, Zip drives, mice, scanners, printers and keyboards with their OS3.9 boxes?
err... me?
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 12 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 12:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Peter Gordon):
You got me wrong.
What I mean to say is that if you are going to spend all that money on hardware, you may as well wait until A1 or Pegasos are released and then buy all that stuff.
C'mon 68k is dead. OS3.9 is dead, sure there isn`t anything better atm, but like almost everyone else here, I am not spending another penny on my Amiga until the PPC generation arrives. (hopefully not long now)
My point is, why spend money on Mediator products, "IF" it won`t be upgradable to PPC?
Mikey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 13 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Schober on 17-Sep-2002 13:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 3 (Anonymous):
>So, SharkPPC is dead.
I do not know where you got that information from.
Elbox had a SharkPPC at the show, though, it does't make
sence to talk about that here. It also wasn't "shown",
but Mr. Bilek did show it on request.
In talks it was sure, that Elbox will figure out how to
handle the OS4 support when its finished and running
on the One, since this should be very easy to adopt and is the
philosophie of Elbox to release / show products, when they are
working.
BTW: The A3000D tower is nice, first of the production run ever,
signed with Elbox, Michael Böhmer, Chris Hodges and the MOS guys.
An it's now mine ;) It will house the A3000 SerNo 13 soon ;)
regards
Jürgen
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 14 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Schober on 17-Sep-2002 13:20 GMT
In reply to Comment 11 (Peter Gordon):
Let me say, that USB is one of the most encuraging things
for the Amiga since a long. Due to the fact all things connected
are fully hot plugable a well integrated into the Amiga system,
that gives you _A LOT_ of value. Even keyboards and mice (e.g. this
complete new wireless stuff) alone is worth it.
Believe me, we had a big focus on USB. And all attendends liked it very much.
lg
Jürgen
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 15 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 13:30 GMT
In reply to Comment 14 (Jürgen Schober):
That's very good to hear, I'm glad that Shark PPC is not dead.
Now then, can Elbox please come to WOASE? :-)
Pretty please, with sugar on it. :-)
Mikey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 16 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Sep-2002 13:32 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Mikey C):
So when AmigaOS 4 comes out, everyone should stop using 3.9? Burn their CDs? Buy an AmigaONE and throw out their A4000s?
Should I have stopped using my A500, even though I like programming for OCS/68000?
Damn it! Why didn't anyone tell me?!
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 17 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Sep-2002 13:36 GMT
In reply to Comment 12 (Mikey C):
Also:
"My point is, why spend money on Mediator products, "IF" it won`t be upgradable to PPC?"
OS4 runs on Cyberstorm PPC cards. It is ALREADY upgradable to PPC.
Also, you claim "68k is dead", and "OS3.9 is dead". Thats laughable. The Amiga generally, including OS4, is and will be dead, relatively speaking. A microdot on a microdot on the sphere of computing.
Its a hobby machine. I still use my A4000, my A500 and even my C64.
Even if I never got a PPC, i'd still quite like to have the option to use USB stuff with my Amiga.
So you're not spending another penny on your Amiga until OS4/AmigaONE? Well, good for you, but that doesn't make me mad for supporting Amiga hardware providers with solutions they are offering NOW.
Don't tell me how to spend MY money!
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 18 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Mikey C on 17-Sep-2002 13:59 GMT
In reply to Comment 17 (Peter Gordon):
Spend YOUR money anyway you want.
I was merely refering to the vast number of Amiga users (hmm vast and Amiga users not sure if that equates) whom I have spoken to and they like me are not spending anymore money on upgrades for our Machines.
As to the previous point, about OS3.9 being obsolete, well obviously of course it isn't in current Amiga terms and yes it is in comparison to other OS's.
Obviously a lot of people (perhaps myself included) will most likely keep their old "classic" Amigas for quite some time.
However, I am sure that because AOS4.0 will look and feel much more like OS3.9 (only faster) the classic machine will be used less and less as time goes on.
Of course with the Shark PPC, many people will be interested in keeping their existing Amigas going for some time yet - and good for them too, after all it's THEIR choice.
I was only voicing my opinion, It's not like I am laying down a law. - Sheesh!
Mikey C
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 19 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Peter Gordon on 17-Sep-2002 14:08 GMT
In reply to Comment 18 (Mikey C):
"I was only voicing my opinion, It's not like I am laying down a law. - Sheesh!"
Yeah, but some guy said he wanted a Spider USB card for his Amiga, and you acted like that was a really stupid thing to do! "Yes, but what use is it without PPC and AOS4.0?", "C'mon 68k is dead. OS3.9 is dead". To me it sounded like you were implying that buying anything to use with OS3.9 is really dumb.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 20 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Henning Nielsen Lund [Denmark] on 17-Sep-2002 18:10 GMT
In reply to Comment 15 (Mikey C):
Try those two links:
SharkPPC G3/G4
http://buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=350S1G&sid=65550fb4
SharkPPC+ G3/G4
http://buy.elbox.com/cgibin/shop?info=330SP1G&sid=65550fb4
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 21 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 17-Sep-2002 18:43 GMT
Am I missing something ? Is Spider just a USB PCI card targeted at the Mediator ? If so, what's wrong with all the other USB PCI cards out there and why can't Amiga drivers be written for them ?
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 22 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Jürgen Schober on 17-Sep-2002 20:00 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 ([JC]):
> Is Spider just a USB PCI card targeted at the Mediator ?
> If so, what's wrong with all the other USB PCI cards out there and
> why can't Amiga drivers be written for them ?
Can't answer that exactly. Maybe Elbox can answer this. But OTOH
you can be sure that the card will work.
The good thing is, that Chris Hodges and Mr. Binek from Elbox were
talking about Poseidon & PCI & Spider. So don't ask me what the
result was. I think that is some sort of "saving of investment" for
both sides. Elbox writes the drivers, Chris should get some money
from registering the Poseidon. So, this is understandable...
And it also saves us dealers a penny. And I think all parties
try to deliver a product for a reasonable price. I guess
the streetprice should be between 60,- and 90,- Euros. (depends
on tax etc ?)
regards
Jürgen
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 23 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by StormLord on 17-Sep-2002 20:16 GMT
In reply to Comment 21 ([JC]):
>>>>Am I missing something ? Is Spider just a USB PCI card targeted at >>>>the Mediator ? If so, what's wrong with all the other USB PCI cards >>>>>out there and why can't Amiga drivers be written for them ?
Spider it may be (don't know I'm assuming) JUST a PC usb card. But elbox want to make some money for their work of developing a driver, 'cause there are not so many people that feel nice paying for something other platforms have for free (drivers). so I belive its an elbox "trick". until someone find what chipset is used on this card and try some PC cards with this chip.....
I preffer honest words but from the other side if this is the case I give elbox a little right ... they have to be paid for their work...
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 24 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Alkis Tsapanidis on 17-Sep-2002 20:23 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (StormLord):
ANY OHCI chipset would do, afaik.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 25 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Frederik Yssing on 17-Sep-2002 20:44 GMT
Well there are still the possibilty of using OS4.0 on a BlizzardPPC card.
So in theory you can use OS4.0 with the mediator..
But this seems like a silly solution.. and a rather expensive one I might add.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 26 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Jon on 18-Sep-2002 07:25 GMT
In reply to Comment 25 (Frederik Yssing):
It's not silly for those of us who already got the equipment! AFAIK, they are planning the support..
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 27 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by [JC] on 18-Sep-2002 10:17 GMT
In reply to Comment 23 (StormLord):
It's still stupid. As soon as the driver SDK comes out (or as soon as someone figures it out by reverse engineering), someones just going to write UHCI and OHCI compliant drivers (probably by borrowing from linux/bsd's code). Then the people who bought Elbox's product are going to be pissed when they realise they've been conned.
Elbox would be far better off selling just the driver, perhaps with a licence key, and then letting people use off-the-shelf PCI hardware.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 28 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 12:09 GMT
In reply to Comment 27 ([JC]):
> It's still stupid. As soon as the driver SDK comes out
> (or as soon as someone figures it out by reverse engineering),
> someones just going to write UHCI and OHCI compliant drivers
> (probably by borrowing from linux/bsd's code). Then the people
> who bought Elbox's product are going to be pissed when they
> realise they've been conned.
You are far off the ground. So if I get a pirate driver, it's ok,
and when I buy legal products, I should feel conned. Be serious.
> Elbox would be far better off selling just the driver, perhaps
> with a licence key, and then letting people use off-the- shelf
> PCI hardware.
Better for whom? Where should you then find help if a random USB
card does not work with such a generic driver?
From Elbox or from the card's producer?
Maybe Elbox do not want to have problems with bad-working or old USB1.1
cards, which would happen if anybody wants to get just any USB card.
Now you get a USB2.0 card which will sure work with its USB drivers.
I am all for buying a fully-supported Spider from Elbox.
Elbox photos from O.A.S.E. 2002 : Comment 29 of 29ANN.lu
Posted by Anonymous on 18-Sep-2002 16:14 GMT
In reply to Comment 28 (Anonymous):
Sure, you play their game or you are labelled illegal...
Of course, it's only for quality assurance and the good of the customer...
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